Episode 268 Discussion: 10th May 2013 - Page 7

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Posted: 12 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

Updated on page 1 ...Very different take from everyone else today...maybe I am overreaching...



Liked your view. Very positive and possible one.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: war_is_peace


i loved ur take...but,
@bold: i disagree on this...trust,faith is a sensitive issue and it cannot be questioned and changed by going against the belief of that person...and whatever rk thinks cannot be seen as assumptions coz they aren't assumptions...the are incidents in his life which have changed his way of thinking..as u say..conditioned his mind...if he is made to fail again and again in his assumptions(i wudnt call it so...so i'll call it faith) then the whole point that he will ever come out of it is dicey...
this is how it goes...
i believe in god n have faith that he'll do good >> someday a close one falls ill > i pray > but, my close one passes away>> i loose faith in god...i'll say he has absolutely no power>> now if anyone tells me have faith i just cant! >> so now to get my faith back i do not need someone to do bad to me to prove that if u dont have faith it will be bad >> instead if something gud happens then my faith shall see hopes of returning...
thats my POV.. (m sorry if it hurts anyone's sentiments coz the eg. is vry harsh)

@red: if she wanted to heal him she shud have shown love...love that is blinding enough to erase mistrust...

When I say RK's assumption...I mean that either a person has to be under his control or he will betray him. You have a good analogy up there...but here is how I see it go in RK's case
Betrayal 1 - I was betrayed...I am devastated...I hate God and father...it was wrong to trust them ...was I not important enough?...result- lack of confidence...clinginess to mother...loss of faith
Betrayal 2 - I was betrayed...I hate relationships...I am not important enough...I hate my mother...I have to be important and I have to make sure no one can betray me. I am going to make her repent what she has done...she will die to love me but I will not reciprocate that is her punishment
Betrayal 3 - I was betrayed again...being powerful is really important...People are unreliable and will ditch you for small stuff...I am going to make her and people beg to stay around me but I will not love them...that is thier punishment
Madhu- She slapped me in public and dragged me to jail..I was ready to compensate the family for damages ...was I not? She dare send me bangles😡...she made a mockery out of me...all my hard work goes down the dump...people will now see that I am not powerful enough...they will leave me ...I will be betrayed and alone again...I need to break her and prove that I am powerful so people shake in thier boots at the thought of betraying me
Marraige to madhu...it is not working ...her opposition still proves...i am not powerful enough...what is this ...my mom supports her...wait... My mom cannot betray me again...
The gunshot...okay I admit maybe God did not betray me...we are again friends...after all he did save me through Madhu...love God's sense of irony...but what is this Bittuji/Mom everyone is with Madhu now...have they betrayed me completely...I need to work faster befor all of them stop loving me and move on to Madhu...Ahaan...Madhu is an emotional fool ...let us play prem-game
Why am I dreaming of Madhu...why do I feel so incomplete without her...she is doing something wierd to me..she is going to betray me ...she is becoming too much for me to control...she has got to go before other's start betraying me let us do the unwedding.
The problem with unending love is that he takes that as weakness...he controls the other person by manipulating him emotionally and then believing that control is the reason why the other person loves him and is unable to betray him...since he controls the other person...he does not respect him...which other person bears in name of love and acceptance. It is a vicious cycle.
He needs to be in a situation where he loses control and so trust yet the other person comes through for him...that is exactly what is happenning.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: dramacrazy12

When I say RK's assumption...I mean that either a person has to be under his control or he will betray him. You have a good analogy up there...but here is how I see it go in RK's case

Betrayal 1 - I was betrayed...I am devastated...I hate God and father...it was wrong to trust them ...was I not important enough?...result- lack of confidence...clinginess to mother...loss of faith
Betrayal 2 - I was betrayed...I hate relationships...I am not important enough...I hate my mother...I have to be important and I have to make sure no one can betray me. I am going to make her repent what she has done...she will die to love me but I will not reciprocate that is her punishment
Betrayal 3 - I was betrayed again...being powerful is really important...People are unreliable and will ditch you for small stuff...I am going to make her and people beg to stay around me but I will not love them...that is thier punishment
Madhu- She slapped me in public and dragged me to jail..I was ready to compensate the family for damages ...was I not? She dare send me bangles😡...she made a mockery out of me...all my hard work goes down the dump...people will now see that I am not powerful enough...they will leave me ...I will be betrayed and alone again...I need to break her and prove that I am powerful so people shake in thier boots at the thought of betraying me
Marraige to madhu...it is not working ...her opposition still proves...i am not powerful enough...what is this ...my mom supports her...wait... My mom cannot betray me again...
The gunshot...okay I admit maybe God did not betray me...we are again friends...after all he did save me through Madhu...love God's sense of irony...but what is this Bittuji/Mom everyone is with Madhu now...have they betrayed me completely...I need to work faster befor all of them stop loving me and move on to Madhu...Ahaan...Madhu is an emotional fool ...let us play prem-game
Why am I dreaming of Madhu...why do I feel so incomplete without her...she is doing something wierd to me..she is going to betray me ...she is becoming too much for me to control...she has got to go before other's start betraying me let us do the unwedding.
The problem with unending love is that he takes that as weakness...he controls the other person by manipulating him emotionally and then believing that control is the reason why the other person loves him and is unable to betray him...since he controls the other person...he does not respect him...which other person bears in name of love and acceptance. It is a vicious cycle.
He needs to be in a situation where he loses control and so trust yet the other person comes through for him...that is exactly what is happenning.


@bold : i agree...thats all facts but the reason he wants control is coz he fears betrayal...he is not hungry for power so that he can tame someone the way he wants...he is hungry for power coz that gives him belief that he will not be betrayed...he needs to control everything to avoid all his broken pieces to fall back again for him... so the reason is gud enough...

@red: i dont think he takes unending love as weakness...he controls the other person only to avoid further damage to his soul...as much as u say he likes to control i wud say he fell for the madhu that could fight n control him n he respects that i think...if u talk about respect...what is respect? its someone whom u can idealize n consider above you in any aspect that u like...honestly is there one such person around him?? and also there's this thing that when u have few ppl whom you love those few become a witness to ur ugliest side coz u take them for granted...this isnt disrespect its jus human nature...he considers madhu his...n hence the "sirf meri ho"
he is already in a situation where he has lost control over ppl close to him..tell me is it building in his trust?? no! it never will...he has to truly c his old madhu clean n crystal clear..his faith n trust will not return until then...taking control rights from him pushes him deeper down rather than raising...
consider a kid at heart...n think...if he doesnt like you u cant force it down...u have to give him time do as he says n then he will give in to you...it cant be the other way...
Edited by war_is_peace - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I apologize if I am repeating this question: Did Madhu really invite Sultan to the party? Maybe she just didnt want to tell Dips wala story to Sultan and so didnt deny it? Any ideas?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: applenpeaches

I apologize if I am repeating this question: Did Madhu really invite Sultan to the party? Maybe she just didnt want to tell Dips wala story to Sultan and so didnt deny it? Any ideas?


yes she invited him indeed...sultan read the msg n called madhu to confirm n in that call convo she invited sultan...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: applenpeaches

I apologize if I am repeating this question: Did Madhu really invite Sultan to the party? Maybe she just didnt want to tell Dips wala story to Sultan and so didnt deny it? Any ideas?


This is how I took Sultan's dialogue.

After getting the message from Madhu (which unknown to him and Madhu, at the time, Dipali had sent) he confirmed with her that she did not send the message. Madhu then still insisted that he come to the party.

How he confirmed with was not shown. Sultan however most likely called Madhu.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Another sense I am getting here is some of us are thinking ki RK will be finished after this 4th betrayal. I for one would like to put a positive spin on this one.

Yes, he will be shocked, stunned, speechless and so on at first that Madhu pulled this one on him but I think when the first wave of emotion is over, he is actually going to laugh and be very proud of his jungali billi that she managed this ace on him. He is a gamer and thrives on challenges. This basic trait remains.

Remember this time he has his mother and bappa with him. Madhu has made sure he has these 2 supporters with him even though she is going to leave him. So he will not fall into the vicious trap again and I don't really see anything tragic happening.

Yes, he may would like to teach her a final lesson which may lead us to the heroine track but then makers did promise us that in the beginning isn't it?

I am just writing it here since this is what I feel the outcome of Madhu's move today.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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i have a major doubt...

did RK fall for madhu's simplicity ? or did he fall for her fight the situation behavior?
he cant fall for both can he?

now more questions...
if he fell for the simplicity then that means that the whole revenge track will slowly make him fall out of love (this i say considering that he knows about her plans...mentioned in review)...that being said there's no chance of rishbala then...

if he fell for the sherni then i see another round of sabak sikhaana from rk's side...then again no chance of rishbala...

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Posted: 12 years ago
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How does Madhubala travel? Did Madhu walk to Sultan's house in the middle of the night?😆

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