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Posted: 12 years ago
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I've noticed a lot of people have been applauding RK for his behaviour, his actions, and his comments. A lot of these people being females. I'm honestly disgusted at how any woman can defend his actions, or justify his behaviour towards Madhu.

We've been seeing it right from the beginning. The way he's manhandled Madhu, treated her with disrespect, said some ridiculously disgusting things to her, and yet he continues to crave and pine for Madhu's affection and love. (I wonder why?)

I'm not bashing the guy, hell, I loved RK. I just don't see what the fascination is though. I adored watching his scenes initially, because I was waiting for something to happen, for some character development, some brilliance, something that would take my breath away and make me go "Ah, right. This is why this show is so incredible." But unfortunately that has yet to happen.

RK may be a brilliant character (debatable) but he's got no character development, or any improvement(s) within himself. He's made many tall claims in regards to his "love" for Madhu, but honestly, If anything, Madhu's just become a habit of his. A habit which he can't get rid of, nor can remain with. Ek adat hai. He insults her on the constant, yet he claims he loves her. (Someone needs to hit up the therapist and have a one-on-one session soon...) When Sultan is in the picture, RK gets ridiculously defensive and screams "BIWI" every five words, but doesn't truly mean anything he says. He's jealous. Why? Not because his wife is being spoken at/to by another man who he feels inferior to, rather because his property is being approached by another being. I hope you see where I'm going with this. Although RK seems like the ideal dude, with a pretty face, lots of money, a somewhat decent family, and a shit ton of "love", he's simply a phony. There's nothing *dreamy* about this character. (WAKE UP, LADIES!)

A lot of people are constantly praising him. Saying RK is right with the way he's behaving, and is justified in his actions, but I see no reason as to why I should sit down and watch the show for twenty (or whatever) minutes and watch some ridiculous male chauvinist bullshit.

Let's be real, shall we. We've been recently seeing MANY news broadcasts about females being raped, ill-treated, verbally/physically/mentally/emotionally abused by males. When we [assuming about 95% of this website is filled with woman] see this bullshit, we call the males out, and we scream and cry for equality, and justice. We scream for fair trials, for this idiotic behaviour to be stopped. We pull out petitions, attend protests, scream in the faces of politicians, BUT when we see this on our T.V. screens six days a week, we applaud the culprit? C'mon now. How many times have you witnessed RK physically/verbally/mentally/emotionally abusing Madhu? I've lost count honestly.

I just think that a lot of people need to wake the heck up and see what's going on their screens. Sure, Sultan's a gangster, and God knows what he's done, but consider the following: ever since he's entered the show, he's done nothing but emotionally evolve as a character, and show development. (Ding ding ding!) He's done a lot of crap in his past, but that's what has gotten him where he is today. He lost his family at a very young age. He's witnessed his mother being pulled away and murdered, he's witnessed his family falling a part. He took any opportunity that came his way, and avenged his mother's death. Where he is now, and who he's with, says something. A small family consisting of his son, a servant-cum-mentor/father/uncle, and a deeply suppressed love for a girl whom is emotionally atyachared on a daily basis.

Basically people need to get their shit together and see that Sultan isn't as horrible as everyone's making him out to seem, nor is RK as innocent as you're making him out to be.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Posted the following elsewhere today..think it's relevant here, extract below:

...But soaps like MB are eons away from reality - people like RK because he's been pitched as the 'hero' from day 1. Add a sad story and good looking bloke to the mix and you've got the audience hooked!

On the other hand (with all due respect to RZ - brilliant actor that he is!) Balraj had no sad story, no reason for doing what he did, he wasn't really easy on the eyes either - and he was pitched as the villain, net result?..not very many people were sorry when he died

I personally lock my brain in a jar before I start watching these soaps..it's the madness that keeps me sane after a gruelling day at work/ gym/ and the sodding trains of the city I live in - it's my escape to the land that knows no logic!

All I know is this: DD-VD look great together, they act pretty well too (most of the times) and I am thankful for the handful of romantic scenes that get thrown my way - having said that, I am highly disappointed at what was dished out today. Even a brainless viewer will only take 'that' much!

p.s. because I am such a huge Rishbala fan, I am completely against the idea of Sultan being portrayed as such a saint, because hey, he is a gangster at the end of the day AND I don't want Madhu to fall for him - period! 😵 had it been another story, or a second hero for (e.g.) Trishna, I might have liked him.. (feel free to call me a hypocrite! lol)

re Sultan's character development: I wouldn't call using your kid as bait for your enemies, not giving him the chance to lead a normal life and asking an innocent woman to 'just pull the trigger' as exactly innocent..but may be that's just me 😳

the bottom line for me is..AR is a good actor, but no better than VD-DD, and since I've been watching the latter for a year, why switch loyalties now? Nobody likes to see their favourite soap/ jodi sink..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I may be in the minority, but I'm one of the ones who applaud the writers for not sugarcoating what has been the case from the beginning. I haven't watched today's episode yet, but from what I see they are making it damn clear what RK is and was. It was always the case. It's just that now, they're showing it straight out and shattering many people's hopes that this type of man can change if the woman he harasses, treats horribly and blackmails wins him over.

Why should she have to win him over with her love? It wasn't her choice, she was blackmailed and forced into this sham of a marriage.

I think the makers here have done something that other shows that show similar things would never have dared to. They took that romantic notion and then broke it. They are continuing to show just how far-fetched that romantic notion is.

The only question is how they will handle the heroine's reaction and development. I already mentioned that it's ridiculous how Madhubala is expected to be so "respectful" to Radhaji. I put that in quotes because I think what passes for "respectful" in these Hindi serials these days is pretty regressive. So if they can't even show that, I don't know how well they show Madhubala's standing up for herself completely with RK.

Edit. Actually regarding the last two lines, I am kind of wrong. It's more difficult and rare to these Hindi serial heroines show some guts against elders or "mothers-in-laws" rather than the male lead/love interest/husband. Still, the question remains, how they will handle Mahdu's reaction and development.
Edited by likarsh - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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RK rocksss. Vivian is a great actor.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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God, I love reading your posts. You should post more often.<3

Now to the topic itself. You've said it all! I really don't understand how people try to find the most ridiculous excuses to justify RK's actions or even worse; describe his behaviour as protective, passionate etc.

Sultan has been through a lot which has probably been one of the main reasons to why he got into this whole 'gangster-business' but at the end of the day he is a not a bad person and he's clearly shown that he's a loving and caring human being.

Sultan spent such little time with Madhu but he still took her advice, listened to her, changed his behaviour towards his son, and started caring for Madhu; whilst Madhu has been with RK... for how long now? And she's tried to put some sense into his head but RK really doesn't give two sh*t's about what Madhu says. To RK it's all about what RK wants and what RK needs; basically RK, RK, RK, RK!

... I think his room says it all, really. How many pictures of himself does he have hanging in there?😆
Edited by GoldenPanda. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Again, please learn to differentiate between real and real. There's a difference. Although DD and VD are great actors, so is AR. Don't bash the guy because he's been in the show for a shorter period of time compared to the others. (Plus, that's not even a valid point).

If anything, like Tina said "Sultan spent such little time with Madhu but he still took her advice, listened to her, changed his behaviour towards his son, and started caring for Madhu; whilst Madhu has been with RK... for how long now? And she's tried to put some sense into his head but RK really doesn't give two sh*t's about what Madhu says. To RK it's all about what RK wants and what RK needs; basically RK, RK, RK, RK!"

That's basically the reality of the show.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: natz

re Sultan's character development: I wouldn't call using your kid as bait for your enemies, not giving him the chance to lead a normal life and asking an innocent woman to 'just pull the trigger' as exactly innocent..but may be that's just me 😳


I feel no need to tackle your other points because they're quite contradictory if you read my post once again.

As for the above, yes indeed, Sultan screwed up and did some shitty things (re: using Aryan as bait) but have you noticed a change in him? If you've been watching the show (I assume you have/are) you'd notice that he treats his son properly.

Wonder why? It's because again, like Tina said, he lived with Madhu for such a short period of time, but within that time frame he learned to become a better father figure. That my dear, is what you call character development.

Just because your favourite ship is sinking, it doesn't mean you make baseless/senseless accusations towards other characters without re-thinking your own thoughts.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: likarsh

I may be in the minority, but I'm one of the ones who applaud the writers for not sugarcoating what has been the case from the beginning. I haven't watched today's episode yet, but from what I see they are making it damn clear what RK is and was. It was always the case. It's just that now, they're showing it straight out and shattering many people's hopes that this type of man can change if the woman he harasses, treats horribly and blackmails wins him over.


Why should she have to win him over with her love? It wasn't her choice, she was blackmailed and forced into this sham of a marriage.

I think the makers here have done something that other shows that show similar things would never have dared to. They took that romantic notion and then broke it. They are continuing to show just how far-fetched that romantic notion is.

The only question is how they will handle the heroine's reaction and development. I already mentioned that it's ridiculous how Madhubala is expected to be so "respectful" to Radhaji. I put that in quotes because I think what passes for "respectful" in these Hindi serials these days is pretty regressive. So if they can't even show that, I don't know how well they show Madhubala's standing up for herself completely with RK.


RK forced her into this marriage but did he forced her to fall in love with him?No.do you remember the "Main Pareshan"sequence?Why was Madhu Pareshan?Because she fell in love with RK, whom she knew is very complicated and has a very big ego.i know you cant control yourself while falling in love but dont forget he never forced her to fall in love with him. He noticed her falling in love und used her.i am not saying that he did right. but one has to see all perspectives.

no intention on bashing or hating.just analyzing and my POV.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: afghangirl


RK forced her into this marriage but did he forced her to fall in love with him?No.do you remember the "Main Pareshan"sequence?Why was Madhu Pareshan?Because she fell in love with RK, whom she knew is very complicated and has a very big ego.i know you cant control yourself while falling in love but dont forget he never forced her to fall in love with him. He noticed her falling in love und used her.i am not saying that he did right. but one has to see all perspectives.

no intention on bashing or hating.just analyzing and my POV.


Even if she fell in love with him, it wasn't supposed to be an excuse for RK to be a jerk towards her, and treat her like utter shit. If anything, the only reason he actually softened towards her, was because he wanted to take revenge because of the four slaps. (Probably actually fell in love with her somehwere along the way, who knows).
He left her at the mandap after weaving plenty of perfect dreams with her. Hmm, I wonder who's at fault for that one. I wonder how much honesty and integrity there truly is to his love when even Madhu's pureness couldn't win his heart over. She's become his adat now, ek bouri si adaat joh RK chorr nahin sakhta, aur kissi aur ke saath dekh nahin sakhta.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: afghangirl


RK forced her into this marriage but did he forced her to fall in love with him?No.do you remember the "Main Pareshan"sequence?Why was Madhu Pareshan?Because she fell in love with RK, whom she knew is very complicated and has a very big ego.i know you cant control yourself while falling in love but dont forget he never forced her to fall in love with him. He noticed her falling in love und used her.i am not saying that he did right. but one has to see all perspectives.

no intention on bashing or hating.just analyzing and my POV.


My answer is in my first reply itself.
I think the makers here have done something that other shows that show similar things would never have dared to. They took that romantic notion and then broke it. They are continuing to show just how far-fetched that romantic notion is.

I'm not answering bitchily here, but I am talking about the notion that's embedded in the serials. Male lead treats female lead horribly, forces her into marriage and continues treating her horribly. And voila, they both fall for each other. Female lead sees the man he really is, and the male lead softens and realizes her true worth.

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Now the question of Sultan's change with Mahdu will come about. 😆 The difference is that Sultan didn't force and blackmail her into marrying him. And they didn't show a love story with the guy being a jerk throughout.
Edited by likarsh - 12 years ago

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