Episode 242 Discussion: 10th April 2013 - Page 11

Originally posted by: AreYaar

@AreYaar- Look at the lengths he went to the first time! I've always felt that the heartbreak was just as much about him breaking up with her (revealing he was faking) as it was about the extent of drama he created on that day!
But you're right, it's a highly unlikely scenario. Thankfully! :)

P.S. I'm still getting a hang of the quote feature, please bear with me!

Edited by thetelleroftale - 12 years ago

Originally posted by: thetelleroftale

@AreYaar- Look at the lengths he went to the first time! I've always felt that the heartbreak was just as much about him breaking up with her (revealing he was faking) as it was about the extent of drama he created on that day!
But you're right, it's a highly unlikely scenario. Thankfully! :)

Originally posted by: AreYaar

I have to disagree...Radhaji or any family care won't heal RK in this situation...Madhu is the reason as well as the ONLY antidote for his madness...that's just how it goes with RK...He will not get any semblance of sanity back unless he has Madhu and her love back...The only understanding he needs right now is from Madhu...but the situation is so complex...he is making it worse for himself and Madhu is in no position to give him that understanding as of now

Originally posted by: pnars

Voh apne Bhai ka Nashe ka effect hai Shri

Jaldi uthrega nahi!

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

That's why someone else than Madhu. Why Madhu should become his medicine yaar.. ?? Seriously !!!!! That's bollocks !!! He needs a person who is NOT the SOURCE of PAIN or RELIEF. He needs a DISCONNECT from HIS MADNESS...and so someone completely different who will take away from his craziness.

Aisa thodi na paagal ko woh de denge jo woh maang raha raha hai ?!!!!

Madhu chahiye Madhu Chahiye...NOPE

He needs SENSE more than MADHU.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

LOL well who has managed to get through to him before? Radhajj? She's already told him the truth a million times...told him to admit it too...has he?

You're not understanding what I'm saying...until he has Madhu back with him and the assurance that she isn't going anywhere, he will continue to be on this madness spree...something has to give b/w them...no one else can fix it.

Originally posted by: Ananya05

@bold: I don't think so. Even after he gets her back, and she gives him the assurance of her love, he is still going to doubt her as per the latest article. So, though Madhu is the ultimate solution to his problem, someone else has to help him to build a path to reach that destination. Just by bordering this insanity and torturing her, he won't meet an end to his problems.

He needs a timeout from Madhu. IMO, Radhaji is well capable of knocking sense in him. She has shown that potential as a mother.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

LOL well who has managed to get through to him before? Radhajj? She's already told him the truth a million times...told him to admit it too...has he?

You're not understanding what I'm saying...until he has Madhu back with him and the assurance that she isn't going anywhere, he will continue to be on this madness spree...something has to give b/w them...no one else can fix it.

Guys, I think what is most needed of both Radha and Padmini for at least the next hour in the MEIEJverse is their *absence*.

Both women have a mutual bond of deep love with their children, and yet ironically have never instilled any faith in their children in their respective mothers' good sense.

Both Madhu and RK - and even Trishna - listen to their mothers' advice on a future course of action only when they themselves agree with what they are being told.

Otherwise, they simply ignore or circumvent it.

The recent slapping instance by each mother was a case in point. Both children were anguished but moved not even a whit by the slap or diatribe from their chosen course of action.

And in each case, the priority for Madhu and RK each was each other, albeit in very different ways.

Radha is shrewd at manipulation when she sees her 'perfect family' under threat. But unfortunately for her, her son is even better at that field. He may fail to recognize the quality in his mother, but is far too often uncomfortably good at recognizing other factors and invalidating her efforts to varying extent.

And Padmini has let Madhu know far too clearly that she cannot be trusted by her daughter with any truth related to Madhu's feelings for RK.

Madhu has so far confided without prevarication only to Bittuji, and this may be perhaps because she may be certain that her own mother and sister would not accept or even permit the sheer depth of her continued emotion without trying to change it.

One can readily understand Padmini's feelings, but had she been shrewd enough not to have made her own opinion so clear, Madhu would perhaps not have felt driven to keep her so completely in the dark in so many matters.

Radha and Padmini may be useful to varying extents and at varying points as catalyst in getting the couple closer.

But any actual definitive effect on RK and Madhu is only through each other.

The mothers are valued by both in crisis not as guide against their own inclinations but only as a support in the course of action they themselves wish to undertake.

And as such, it is in that role that each mother has proven most effective.

Madhu knows RK loves her. Her faith in what she believed had been shaken to the core by the unwedding fiasco, but was restored by what she remembers of the drunk night.

Now the problem is that in his senses, he still refuses to acknowledge his feelings, and unless she pushes in some way or the other, he could take ages to admit it even to himself.

So she needs some hint that he is at least edging in the direction of admitting his feelings to himself at least if not to her.

She has seen him in control of himself. But the moments where his control is slipping are perhaps more revealing.

The upcoming knife situation can give her maybe some extent of assurance that this time he is not - in his senses - playing her.

RK not in control of himself may ironically be the greatest assurance he can offer this time of his genuine and earnest intent.

Radha's priority is her son and his happiness, so long as she herself is a part of that happiness.

And since she knows Madhu to be an essential security in RK's filial warmth and thus Radha's 'perfect family', she would presumably be happy to act as a 'fond saasuma' buffer to Madhu while helping reunite the couple.

Padmini may be a hindrance for some time yet in trying to direct her daughter's life while acting under utter ignorance of Madhu's stand, and be inclined towards RK only after quite a bit of upheaval.

The comfort in that is that Madhu has so far never let herself be swayed against her own wishes by her mother's opinion in any matter.

The concern is whether Madhu and RK will abide by their point during their previous conjugal hostility, hold vocally by their marital bond, and permit no outsider to speak or strike against each other.

Then, they had had no vulnerable feelings of their own at risk.

This time, each has reasons to have qualms in taking such a stand in varied situations - reasons of pride and rendering themselves vulnerable to each other. Though the validity of those reasons may be of varied sense, that is unlikely to change the fact that each considers their own reasons no less valid.

So if Madhu is - quite understandably - wary of being as forthcoming about her feelings as she was previously, it is likely to create misunderstandings and perhaps even resultant calamities (that specifically in view of three of the potential participants not being characters I would wish to see scenes of, I would dearly wish to avoid).

Basically, Padmini may - through her unfortunate situation of never knowing her daughter's feelings until Madhu spells it out for her - again weigh in favourably on imprudent course of action.

One may hope for more sense from Radha, but only if she appears on the scene after RK has induced Madhu to stick around.

Otherwise, we'll be back at point non plus.

The relationship dynamic delineated in the Holi scenario seemed to indicate that Madhu will no longer permit herself to give in easily. It is in RK not promptly giving up and considering her unfit (Lord, how that word still hurts) to be pursued with more desperate and sincere efforts.

Once their relationship was nurtured with her tenderness. Now, he must establish with his desperation and sincerity his actual desire to rebuild what he himself tore.

Madhu and RK both benefit in moments of anguish from having their mothers as a comforting presence, but any decisive hurt or healing only they - no one else, mother or other - can render unto each other.

Neither mother has been shown as having the capacity to even inadvertently hurt their respective child to such an extent nor to heal.

Radha may serve as a catalyst in helping bring the couple together, but she herself can do nothing to truly help with her son's turmoil, without depending on Madhu.

Even the reconciliation with her son she could not effect herself, and she is a shrewd enough woman to avoid expecting so much of her son in reaction to her that she might precipitate another even slight estrangement with him.

So any actual truly effective hope of healing solace for their greatest hurts may be expected of Madhu and RK themselves for each other. No one else - not even their mothers - may perhaps serve as anything more than a dearly valued comfort.

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Look I enjoy the entertainment. But thing is I could not laugh at his drama. It was gripping, but it was also madness and pain for both RK and Madhu...so as a viewer, I am getting concerned. For entertainment, we cannot have Madhu become doctor for him...but if she stays only for a day or two; like a kidnapped person, being held as a hostage...and they hash it out between themselves, then I am okay.

Long term saath rahna - I will be unable to digest. I mean I will be unable to agree with things.