Episode 197 Discussion: 16th Feb 2013 - Page 10

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Posted: 12 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0


No No No...
I am out of the race where people are trying to figure out. I was never in figuring out. That's why I am able to laugh. I have taken all that whatever they have shown. If I had questions, I asked the CVs and I waited. I was answered in the episodes. I am not in denial or questioning or overtly analyzing what we have shown like you guys. I have accepted what happened and have moved on,



True, Shri
You have always analysed only based on what is shown and that too logically..
You have made us all sane with your logical posts..
I have always loved your postsšŸ‘
So thank you for that and keeping the thread reigned in as much as possiblešŸ¤—


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Posted: 12 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: anastasia21

Here's what I don't understand. CVs are not stupid. They have proved it excellently so far. This show is way above-average, not stereotyped and fast paced. I would not go as far as to say its realistically portrayed, but I approve how they usually deal with the things. So why the CVs, who are supposedly smart, are so hell bent on making us hate RK so so badly. They do know how the audience are going to react. Each and every ytube video I see nowadays, be it a new promo or some new scenes or episodes, they are full of comments hating on RK. Even here in this thread, people are gradually losing their cool.

So this can't be about gauging audiences' reaction anymore. They are doing this on purpose. They want us to unanimously turn against RK. Him slapping Bittoo ji, belittling him, RK-Dipali scene today, they know exactly how these are gonna hit us. Everybody already know that RK is a monster and he needs to redeem himself. So what's the point of etching and re-etching it on our mind so emphatically on a daily basis?


bec. they know a few might be looking for clues in his behavior...they want us to be sure that he WAS taking revenge from her and he IS that way...therez no other truth...he WILL not act sane right now...that goes with his character as well...he's somewhere b/w the old RK and the reformed RK..he's trying to be himself and supressing his reformed self..
Edited by _charu_ - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#93

Originally posted by: pnars

I have a question...do Bittuji and Radhaji really think a lovely girl like Madhu should be with RK? Does he deserve her?


Keep in mind that these two know only as much as we do right now - that he did all this in a vicious fit of vengeance. And they both know, and have benefited from, Madhu's angelic nature. So, if they really want the best for Madhu, they would keep her away from him, na?

But no, they want to play Cupid to these angry birds...why? Because at heart their first love and loyalty are to RK. Ergo,they are not true well wishers of Madhu..

And Bittuji said something about the nafrat both feel for each other. Not true, Bittuji. Madhu never felt, in fact, still doesn't feel, any nafrat towards RK. Your Chief is flying solo on this one!



Very well said.

I can't help but feel that Bittujii and Radha are being somewhat selfish and biased in their love towards RK. Give the poor girl some respite. And I am somewhat astonished, that Bittuji is going to give her an assignment on RKs set. That is so unfair to Madhu. Not even 2 days have passed since that dreadful night in her life, and you want her to push into the devil's den again. Not a very sensitive thing to do Bittuji. And knowing Madhu, I don't think she is going to back out. She will continue with whatever work was assigned to her.

But this is TV serial. They can't keep the leads in different frames for long.

@bold: šŸ˜† šŸ˜† šŸ˜†

I forgot to mention. I like your posts. They are short, meaningful with a faint touch of sarcasm and humor. šŸ˜‰



Edited by Ananya05 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

The weight-lifting scene 🤣


I don't understand why you people are all disgusted about it. Have you all wondered what was the actual ACT about???

  • If RK picked up Dipali in his arms, where was he leading her on to...INTO HIS ROOM OR AWAY FROM HIS ROOM.
  • What would have happened if SIKKY HAD SEEN RK LIFTING DIPALI LIKE THAT and his darling wife with hands over RK ? What would the household have felt ? Half the time, I was expecting Sikky to see it. And IMO, RK EXPECTED SOMEONE to SEE that SCENE of HIM CARRYING DIPALI to HER ROOM.
  • What would have Sikky or Radhaji asked ? RK where are you taking her ? What happened to her? Why is she in your arms ?

RK would have answered...Bhabhi was in my room exercising. I am taking her to her room.
What would have been the SUBTLE MESSAGE Driven here ?
WHY DIPS is EXERCISING in HIS ROOM ?
And who HAD to ANSWER that QUESTION ? RK or DIPS or SIKKY ?

IMO SIKKY was the one to answer that between TWO MEN. And no longer the fight is between RK and Dips. The WOMAN HAD ALREADY LOST ALL STATUS at that Point. This is is called SOCIETAL JUDGEMENT DAY.

Just that today, they wanted to use Dipali for RK to utter the dialogue of his HAQUE of hating, insulting and avenging over Madhu was his, even if she was his EX-WIFE. And he was saying this to his EX-GF. I feel they are preserving the scene of total public display of Dips for later, when Sikky gets to know about it.


See the contrast.
  • There was a day when RK went to Madhu's room, picked her up in his arms and instilled her in his room.
  • Today, Dips, who was in his room, INSTEAD of SAYING HIS REGULAR OUTT, he just picked up her, dropped her in her room and splashed water on her face, asking her to come back to senses.

To ME TODAY RK OFFICIALLY CURED HIMSELF OF HIS THIRD HURT.

MADHU HAS OFFICIALLY CURED RK OF ALL HIS THREE PUNCHES/HURTS.
  1. RK is now reconciled to Ganesha, his father. They both are on the side table.
  2. RK is reconciled to his mother. He respects her completely.
  3. RK has shown Dipali her place and he was not afraid to show this in front of people. He already said to Dipali..."Coffer nahin Vodka se celebrate karo" in front of his mother. So RK is now HELL-BENT to SHOW DIPALI's REALITY to HIS FAMILY, especially HIS MOTHER and HIS BROTHER SIKKY
  4. Finally RK has stopped drinking and is now able to sleep.




Sri,

Haven't read responses to this post of yours yet, so I may be getting repetitive here. My objection to this scene is that Deepali brings an erotic/sensual overtone to such scenes, that has been absent from the majority of Rishbala scenes so far (except maybe the dance in the darkness - "Raat akeli hain" - which, btw, Deepali initiated). Granted, CVs may have keep the lovey-dovey moments deliberately "sweet" so that RK could justify his "revenge" melodrama later, but it gets my goat to see that sensuality between RK and Deepali - even if RK is a reluctanct participant or is just using her feelings for him to goad her along. Deepali should not be in RK's arms stroking his cheek - it's blasphemy! That spot and action is reserved for Madhu Bhabhiji šŸ˜‰
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Posted: 12 years ago
#95

Originally posted by: _charu_


bec. they know a few might be looking for clues in his behavior...they want us to be sure that he WAS taking revenge from her and he IS that way...therez no other truth...he WILL not act sane right now...that goes with his character as well...he's somewhere b/w the old RK and the reformed RK..he's trying to be himself and supressing his reformed self..



Another dissociated personality state added to his Multiple personality disorder suffering. 🤣 🤣
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Posted: 12 years ago
#96

Originally posted by: Ananya05



Another dissociated personality state added to his Multiple personality disorder suffering. 🤣 🤣



why radha n bittu don't understand poor rk n he doesn't need madhu as madhu ahem is simple girl,poor madhu šŸ˜‰ šŸ˜†
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Posted: 12 years ago
#97

Originally posted by: Ananya05



Another dissociated personality state added to his Multiple personality disorder suffering. 🤣 🤣



no one agreed with my sociopathy diagnosis!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
#98

@ bold - Exactly. if she was fooled enough by his expressions to keep talking nonsense like ...I used to kiss you etc...(yuck, yuck), then it was a leading on...sensual kind of carrying😔
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I did not get to see the episode until few minutes back...I am not sure if I will have anything new to add after 13 pages of discussion but since I have already started typing ...here goes nothing...
An episode that gave hints for things to come...I felt impressed, disgusted and joyous at the same time. The chess pieces are being placed in thier places for the game to be played in future. The CVs are playing with the storyline very very smartly..
Dips warns Madhu who is later hounded by the media. Madhu stands tall and gracious without dishing out any dirt on RK. Madhu quits the job and comes home. Bittuji meets up with her and tells her about his resignation...he is still in shock over RK's action. Madhu convinces Bittuji to go back to RK revealing her concern for RK in the process. Radha and Bittuji resolve to bring Rishbala together again. Dips makes an another attempt to seduce RK but fails miserably. RK tells her that he alone owns the right to torture Madhu. Madhu keeps her mangalsutra and red sari as memory of her naivity and get strength from it to move forward.
The execution of the episode was flawless as usual. These guys are setting a very high standard for thier show. There is a lot I liked or got out of today's episode. The episode on a whole was both expected and unexpected on several counts.
Let us talk what was unexpected for me first
1)Ever since the show started ...this is the first time that I felt a certain level of respect for Radha's character. I had almost expected her to fall in one of the usual melodrama categories-
A weak woman who knows her son is wrong but decides to manipulate her DIL into waiting for her son by convincing her that he will soon realize that he is wrong and asking for God's help in process or
A very strong woman who proudly stands by her DIL and breaks her relationship with her errant son.
Radha did none of that...She questions her son with all the passion she can muster and is heartbroken to see how unapologetic her son is. She then sees the underlying issue to the problem and she sees the solution but does she approach Madhu...no sirree...she does not. She is too embarrassed and she is not sure how Madhu feels about all this . It is not until she finds out that Madhu sent Bittuji back to work for RK and is sure that Madhu still cares for RK in some capacity does she decide to take an action.
Look at this woman - she made a decision 16 years ago for the betterment of her son. It ended up driving her son away and she has only recently reconciled. She is once again taking a decision , one that might not go well with her son and they might become estranged again maybe forever this time. But she is ready to take that risk not just for the betterment of her son but also the happiness of her daughter-in-law. I am impressed!
2) RK and Bittuji's interaction came as a surprise to me. I had pegged RK as an egoist but I did not think he was stupid. The way he hands the phone back to Bittuji was the only time, I was truly disgusted beyond measure with RK's behaviour (we can skip the Sat-Tues episodes). This guy has lost touch with reality ...He is so bloated with self-importance that he actually has begun to believe in his on-screen persona.He will take a hit to keep his ego...amazing! He knows that he needs Bittuji, he knows that Bittuji cared for him and yes I understand he felt betrayed by Bittuji's action but the way he humiliated Bittuji was uncalled for. For a minute, I could not wait to see RK's world fall apart.
3)Dipali and RK interaction came as surprise to me. In past RK always came across as a very weak personality in her presence. She would physically harrass him and poke finger in his unhealed wounds...all he could do was retaliate her with insults, "OUT" while buckling with self pity and pain. Today for the first time, he seemed in control...while Dips looked lost...He actually lifts her ...proves that he is still capable of seducing her and than brings her to her senses by throwing water on her. Dipali is so lost in him, she does not even realize that he walked her from his room to hers. He is no longer scared of anyone seeing him...though why someone did not escapes me . RK also made a statement today- Dips called Madhu a fool for falling in love, for falling for RK's seduction and for missing RK...He showed her that if someone as jaded and supposedly smart as Dips could fall for his act despite thier history then she has no right to cast asperations on a very simple and emotional Madhu. He also made sure that Dips understands that even in hate , he is more possesive of Madhu than he ever was or will be of her.
Now for expected-
1)Madhu's reaction was expected. I was impressed with her poise, grace and self-confidence in dealing with press. Regardless of what anyone says...she still loves RK. She seems more hurt not with his action but with the fact that he claims to have never loved her at all. Odds are that she would have screamed, shouted, cried, forgiven and then moved on to mend ties with RK. She still does not believe this was all for revenge but RK won't play ball and she cannot do anything alone. I think she feels an overwhelming sorrow,pity and loss on what could have been. This was not only her loss her also RK's loss. (I am ready for virtual Chappals and Jootas...šŸ˜†).
2)Padmini and Trishna are only seeing and hearing what they want to. I am surprised that Paddy did not seem to ponder much on why Madhu sent Bittuji back to work for RK though she did seem shocked for a minute. Trishna and Paddy are enraged on Madhu's behalf and they liken RK to Ballu but that is just where they are wrong. Ballu was crude, crazy and abusive who never did a single positive thing...Paddy has no good memories of him. RK was charming , loving , caring and kind...he did a lot of good things for Maliks regardless of his reasonings and intentions. He truly made Madhu feel cherished and at the top of the world in his (fake?) love. In some ways he has spoilt Madhu for anyone else. No one will ever be able to measure up and hence Madhu is doomed in all her future relationships. This is also why it will be immensely harder for Madhu to walk away from him.
3)Bittuji coming back to work for RK and Radha's plan was expected. Both Rishbala want to move ahead (though what they are not seeing is that they might never truly succeed) so first order to business is to close all routes of escape and throw them in each other's physical proximity. They will be constantly aware of each other haunted by thier shared memories and will never truly escape thier bond.
My comment at the end of today's episode was "Why does love have to be so hard?"
Edited by dramacrazy12 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: iiDona

that would be wonderful. thank you. For now, I shall cross my heart and hope NOT to die at the hands of blinded fan bots. wish me luck


@bold

Wish you lots of luck. I made you the Initator and the meta convener for the topic Relationship Abuse.
Wish me luck as well...since I am thread creator, not sure what ruckus it may rake up or how much success you and me have for our intellectual satisfaction.

META Discussion

Today's topic: Relationship abuse

At the outset...I have to say, I am not comfortable discussing Relationship Abuse. Its too morbid for me and I am too positive person for anything of that sort to happen to me. Lot of bad things have happened to our family and yet we move on. For me its the mindset. One is abused only when one feels it as abused. If you deny the pleasure of calling it as abuse and term it as experience, it becomes an experience to you instead of abuse.

All the bestšŸ‘šŸ¼

And ED peeps, you are invited to join the Meta discussion. Earlier, FQ and myself used to have Meta Discussion for weekend. So my note might remind you of hers. I changed it a bit incorporating what had been advised by the mods then.

SD
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ETA
1st META TOPIC CANCELLED

iiDona has started the discussion in independent thread.



ED Peeps,
If you have any Meta topic to discuss with Madhubala show as the reference point, but is not related to Episode Discussion, is NOT a Future Track Discussion or Media article discussion, then discuss it over here.

META Discussion


Pooja, MM,
Do you wanna discuss there ?

This morning I saw MM discussing Soap Heroine and her Occupation. That was a META topic and not in anyway related to Media or Future track discussion. I still answered it. And soon it became an intellectual discussion between us two in PM mode. So it was a miss for many...for a good Meta topic with no platform available.

Likewise Pooja, brings upon lost of non-episodic but relevant discussions. These if want to be pursued at great length for more than one post, then they can freely be discussed in META thread. The clutter of non-episode discussion will go away.

Think about it...
Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago

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