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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Manonids


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See my main point is, loving a man, who has ruined ur family to the extent that u are being held responsible for every single thing in ur own family, is not something she can accept so easily in all situations. She is not sure if RK will be accepted by her family in the way she wishes so badly. She is hoping against hope to have an ideal life with RK, but here she fails to understand how to make a bridge. Every time, she tries to make peace bw RK and her family, she fails. She is bound to be torn bw her family, and RK. Her loving RK, with whom as a daughter, she must have enmity to the core, is not something so normal. You need great strength to FEEL for such man. If Madhu closes herself from him, even RK ( not Rishab) doesn't share much about what he does for her in his twisted ways, which makes her fall in with him more ( Eg, Shamsher's case) . Remember .she once said ...woh Aam insano jaisa nahe hai ... She is inexplicably falling and she doesnt know how to stop her heart beating for that man. Its in itself a dilemma she experiences when she sees RK and repercussions of RK's actions on her family, thrown recently by Trishna. Madhu has seen little of Rishab and RK has seen little of choote choote sapno wale ladke. ..I hope they grow sensible from here on.


>>>Every time, she tries to make peace bw RK and her family, she fails. She is bound to be torn bw her family, and RK

As far as I know, she tried this for the first time and that too only keeping her mom in her mind. She had no Shamsher and Trishna in her thoughts. So she had not fully given it a thought and wanted to show "new improved RK" to her mom who had approved the relationship for her. We all wondered how come Madhu is actually thinking of doing this right now, and whereas it strikes to her after she reaches the chawl. Madhu's immaturities cannot be termed as insecurities. Her case is like...Only Fools rush in where Angels Fear to tread, but that's what sets her apart from all and RK loves for that. Just that she needs to rush in at all times in same token and not stop becoming the Angel who Fears to tread. If RK is confusing and erratic, Madhu is no less confusing and erratic in her responses and actions.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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[quote=Shri]Thank you Leela. Zoe. My pleasure. Absolutely 😆

But let me give credit to Zoya also. If we had not been talking for more than an hour or may be two hours losing all sense of time😆, I wouldn't have known how much actually it had been upsetting to all. For me, I was not upset with the outcome and just lamented the poor execution of actually a valid development in their relationship. It was flawed by bringing in all unnecessary elements and was getting apprehensive altogether on RK The Superstar character after this perceived rejection and upcoming agenda that he has to deal with ...Trishna's nepotistic favours from RK, Balraj Chaudhry and the rival entry. For all these 3 agendas on the table, Rishbala need to work as a team. And where is the team now ? Where is the trust ? Nowhere. They just have love and better they learn working together through information sharing, Trust will develop by and by...

Zoe,
I don't have any CV's addresses. But I try to give my feedback over Colors Twitter acct and website and MEIEJ-Colors Facebook page. I shall do that tomorrow.[/Quote]
@Bold, ever since the news of Balraj's return, Preet and I were hoping to see Rishbala as a untied power that will face off and fight the evil force; however, after today's episode our hope might change to an unfulfilled wish. Unless CVs will decide to reunite them at the last minute to fight Balraj, who knows ?? After all, we are at their mercy 😒
@Red, that would be wonderful.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Test of Love - Never wrong to test when you actually love someone or trust someone. Sometimes its peremptory demand from the extremely loved one.

One thing is sure from today's episode, no matter how poorly they executed it by involving clunk plots such Dips entering RK's room to brainwash him and Madhu visiting Chawl to have Trishna curse her and tell about Padmini-Shamsher fallout...They showed that Madhu will love him, but will never completely put him above everything else. She is gonna always fail him and he(RK) will have to keep learning to live with rejection and yet loving her. And Madhu will always fail to understand his need until she realizes that she hurt him bad and tries to compensate that hurt by loving him more.

He(RK) will want her to love him in all trust and she will fail because she will always hold something back from him about her. If you see it is RK who has shared his past with Madhu and she has not shared anything about her to RK by herself. She instead shared with Rads rather freely (that's why I said lesbian tendencies in my Episode Discussion thread), but she doesn't share anything with RK. She only told him one thing...about her biological father who tried to kill her...and later it was RK who asked her for the whole story.

Madhu has problem trusting RK. That was shown this Monday or Tuesday I guess, when she said, "Dhoka to nahin doge na". You cannot be distrusting even before giving the person a chance. That is plain negativity as things doomed for bad. That morning RK was in super goner mood and hence did not get angry, but it was enough to hurt the sensitive Rishabh inside him, had Rishabh decided to raise his head.

Part of RK problem, which was poorly executed today in test of love was that he wants to be himself when with Madhu and hence will not fear to bare his heart and head before her, if he feels reassured by her that he can do it by trusting himself with her. That's where the complex subject of do you love Rishabh or RK. It was executed badly, because the writers can never be sure how viewers will understand complex subjects, so trying to show through RK as the superstar with material wealth and Rishabh as the real man. which is not actually true. RK can be real RK as well.

But that question of "Can I trust myself with you Madhu?" in the deeper sense of Test of Love from RK end is where Madhu failed him today. She couldn't freely give her hand and hold his hand and then talk her objections. Instead she chose to retain her hand, chose to keep quiet, maintain her problems as hers. In Ganesha track too she, went behind RK's back to restore his faith. Her folly almost cost him his life. This secretive missions of her are going to be detrimental to either. In Shamsher arrest case, she went against RK and left the house in dead of night. She landed into lot of trouble. She and her family got saved because of RK. If RK was not intelligent, would he have been able to trust and forgive her ?

When Madhu encounters problems, she won't share them with her husband, when as a wife she should share information with him so that level of trust builds up between husband and wife. Instead she will hide things from him and try to tackle everything by herself. That act would actually endanger her and RK as well and RK will have clean up the mess. This is going to be sore point between them, why Madhu would not trust information with RK ? Illogical she is, and in her illogic she is going to hurt RK a lot. Why he loves her is because, this illogical woman is the only one who will allow him to be spontaneous and not be the RK superstar as she is that dumb and naive to conspire against him.

Madhu needs to learn to share herself with RK along with her duties to others, Please note...Loving is not equal to sharing yourself.

RK will now always have to be careful with her because he loves her madly and can lose himself anytime and knowing that she holds back part of her self, his pride will also get hurt if he tries to bare himself when it is not needed by her. He may trust her bit by bit if she starts to share herself with him. And boy! I have not seen Madhu do it. Not that there is a lot Madhu can tell about her past...but she hardly speaks to him. Does RK actually know who Madhu is other that her being a goner fo him ?

They needed to know each other before they could have fallen in love. Alas, they fell in love without knowing each other. Ab bhugto !!! Now start learning about each other !!!

👏⭐️⭐️ Wonderful analysis Shri and completely accurate. RK and Madhu's level of love for each other far exceeds their level of trust-on both sides. If RK trusted Madhu to the extent he's been proclaiming to all and sundry he would never have been instigated by Diputz's words and he would not have failed her based on a split second of hesitation.
There is also the fact that I don't think Madhu really believes that RK trusts her and so she does not trust him. Two reasons: 1) You've pointed out the circumstances in which they married- taking into account that and what he did before (breaking her trust via the press conference), those scars will take time to fade. It's a testemant to her insanity that she fell in love with him in the first place, baring his wounds to her or no. As you said, sharing yourself is not loving someone, and is infinately harder. 2) Whenever RK has shared something of himself to Madhubala, it has always been under emotional duress and he has always pulled back from her until she pushes. It gives the impression that he regrets sharing himself with her, and has no intention of doing so delibrately. Not an invitation for a heaping dollop of trust in return.
We talked about character flaws as well, remember? Madhu's has always been that she places others above herself- and what 2-3? months of marriage will not erase that. She placed Mukund above her own family interests, so why are we surprised that she thinks of Radha and Trishna? She will lose those traits as she has lost the others, along with way as she matures.
Finally way too early in the Rishbala relationship for them to trust each other the way both of them need. But I hope this track forces some character growth on Madhu so she can pave the way for a better relationship- a healthy relationship is not something RK can foster in my mind.
Hope this rambling made some sense- can't be as awesome as your post, but you do inspire me to write this stuff so you have to pay the price😉
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

Test of Love - Never wrong to test when you actually love someone or trust someone. Sometimes its peremptory demand from the extremely loved one.

One thing is sure from today's episode, no matter how poorly they executed it by involving clunk plots such Dips entering RK's room to brainwash him and Madhu visiting Chawl to have Trishna curse her and tell about Padmini-Shamsher fallout...They showed that Madhu will love him, but will never completely put him above everything else. She is gonna always fail him and he(RK) will have to keep learning to live with rejection and yet loving her. And Madhu will always fail to understand his need until she realizes that she hurt him bad and tries to compensate that hurt by loving him more.

He(RK) will want her to love him in all trust and she will fail because she will always hold something back from him about her. If you see it is RK who has shared his past with Madhu and she has not shared anything about her to RK by herself. She instead shared with Rads rather freely (that's why I said lesbian tendencies in my Episode Discussion thread), but she doesn't share anything with RK. She only told him one thing...about her biological father who tried to kill her...and later it was RK who asked her for the whole story.

Madhu has problem trusting RK. That was shown this Monday or Tuesday I guess, when she said, "Dhoka to nahin doge na". You cannot be distrusting even before giving the person a chance. That is plain negativity as things doomed for bad. That morning RK was in super goner mood and hence did not get angry, but it was enough to hurt the sensitive Rishabh inside him, had Rishabh decided to raise his head.

Part of RK problem, which was poorly executed today in test of love was that he wants to be himself when with Madhu and hence will not fear to bare his heart and head before her, if he feels reassured by her that he can do it by trusting himself with her. That's where the complex subject of do you love Rishabh or RK. It was executed badly, because the writers can never be sure how viewers will understand complex subjects, so trying to show through RK as the superstar with material wealth and Rishabh as the real man. which is not actually true. RK can be real RK as well.

But that question of "Can I trust myself with you Madhu?" in the deeper sense of Test of Love from RK end is where Madhu failed him today. She couldn't freely give her hand and hold his hand and then talk her objections. Instead she chose to retain her hand, chose to keep quiet, maintain her problems as hers. In Ganesha track too she, went behind RK's back to restore his faith. Her folly almost cost him his life. This secretive missions of her are going to be detrimental to either. In Shamsher arrest case, she went against RK and left the house in dead of night. She landed into lot of trouble. She and her family got saved because of RK. If RK was not intelligent, would he have been able to trust and forgive her ?

When Madhu encounters problems, she won't share them with her husband, when as a wife she should share information with him so that level of trust builds up between husband and wife. Instead she will hide things from him and try to tackle everything by herself. That act would actually endanger her and RK as well and RK will have clean up the mess. This is going to be sore point between them, why Madhu would not trust information with RK ? Illogical she is, and in her illogic she is going to hurt RK a lot. Why he loves her is because, this illogical woman is the only one who will allow him to be spontaneous and not be the RK superstar as she is that dumb and naive to conspire against him.

Madhu needs to learn to share herself with RK along with her duties to others, Please note...Loving is not equal to sharing yourself.

RK will now always have to be careful with her because he loves her madly and can lose himself anytime and knowing that she holds back part of her self, his pride will also get hurt if he tries to bare himself when it is not needed by her. He may trust her bit by bit if she starts to share herself with him. And boy! I have not seen Madhu do it. Not that there is a lot Madhu can tell about her past...but she hardly speaks to him. Does RK actually know who Madhu is other that her being a goner fo him ?

They needed to know each other before they could have fallen in love. Alas, they fell in love without knowing each other. Ab bhugto !!! Now start learning about each other !!!


wonderful analysis Shri, not just this one but all the replies too..it was a delight reading the entire thread..

frm this point on, the story will progress in a different manner ..bec. now they r in love and they have confessed their love to each other ! although, RK is angry, and i have no idea where it will lead him , the fact remains unchanged that Madhu is becoming his obsession and it's growing on him day by day..look at the way he scolded Rajesh for leaving Madhu alone and how he reacted when Madhu was about to get hurt with the glass pieces on the floor ! in the precap too, he cud not stop himself frm caring for her...now his love will be with him forever and ever !! he will not let go off her... whether Madhu loves RK or Rishabh, whether she loves him for his money or charm, he loves her frm the bottom of his heart , that should be sufficient for him...therez no way by which he cannot feel the warmth and love frm Madhu's end , it will melt him one day..😊

both of them working as a team is difficult for the time being..they're already heading for a separation..otherwise how will Balraj cause damage to Madhu and Padmini? 🥱 Trishna's curse will work for the time being...either he will send her to chawl or she will go on her own...RK will appear towards the end of Balraj track, most likely...the only good thing which they showed is the confession, which will bind them together , whether therez separation or MU ..perhaps the story will be back on track after VD rejoins ..

Edited by _charu_ - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Why can't our serials be as sophisticated as these analyses? They actually are, I suppose, but the execution inevitably fails :(

Coming to our beloved couple, I read through the thread and am reluctantly coming round to your pov that Madhu needs to open herself up. By the same token, shouldn't RK trust her more as well? He set up a test doomed for failure yesterday (yes it was - he kept pushing and pushing till she said no), moreover a test designed by his ex of all people (wait till Madhu hears of his - the Sherni will really unsheath her claws then).
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: pnars

Why can't our serials be as sophisticated as these analyses? They actually are, I suppose, but the execution inevitably fails :(


Coming to our beloved couple, I read through the thread and am reluctantly coming round to your pov that Madhu needs to open herself up. By the same token, shouldn't RK trust her more as well? He set up a test doomed for failure yesterday (yes it was - he kept pushing and pushing till she said no), moreover a test designed by his ex of all people (wait till Madhu hears of his - the Sherni will really unsheath her claws then).


Then my dear, think hard. Was it actually Dipali who drove RK to confess his feelings for Madhu, or was it Madhu who made him insecure ? Forget what was shown. Feel what you saw the outcome as.

The guy was happy silently loving his Biwi. He had no expectations from her, to love him back.
Then she starts loving him. He notices that, feels it and yet stays or shows as if nothing is going on. But already the pleasure was getting into his head. Then Biwi goes for a sixer with Karva Chauth, a thing he cannot ignore...though he tries not to come for his principles, he decided to go back to her.

So who called him forcibly to her ? Madhu.

Then,they have a beautiful evening. Two people in love...can they really help each other ? No. He still tries to go back to his couch. She manages to keep him by her side.

Who raised his hopes ? Madhu

Then she invited him to a family lunch in the dead of night like to show him off a trophy. Bhai Kis baat ke liye ? God! I could not understand that. Not that I am not romantic. But I just plainly refuse to do illogical things. Then in morning, he is still dazed and she is all serious. She is apprehensive that he may not come. So indirectly did she not put him to test ? And like her he too had not realized that this was his test which he had to pass.

So he failed her test.

By this time he snapped out of love-lorn state and he is actually asking himself, how far he can trust himself with her.

Who has trust issues? Him. Does MB know about that ? Yes. Didn't he tell her ? Yes. Does she have to remember ? No. Can he hope that she understands him ? Yes.

That's where the problem is. Its not just his test to see how far Madhu loves him. Its a test for him to know his THRESHOLD on how much he can allow himself to be exposed to her in this love -- the giving and expectation of the return.

If Madhu has same madness towards his questions and answers just like her actions, then he is validated. But then, there was a mismatch between words and actions. On one side she said, you are my Duniya and on another side she did not give her hand when he asked to come away with him.

If I was in Madhu's place, when RK confessed where the car broke down, I would have been dazed and thinking. I would not have nagged him again to repeat his confession back at the farmhouse, only to hold back myself.

If RK thinks he is jinxed in love and therefore needed to be reassured by Madhu that she will always be with him, whichever manner that essence comes up, and therefore the test of love for his threshold limit of expectation to contain his disappointment levels, to stay in control, MB also felt responsible for all other people other than RK. For her RK was a Pleasure principle which could be enjoyed later after she attends to the cares of the world. She did not realize that infact it was other way round that RK was hurting and he needed her badly more than anyone else, and he rightly said, you love RK and not Rishabh, because the pleasure principle that Madhu felt was from RK persona and she failed to see the other hurting Rishabh, I guess now she understands.

Now the question of Madhu testing RK's love...many are outraged and have said many things...I will say that, RK will always pass in MB's test when push comes to shove. Why because, he does not raise hopes like MB and then he obliges the unsaid expectation...that is his character. RK biggest point of loving MB is that he loves her inspite of her wounding him bad. Please don't think that she does not hurt him. She hurts him all the time, but the guy sees her good intentions and therefore asks himself to let it go.
Edited by 0-SD-0 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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AA, Charu, Vaani,
Thank you.

AA, Charu, hear you.
And maybe my last response to pnars sheds some more light on insecurity versus need to test...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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nice post yup u r rite madhu has trusting problem n this track will help her
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: 0-SD-0

AA, Charu, Vaani,

Thank you.

AA, Charu, hear you.
And maybe my last response to pnars sheds some more light on insecurity versus need to test...


yeah i read that n i was dumbstruck 😛 felt like u read my mind...

i hope Madhu is intelligent enuf to guess what RK meant by"tum bhi RK se pyar karti ho Rishabh se nahi"..her expressions in the end scene said it all..but now the damage is done...her explanation, even if he gives her a chance, will not reverse it bec. in my POV, woh reasons hi galat hai at any point of time in her life, she will have these incomplete tasks in hand...we're at the mercy of CV's, dono ko apne aap akal aa jayegi when the time is right 😆


Edited by _charu_ - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shri, as always awesome 👏 and there is no superlike button at all:(. I loved all your responses as well..
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