Episode 144 Discussion: 12th Dec 2012

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hansa22

@hansa22

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#61

Thought a good night's sleep would help me to review last night's episode with a fresh perspective. Don't know...so am thinking aloud.

I agree with all that has been said about RK's past, his deep insecurities etc etc. But I still maintain it is totally out of character for him to take on Dipali. I am trying very hard to understand why he does this.

His character has been built up so carefully over the past few months...so we get an arrogant, intelligent, creative, superstar, and we also get an emotionally vulnerable, emotionally needy, loving, funny, lovable, intuitive man. He is shown to be so intelligent that he understands the unsaid nuances of every situation (something that his wife never does).
He has a past, an ugly past, tragic past, but he has emerged a survivor, and commands the love, adulation and respect of the masses. His minions tremble before him, his step family hates him and he hates them, he loves his mother, but is indifferent to her. Now it gets murkier, he hates Dipali, but is not indifferent to her!!

Yes, Dipali worked on his insecurities, but he has his intelligence right? His keen insight helped him forgive a person who had tried to kill him thrice!!! That night, the pooja night, he goaded Madhu to talk about her past, because he wanted to gauge the person Malik was, and Madhu's relationship with him. His mind was working constantly, trying to assimilate his discovery, and to formulate a response. He let go of Malik because he did'nt want to see Madhu hurt. But he also grudgingly accepted Malik for the man he was, and understood his motivations.

Cut to Dipali...he knows she works on his insecurities, because they were once a couple. She knows his weaknesses, but RK knows her character just as well. Last week, she tried to poison his wife, and this week she questions the integrity of his wife. Logically, he should be able to see through her challenge for what it is.

Personally, I cannot reconcile the character he was in the past few months to the person he turned out to be yesterday. Unless he loved Dipali, really loved her at one point. 😕

AS I'm writing, i 'm thinking he needs to reach a level where he admits to himself that what he had with Dipali was not love at all. That is when she will not have the power to hurt him.

If he continues to get this affected by her, CVs, please return his first and only love back to him😡. And let Madhu off the hook. Anyway, he is her jhoot moot ka pati, so cut the losses and move on. 😡

This track has to be a short one...or else I will switch off for a while, not that my viewing or not viewing will shake up TRPs or anything😆, but I'm just saying.

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hansa22

@hansa22

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#62

Originally posted by: souhaila
now i hope after the hole love thing settels rk is in heaven.. i want him to pay for what he did.. i hope madhu comes to know about the facts and goes like.. HOW DARE YOU TEST ME LIKE THIS AND STORMES OF BECAUSE SHE THINKS HE DOESNT TRUST HER INOVE AND LET DEEPALI EASLY COME BETWEEN THEM... she will go to her family will rk tries to win her back and between this her real father comes back and rk goes defensief mood...(intersting) think his junoon can do allot!!

beggging cv's again dont screw up pleaseee

@Bold - Agree. For once, I want Madhu to get really furious with him, and not give in to his making up tactics. She always melts when he tries to make up. So it's become a pattern, he knows how to manao her, I want her to be so so angry that she storms out of his life (temporarily). Rather than him asking her to leave his room, his van, his house, his car according to his moods😡

Gosh, I am really seething in fury today!!

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Sonu

@applenpeaches

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 13 years ago

#63

Real Motive Behind RK's Love Confession

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/71527591

Edited by applenpeaches - 13 years ago

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zoya_naziya

@zoya_naziya

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 13 years ago

#64

Originally posted by: Red_Opium
After watching today's episode, all I could think about is: Does trust gets abandoned completely upon arrival of love 😕? Please feel free to answer.

I have always admired RK's trust in Madhu; it was the essence of their relationship. When love and affection was absent, trust had a strong appearance in their relationship. It was the beautiful bond of trust that made RK open himself up to Madhu, and let her see the Rishab inside. So where was all of that trust today??? One blow from Hurricane Dipshit and the bond became a history 😲??? I'm still not certain how RK will confess his love tomorrow; promos have been misleading in the past. However, if he decides to go ahead and organize a trial for Madhu's love, he better act as fair judge and understandable jury, and not some a$$.

I'm emotionally drained due to some work projects, and today Dipali sucked whatever energy was left in me 🤢🤢🤢. Shri, I totally get your reference towards negative energy and its unlimited power, great analogy and of course wonderful reviews as always 👏.

Zoe, I reiterate that the man dealing with Dipali was Rishabh and not RK... If it was RK, he would have confidently said that main kabhi haarta nahi hoon... It was Rishabh there, that is why he said, is baar main haroonga nahi... RK trusts Madhu... But what about the wounded Rishabh? Where can he get the courage to trust anyone after having been betrayed thrice consecutively? And the point is not about trust in Madhu at all... He is not doing this to prove anything to Dipali... He is going to do (jo bhi karegaa) it for himself...

@love: The man was just starting to revel in that feeling of love... He had not even given a name to his new-found feelings. (His case was just like madhu a few days back when she was just feeling happy and bliss with what ever she was feeling without a care in the world)... But Dipali interrupted his sweet moment and very harshly termed it ishq wala love... He was unprepared for all of it and to top it all Dipzy gave a hardblow to him by reminding him about his past... He was vulnerable yet his feelings for Madhu was so strong that he defended her and went onto say that i will not lose again

@showing the Rishabh: He surely told her about his wounds but did he tell about his insecurities, fears vulnerability..He did not reveal the entire Rishabh to her... Ofc that's coz there is a right time for all of it and the time had not come for him to address those issues... He had kept it covered... He had once told that "kuch zakhmon ko dhak ke rakhna chahiye warna bhayanak roop prakat kar sakte hain" And Dipz who knows Rishabh in and out opened all the wounds and that's why uska teer seedha dil pe laga... The repercussions are yet to be seen..

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kt25

@kt25

Voyager

Posted: 13 years ago

#65

Originally posted by: applenpeaches
Real Motive Behind RK's Love Confession
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/71527591

@peach - That video was hilarious and it totally cracked me up 😆 Thank you!

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PreetD

@PreetD

Voyager

Posted: 13 years ago

#66

I'm still making my way through the thread, have to take a quick break to go eat but I really wanted to share this song with you guys. I popped the Sigh No More CD (by Mumford and Sons) into the CD player this morning on my way to work (yes, I still listen to CDs even though I could very easily just plug in the iPod lol).. Anyways I watched the episode during a break at work and then on the way home this song came on (I ADORE this song) and it made me think of Rishbala and this track. There are certain parts that would be from RK's perspective (or directed to RK) while other parts would be from Madhu's perspective.. It's another English song and this one comes with many interpretations but I chose to interpret it for our couple and found it fitting so I thought I'd share.

Please skip this post if you don't care lol

(this is a live version of the song, slightly different in sound from the studio version)

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Od0PJp6GI[/YOUTUBE]

Can you lie next to her
And give her your heart, your heart
As well as your body
And can you lie next to her
And confess your love, your love
As well as your folly
And can you kneel before the king
And say I'm clean, I'm clean

Chorus:
But tell me now, where was my fault
In loving you with my whole heart
Oh tell me now, where was my fault
In loving you with my whole heart

A white blank page and a swelling rage, rage
You did not think when you sent me to the brink, the brink
You desired my attention but denied my affections, my affections

Chorus

Lead me to the truth and I will follow you with my whole life
Lead me to the truth and I will follow you with my whole life

Edited by PreetD - 13 years ago

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Shridevi Gaddam

@0-SD-0

Rocker

+ 2

Posted: 13 years ago

#67

At home. And let me post my review before it gets too late. I finally was able do my analysis (the way I wanted it go into my blog 😊 ) and I did some of this over my commute home. So without making an ado of it, here it is.

I already had rated the episode A for its dramatic content and elements of presentation.

The presentation of the subject and his mind through use of Flashback technique

The production crew is experimenting with changes in story telling in the form of presentation. Instead of the straight linear style of narrative/presentation, they are employing the use of flashback technique to lay emphasis on what the mind is registering. The flashback technique not only provides the scope of drama through introducing suspense and thriller elements of the drama thereby ensuring that viewers stay interested and invested in the drama, it also tells us that we are seeing the point of view of the character who is having the flashback. So it is that character's thinking, mental plane and emotion rather than our take or writers's objective presentation.

The entire Rishabh Kundra's insecurities and inner fears could not have been expressed better than shown in this way. This manner in which it was shown was completely personal to Rishabh Kundra, a degree more than what we would have seen when Dipali and RK were actually talking before the audience. So possibility exists that Rishabh Kundra could have added a bit more of evil potency into Dips Bhatia and a bit more of gullibility and nervous trepidation and inner fears. Its all his thoughts. So far whatever Rishabh has shown us of his mind are all his deliberating thoughts on past events through flashbacks.

The viewers can actually reserve the benefit of doubt that things are not what Rishabh Kundra makes them of. And that also causes us to provide extreme emotional response to his self-ordained significance to his thoughts. We all had our rants at the amount of suspense we had to wait and watch the skewed weakness and viciousness of two characters.

The Beautiful scenes of the Day
The two most beautiful scenes of the day has fortunately and unfortunately Dips Bhatia in them. In the present happening event, a stronger Madhu lashes out at Dipali, in not just demanding demeanour, but being authoritative and warning in all dignified command. And in the past flashback scene we have a weak Rishabh Kundra who almost collected a tear and could not complete his threat to Dipali of ousting her out of his room; and instead he himself leaves his room, his house and his commitments to retreat into the solace of his cave to lick his wounds. Where in one scene we have simmering humiliated Dipali, in the other we have a victorious Dipali gloating and smirking.

The entertaining elements of the episode were of course Bhatias and the three bodyguards. Thoroughly enjoyed in an otherwise heavy doze episode. Enjoyed how the security personnel exposed Dips. I loved. But then I was mad at Radunce relieving them of their duty. What right she had to call off the services ??

The characters of the Day : Have been Madhu and RK.

I already expressed in my previous review. What I wanted to tell further on RK was that though I was upset at his breakdown of composure before Dipali, with those tear-filled eyes, the tear itself today tells me how much he feels from his heart that he is jinxed never to have love in his life. Once Bittuji asked why his Chief is afraid to accept happiness that comes at his doorstep. There was one reason that he cannot afford to lose himself in happiness when he is literally walks on a ground all covered by land mines (in the form of his family) and today we have another reason, that he personally feels jinxed and this negativity and pessimism won't leave him.

Rishabh and his fight with his demons

The tear in his Eye not only expressed his inner pain at his belief that he is jinxed, a belief stemming out by obeying the Lord of Dark Forces who happens to say that it is natural for not everyone to have a "mukkammal jahaan" and he is that case who is destined to have everything except what he craves for, which is love. The tear in his eye also expressed his rising anger at the coercion to believe that he is jinxed and off he sets off to prove it wrong. What Rishabh does not understand that his salvation is not in talking and heeding to the dark lord, but in avoiding it, in learning to be calm in face of its smooth tongue. However, trying to accept a challenge from the Satan and proving him wrong is sometimes called going closer to God, an act of faith to fanatical limits. May be in this manner, he will strengthen his stunted personality on emotional resolutions and responses in acceptable and moderate manner as an average adult capable of expression of his feelings without the fear of losing.

I will back in half an hour to start reading other's takes in the thread.

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kt25

@kt25

Voyager

Posted: 13 years ago

#68

@Soundarya - RK giving into Dipali really irked you haan? I totally understand your anger. I was also pissed off when he was even letting Dipali continue with her taunt of how Madhu is only after his stardom and money. Why does it matter so much to him what Dipali thinks? Does he really need her approval? What happened to his attitude and statements like "mera ghar meri marzi"? Statements like those are meant to be directed only at Madhu? He storms out of the room and decides to blow off Madhu's lunch invite, but why? Why does Dipali have such strong impact on him? He should say Madhu is my wife and I will do as I wish and should tell that she has no right to interfere in his life and the decisions he makes in his life. The more he gives weight to her rants the more she is going to plan her emotional attacks on him.

I hated the part where she was feeding crap about testing Madhu and I was happy that he gave her back saying that Madhu is not like her and is not after his money but from the looks of it he hasn't completely dealt with the demons from his past and hence his worry/fear/anguish over what history repeats itself and he gets betrayed again. He was also getting irritated of himself for letting his heart rule his mind and has exposed his vulnerable self. You know, eventhough I was angry at him for giving into Dips I just felt so sad for him for all the hurtful things that Dips said and the way she said that he will always be unlucky in love and how she kept hurting him over and over calling him RK and not Rishabh considering that he is emotionally scarred and broken. I actually wanted to reach out to him and give him a hug and say that everything will be OK as Dipali is lying through her teeth just to see him suffer and just like any other normal person who is devoid of name and fame he is also entitled for love, care and affection from someone selfless, compassionate and genuine as Madhu. It doesn't matter if he is a superstar or not, he deserves all the joys and pleasures of being in love just like anyone else and should not question his luck or wonder if he is worthy of someone like Madhu .

Edited by kt25 - 13 years ago

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zoya_naziya

@zoya_naziya

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 13 years ago

#69

For RK to embrace the feeling of love without any fear, inhibition, insecurity, etc all his past wounds need to be healed. He has kept all of his wounds conveniently closed and doesn't let anyone touch it. And we all know that Madhu's love shall be the marham for his ghaav. But marham lagaane ke liye, the wounds have to be opened up which is what we saw today.

I read somewhere in this thread that the CV's are going the cliched way of third angle/party creating MU but, who better than Dipz can reopen his wounds?... The wounds are all Rishabh's and it is only Dipz who knows Rishabh the best. And she did quite a good job of it----Jad se hila diya so that Madhu can sow it once more and nurture it properly...

We all know RK once said "RK se pyaar karna hai toh aag ka dariya hai, doob je jaana hai and main us kinare mein tumhara intezaar kar raha hoon" --- at every point she will have to go through a hell lotta pain, hurt and imtihaan...

But as Madhu slowly keeps moving towards the kinara, he shall be healed slowly. It is going to be a painstaking process for him and more so for Madhu as he has been harboring those wounds for years together.. Madhu who thinks of love as a warm,nice, happy-wala feeling is going to be brutally shattered when she learns of his definition of love but the girl is a fighter and she will not give up!

And then there is that separation fear per his song:

"Tu hai sirf meri, phir bhi na jaane, mujhe tu yeh bata dooriyan hai kyun darmiyaan"

She shall always be his and he shall never let her go away from him but yet he is asking why there is dooriyan between them-- Its going to be complicated with the pain he is going to inflict on her

It will hurt Madhu a lot but her hurt will also hurt him as he is madly in love with her.. Come what may, he shall always be the karaar in her bekaraari

And moreover, once Madhu starts understanding his insecurities, fears, it shall become easier for her to deal with him. But for that, he has to show her a part of him.. So the confession and his demands will give her an idea of the path ahead of her. And once he realizes that she is his healer, he shall slowly start opening up making it less difficult for her...

In short, Madhu will become the sherni to protect Rishabh and RK will protect Madhu from evil forces..

RK-Madhu is like shama parwana to some extent, Madhu shall always get burnt but still she will go near him...

There is always light at the end of the tunnel peeps, so sit back and enjoy the roller-coaster drama. Most importantly , the CV's have handled the story very well till now. Despite following cliches, they have tried to handle it very differently or else have justified it with strong reasons... So have faith in CV's...

P.S: I don't really know if I have conveyed properly and coherently what I have in mind but as Preet says, it makes a lot of sense to me in my head..

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Manonidz

@Manonidz

Stunner

+ 4

Posted: 13 years ago

#70

Nice review Priya

Though I understand RK's insecurities, I wonder knowing that Dips is the same woman who tried to poison his wife last week, he allowed her to even open her mouth, forget what she wants to question!!!! He should have thrown her own right away instead of listening to her!!. It was so out of RK real character, ...Ideally he should have been extra guarded in front of Dips, but he was defenseless. He had reasons of defending Madhu, but in front of Dips, all failed. It seems RK's trust on Madhu or may be somewhere on his jinxed life covered his mental acumen. I dread saying this but this woman has the tenacity to use RK against Madhu if she knows how and where to hit him so cleanly. RK in reality is feeding serpents in his house, who someday might hurt him as well as Madhu big time.

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