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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: KavitaDR

Human evolution favours both good and bad traits. Why is it then that we cannot accept that Seema would have earned the right to lay claim to Dutta's affection after her careful ministrations over what would, undoubtedly, constitute one of the rockiest patches in his life? Has she not been caring enough braving dangers, giving up a lucrative "occupation" to embrace a life with a measure of dignity which is for sure going to be fraught with a threatening menace in the form of Chaskar from now on? Could Seema's right or rather her wish to start life afresh with Dutta be commensurate with Nakusha's sacrifice in the sense that she has saved his life in such dramatic circumstances that she has, fully, earned the redemption and forgiveness that she set out for. Fact is that Dutta's outright statement to limit her action to a sense of gratitude that he feels is commendable, and speaks volumes for the sea change that Nakusha's love may have achieved in his life but also the fact that his total helplessness post his accident has, in actuality, completed Nakusha's contribution or rather his perception of her contribution towards his transformation from an animal to a human being in the real sense.

This is a burning topic and it is by no means an attempt to defend Seema in any way. I have been quite voluble in my thread, "Dutta's virtuous hatred V/S Seema's enchantment" as to where my sympathies lie for Dutta's ex-girlfriend not to be misunderstood here. I have been one of the staunchest believers right from the day Seema came back that she is dubious, not in the sense that she is out to do harm necessarily, but rather, that she set out on this journey seeking redemption and forgiveness with an ulterior motive which she finally admitted to Dutta today, that is to be given a place in the latter's life. There is nothing wrong in the pursuit of happiness as all human beings err and should be given a chance to reform. The only difference being that her pursuit of happiness should not have been limited to a selfish need where it is once again a question of ME, ME, ME all over again. Seema's meeting with a grievously injured and unconscious Dutta was pure FATE but it was too late for her as she had succumbed her persona to a lifestyle which has over the years pervaded her understanding of reality and her own aspirations to the point that she cannot see beyond herself. Yet, another narcissistic character we could have done without. We kept shouting on the forum ever since she was crash-landed in LTL 5 weeks back as to the reasons why CVs needed to bring her back in Dutta's life.

Today's episode gave us the answer. It was important for Dutta to establish once and for all the difference between the pursuit of happiness for selfish gains or negative motivations as shown in Seema's endeavour by the way she embraces the whole idea of becoming the impaired Dutta's saviour. We would have been more amenable and ready for some form of empathy towards her if she had taken steps to inform Dutta's family of his whereabouts straight away as she was not at that point aware of the dangers that Dutta faced and would have earned brownie points. And as soon as she was made aware of the tragic circumstances of Dutta's accident, she chose to latch on the opportunity to lay claim to a place in the latter's life. I would hate to be so uncharitable as to say that all that was mere calculations, but let it suffice that she did not come clear. She could sense Dutta's revulsion towards her; she could make out the presence of another person in Dutta's life through his phone calls and yet did not stop to think for even one second that she may be treading No-Man's land. Part of that was due to her personal delusion or delusional enchantment as I chose to term it at length in my earlier thread on Dutta and Seema. I could have felt sorry for her today, especially, when DSP tells her that he is content with forgiving her and thanking her for all that she has done for him but that determined, undefined look of pained yet resilient shock that we got to see sound ominous. She will surely turn negative at some point as she would have been scorned this time even after having gone through the pains of someone she loved once and for whom she has sacrificed a life full of luxuries and male adulation (albeit immoral) to set on her journey of redemption with Dutta.

In contrast, Nakusha's pursuit of happiness as shown through Dutta's flashbacks of the koyal and the Gori Naku all points to Dutta's vision of his wife as a model of virtue, moral strength, healing and patience, who had but one objective. That of ensuring that Dutta be happy in all circumstances to the point of negating her personality, submitting herself to mental as well as physical torture at the the hands of the saviour/friend/husband/foe that she idolised, irrespective of any circumstances. CVs would have successfully and finally compelled Dutta to realise during this track that when it came to his friend/wife/foe/moralist in his life, Nakusha, only ever had positive motivations which was his well-being and happiness above all. Seema never stood a chance and this track was needed to establish the fact that life experiences that induce positive emotions cause negative emotions (which Dutta still had up to his near fatal accident) to disappear quickly. Nakusha's strengths, love and virtues became the buffer against his misfortune and saved him from lapsing into a psychological trauma that his visual impairment would have automatically offset for a man who needs all his senses to survive in the merciless world of crime. It was his wife's positive traits that were the key to him building up enough resilience to the point that he just rebelled against his physical disability to, rigorously, start planning his rehabilitation. He made a start last Thursday by killing four men ("his ex-bodyguards") in cold blood before taking the lead in his and Seema's escape from the house in Dongarwari.

I would love to expand further on the contrast between Seema's and Nakusha's motivations but that may have to wait for another thread. I would like to conclude on the need for Dutta/Nakusha and Seema particularly to realise that in life, one should take special care with endings whatever be the circumstances, as its colours and its timings as Dutta reminds Seema today (and that is not a dig at Colors'.please as we still want them to give bucket loads of Tasha before embarking on other twists) will always tinge and impact on the memory of their relationships and any willingness to re-enter it. Dutta and Nakusha should now be shown as to being fully aware of the immeasurable second/third chances of happiness that life would have given to them once again whilst Seema will have to be shown as reflecting on why she should be content with the fact that she has finally gained what she originally set out for: redemption and forgiveness that Dutta pledged to her today. Unfortunately, I still do not trust the CVs as to the possible orientations they may have in mind for Seema in future tracks. For now we would be happy to see the Love that has been denied on screen for so long between Tasha.

And now time for the accolades....Brillant, brillant, brillant Mishal Raheja again👏👏👏. What more epithets to add to this actor's perfect timing and sensitivity for a character that he makes us pine for every hour of the day, seven days a week. It is a pity once again that Praneeta Sahu just does not measure up to his talent and deprive us of epic proportions that we would have seen in cinematic delivery on TV.
Would love to hear your comments and do press on the like button if I have not taxed your patience as usual.😊

PS: I will try my best to respond ASAP to your comments but do bear with me if I cannot get back during the day as my schedules are becoming more punitive these days. But feel free to debate on Seema as she will be rousing diverging emotions for a while yet😭 😳



What an awsome post Kavita 👏! I really enjoyed reading it, and I just loved @ pink portions in particular. Infact you havent left much for anyone else to say 😆. A very well written post.

I agree with you totally, and for me there is no misunderstanding of the intention of your post, I clearly understand that you are not trying to 'support' Seema here, but it IS a fact that she HAS contributed quite a lot to Dutta in such a CRUCIAL point in his life, especially at the expense of EVERYTHING she owned. As you said, this might undoubtedly be one of the most rockiest patches in Dutta's life, as being physically disabled amidst great danger is not something even a SHER can easily confront. But he was able to survive and overcome it to a great extent, thanks to Seema (whatever her intention behind it might be). But today, at the end of the day, Seema is left as a woman who has TOTALLY lost everything in life - her 'dhandha', her Chachaji, hopes and dreams of uniting with Dutta, EVERYTHING. This ONE day has brought an end to EVERYTHING that was hers, or was desired by her.

Though we can sympathise with her, but at the same time the truth is that eventually people just get what they deserve. Nakku is any day more deserving of Dutta, as you mentioned, due to her selfless love and deeds towards him. This also proves the cosmic law that 'Good people suffer in the short run, to be blessed with life long of happiness, whereas bad people enjoy in the short run to be hit by bitter realities in the long run.' Nakku and Seema are perfect examples of former and latter, respectively. If Seema is suffering today, it is bcos of her BAD karma, and if Nakku-Dutta are rewarded with each other, it is because of THEIR respective GOOD karmas. But as they say, 'selfless deeds have the power to REDUCE karma and its after-effects, if not totally ELIMINATE it', this is exactly what is happening with Seema. Having stood by needy Dutta at such a critical point in his life, the intensity of her bad karma has definitely reduced. Even though her deserving level is not such that to be rewarded with the ULTIMATE gift named 'Dutta', atleast she has been eventually rewarded an opportunity for repentence, thereby EARNING his forgivance. She deserved this reward, she got it, but nothing more than that does she deserve. So now she should be content that she atleast got Dutta's forgivance. This would definitely have reduced a big burden from her heart, that she has been carrying with her all these years, in the form of guilt and regret for what she had done to Dutta years back.


Edited by *dewdrop~pearl* - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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My Dear Kavita🤗
Now where shall i begin,U have wrote it all....U are brillant writer and analyzer👏👍🏼....I here by understand that this post was not to support seema.....
Seema helped dutta in very tough times of his life ....in return dutta has forgiven her for what she did with him 10 yrs back......Iam not feeling sorry for seema coz U reap what u sow...
Now times have changed ...she can"t expect to be dutta"s life just coz she saved.......
iam happy that dutta showed her reality ,,,that he loves someone else and he has no place for her in his life......
Naku is most deserving woman for dutta in all means.....her love is pure and she has proved it from very beginning ...she has loved from day one without wanting anything return.....Now i just Cvs to focus more on tasha😍......
For now i don"t want anyone coming btw tasha .....this was really a long awaited reunion.....we defienetly some air to breath ...some romance.....some happy moments ,,,,,,😃Lets see what comes our way😉
Thanx alot for the wonderful post and PM.....u always rock yaar .....👏.......
Love and hugs
suhana🤗

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hi Kavita,

from another pov, Seema expects too much from datta, instead of accepting thank you, she wants whole Datta himself, both of them have undergone many changes in their respective life, she made Dattabhau out of a simple man, Naku's love & sacrifices changed him. It was love that changed D 7 years back & now because of Naku's love he is able to survive, come out of inner darkness. Seema became Chanda, due to her greed for money & now again want's to become Seema to get herself out of her current state.Naku is the power, light in D's life,that got him out of the darkness.Seema too needs a strong power to change, she thinks D is that strength, but as D said time that is passed can not return. Now he can only thank her,for saving his life, but can not accept her back in his life. Love & betrayal had motivated D 7 years back, now he has come out of darkness of betrayel, only love is the driving force of his life. Geed & selfishness had Changed Seema 7 years back, she is still the same, only wanting to get out of her miserable life, by using D.
Minakshi.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: fuzzyface

Very nice Kavita.

I am not a fan of Seema's character but I can understand her POV in some ways. She is still clinging to the past and hoping it will come back but Dutta has told her that it can never be. Dutta has also told her he has another love. I think now she does understands what was can never be and it will never be. It was her lost but Naku's gain in the sense Dutta found himself and love once again.

In many ways the fact Seema chose her path of destruction has made her realise even more what a mistake she had done everyday. The only person who did love her probably without any ulterior motive was Dutta. Her yearning these past years has taught her how valuable the love she had with Dutta, so when the opportunity presented itself (saving Dutta), she tght this was life giving her another chance at her one true love. But Seema's one true love is now no longer and she needs to come to terms with that.
We as humans always cling to the past especially when we love someone in our life, we are constantly looking that the next person is like the person whom we have loved. It is very hard to get over 'the one', so in Seema's case when 'the one' came back, she tght here is my chance again. I won't fault her for that we all do it when had liked someone so much, we always want the person we are with to be just like them, so what is so wrong of trying to get back what you have lost?

However what Nakku has with Dutta is so unique, unexpected and pure. Naku doesn't have any expectations from Dutta and she will fight the world for him even if it means losing herself. There is no way we can compare Seema with Nakusha as they are world's apart. Naku has taken baby steps and each step has been selfless with an aim to ensure Dutta has love in his heart not only for her but himself. This is what makes Naku stand out because she had made Dutta love himself and in that love,she has made him love her too. It's a full circle.

Dear Fuzzy,

Sorry, I could not get back to your post yesterday and I guess that I would be better equipped to add to your comments after watching today's episode where we would hope to catch a glimpse of Seema's expression after witnessing what we should probably term the meeting of two loving souls and try to gauge the degree to which Seema may still have a negativity bias in her mental disposition and to what extent she would have developed a greater sensitivity for bad news.

Her actions up to now, whether it came to caring for Dutta, or lending a helping hand to Nakusha, a perfect stranger she befriended in the temple or the resilience with which she responded to the different crises ever since she offered to shield Dutta from the dangers, all point to the fact that the hardships that ten years of living a tainted life of a courtesan has allowed her to develop an altruistic streak unlike the opportunist Seema we saw rejecting the young Dutta.

Unfortunately that positivity or altruistic streak which was by no means deceptive has not helped her regain the happiness she now craves her and her plea to God to help her find a little place in Dutta's life will not be answered. You have mentioned Seema as clinging to her past in your post, I would interprete it as her attempt to put at rest the demons that have plagued her ever since and who better than the person she loved. There was nothing wrong with that. The real test for the redemption that she has now earned starts now and I would love to watch the CVs making a concerted effort to show if Seema would be heavily influenced by downbeat news and turn negative or whether she has really evolved as a person despite this selfish insistence to let go finally and wish Dutta and Nakusha happiness at last. I would somehow like to see that as I would not want to go back to the point of hating Seema again.

And mind you, I am not being the Devil's advocate. It is just a very neutral POV, and very much inspired by the very considerate yet firm neutrality with which we saw Dutta dealing with the very thorny issue of Seema's emotions.😳
Luv,

Kavita 😳

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Posted: 14 years ago
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QUOTE=fuzzyface]Very nice Kavita.

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We as humans always cling to the past especially when we love someone in our life, we are constantly looking that the next person is like the person whom we have loved. It is very hard to get over 'the one', so in Seema's case when 'the one' came back, she tght here is my chance again. I won't fault her for that we all do it when had liked someone so much, we always want the person we are with to be just like them, so what is so wrong of trying to get back what you have lost?

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Seema clinging to dutta with the hope that she can get back in his life is childish. She is selfish to the point of turning negative if things dont go her way. She is not learnt the lesson even now.😒 She is accepting that she has made mistakes in the past but forgets that dutta also has a life of his own nd he is fighting his own battles. She never bothered to find out what he wanted or what his life was. Only if she finds out she will let him go nd be ever grateful that dutta atleast forgave her. One cannot command respect u have to earn it.
Dear Bharati,
Apologies for coming back so late. I beg to differ on Seema being childish. She is very much a mature woman who only tried to regain lost grounds after having learnt the hardest lessons that life could possibly mete out to anyone who makes irrational decisions which end up destroying many lives. As to not having bothered to find out what Dutta wanted or what his life was, we have to give her some credit for not stressing out someone who was so critically ill. And please do not misconstrue my post as being a form of defence for Seema. That was not the object of this thread in the first place but rather looking at a different perspective of things that were never meant to be anyway.
We are now happy to see TaSha united and just hope that Seema will be eventually shown as someone who will appreciate the forgiveness that she sought and was given to her so graciously by Dutta. I, definitely, do not want her to turn negative as it would be discrediting LTL's essence which has time and again tried o give us a different perspective of human behaviour.
Luv,
Kavita😳
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Yuvika_15

thanks for PM... very nice post...u covered all points...well done!

for me, right from day 1 of the news of seema's entry, i was positive tht she wil turn negative at sum point, bt since tht day up until nw, she's been positive n wntin 2 help dutta... bt i am sure they may well turn her negative...bt if the whole point of the track was the conclusion they gave in ydays epi, then i feel seema shud bid a final goodbye as u rightly sed she gt wt she originally set out for...n tht was a forgiveness from dutta, n mayb this track wil b considered very impt in terms of dutta closing the final link 2 his past n in REAL terms moving on in life... many say tht 2 fully move on in life, one mus let bygones be bygones and learn 2 forgive...u may nt 4gt it, bt forgiving will help u move on n the person whom u r forgiving move on 2... i think this cud b the best closure dutta can giv 2 his past... forgiving the person who turned him into a monster, n giving her the prayer tht she finds happiness like he has... with tht closure, dutta wil neva look bk after this point... becos as i sed, after forgiving seema he wil in REAL terms b moving on... no past deceits n pains attached... n thts summut dutta needed 2 do... becos til date sumwer down the line, dutta was unable 2 let go of his past (seema) becos as he mentioned 2 seema wen he didnt knw she was seema, tht her voice reminds him of tht 1 person whom he tries to forget, but in some way/form she always comes bk... mayb this wnt happen from nw on becos he has forgiven seema n holds no grudges, he feels nothing bt a sense of gratitude for her saving his life...b4 their was hatred, bt nw he doesnt feel anything n this wil help him move on...bt as u mentioned CVs may wel wna turn her negative as their may b mre to it in terms of storylines if they turn her negative bt if so thn LTL wil b so like the other shows on TV...after watching ydays epi, m reali hpin seema's exit tkes place in the next few epis for gd n she doesnt return... turning her negative wil reali make LTL very similar 2 other shows..n thts summut LTL neva does...its known for being unique n dif from other shows so i reali hpe she leaves for gd n doesnt return.
wen comparing naku n seema's love for dutta (altho i stil believe seema neva loved dutta n doesnt knw, she jus feels tht she has been punished for hurting sum1 tht loved him...i wudnt call her feelings love 2bh) anyway naku faced so much torture from dutta b4 FR n after FR, bt stil she neva once complained, instead quietly n patiently let him vent out his frustration n anger becos her neva ending faith in her Bappa gave her the strength 2 deal with it...she was sure tht one day her innocence wil b proven n dutta wil realise her worth... i recall wen she sed 2 jagtap, tht she loves dutta bt neva once wntd him 2 love her bk---tht was a thrt tht neva crossed her mind, she always wntd his happiness---this is summut tht sets her so apart from seema--seema on the other hand in ydays epi wntd dutta 2 love her bk becos she cnt love ne1 else like she loves him... the sme thing applies 2 naku, bt did eva naku mention tht 2 dutta... NO! becos for naku, love is all abt sacrifice n letting her true love b with sum1 else if tht wer his true happiness lies... wer as for seema, she jus wntd 2 b a part of D's life, so tht she doesnt hav 2 b chanda nemre... i dno y bt i feel she onli wntd D's forgiveness n acceptance so tht she cud stop being Chanda n b Seema agen...as in quit being a kothewali n becum a respectable gharwali... thts all... n for me..thts very selfish....evn in mandir, wer the pandit sed tht if u prayer here, ur prayers b accepted...nw if she truly loved dutta she wud hav prayed tht his eye sight returns n he becums alright, instead she prayed tht dutta forgives her n accepts her so tht she can go bk 2 her old life... 2 me tht was very selfish on her behalf--if she claims 2 b wt she is....a true lover---who loves dutta 2 the core thn she shud hav prayed for him..bt evn in her prayers n wen speaking 2 chacha abt nt informing D's family abt his existence it was al ME ME ME...I...I...I... i dont wanna lose him, I love him, I might become Seema agen....evrythin was 2 do with her ALONE...n 2 me thts nt Love...in Love everything is focussed around seeing ur loved one happy mre thn urself, putting his happiness b4 ur own, n evn letting him go if thts wer his happiness lies... pyar karna aur uska izhar karna bohat asaan hota hai magar pyar ko nibhana bohat mushqil...aur naku ne pyar karne ke saath saath, pyar nibhaya bhi...she is the one n sole true lover of dutta... n vice versa... seema doesnt stand a chance...becos if naku's love is selfless, seema's love is selfish

Hi Yuvika,
Sorry for the delayed response. You made a good job of summarising my long thread in a very unique style and basically encompassed or expanded on aspects that I just grazed on as I did have to limit the already bulging length. The only point I would defer on would be the fact that Seema never loved the young Dutta. That is, perhaps, not just, as understanding love and its complexities is always hard, especially, when you are very young. This is why human being, normally, regret their losses after gaining some form of self-realisation of what life could have been as so aptly shown in Dutta's own story.
And therein, lies Seema's tragedy. Unfortunately, time caught up with her and she was to be denied the ultimate emotions when she has, finally, learnt to appreciate life and its small ordinary pleasures.
Would like to see you on my thread more often. I have to confess that reading the short forms of many words as utilised by you and many others on the forum is a novelty for me as I tend to stick to the classic form yet. I may never even get to grip with that.....I'm by no means ancient though😆😆😳
Kavita
Edited by KavitaDR - 14 years ago
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Hi Kavita
i know i am visiting this post so late...but since monday i have been in two minds about seema's character...when a post came out that questioned it seema would betray Dutta..i said i want her to stay positive...The reason being that she is the reason why Dutta is Dutta according to him and everyone else too..but i have thought long about this....seriously long...since anu reddy's post about AS failing as a mother and not stopping him from taking up this path and profession..

For one second lets think abjectly...Does everyone betrayed in love take up arms and assassination as a means to earn money....If so our world will littered with such youths...No..not everyone is as volatile and extreme in emotion like Dutta...Many are but not all....I suppose when she betrayed him she couldn't have imagined the repercussion.. tHis doesn't absolve her of her selfishness...but she not the sole reason..of dutta's walk in the world of crime..she was the push..yes..I believe Dutta has always had that hotheaded, ruthless steak that is probably inheritant in patils(according to AS and also the history...See DP,SP and kala as well)..Now if now when seema has found him again...if she thinks she might rekindle those emotions again..it might seem height of impudence on her part to us...but this seema she probably just knows the Dutta who was the loverboy and not the man he is now....She might think that old Dutta might accept her love her...afterall he was ready to do everything for her...then..
I have noticed that seema has this thing about her...an airhead quality we call it....in some practical and crucial cases her brain works great...remember how she put Dutta under bed,punctured suds tyres..and today that Gun totting to help Tasha...in extreme crucial situation she displays gr8 sense..but in matters of heart and emotion she displays totall naivety..almost idiocy...maybe thats how her character is build..She wants to start new life with the man she thinks had loved her trully...i see nothing bad in it....when she asked goddess for little place in his heart..i didn't find that odd either...just plain sad....She knows in her heart that Dutta cannot be hers...but she still hopes to find a little niche for her in his heart..today when she realized Dutta and nakku are married and she remembered how much they love each other she accepted that she can never compete to that love..She accepted defeat...but she stood up and helped them selflessly..I wanted to applaud her...she proved that all my hopes were fulfilled....Dutta needs this selfless act of hers...it will help him heal himself...some scars of that betrayal are still there ...this act will heal those too..

today i applaud seema and hope that CVs don't twist her character and make her fall from this grace for a twisted tale of triangle...let the character bow out...gracefully,selflessly and honestly...

as i have said if seema is positive then it will even out the balance of good and evil in this show...anna n subhu..morey and babi...kala and AS...suds and Baaji....old seema and new seema....

let the equation stay so..
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Rama, Suhana, Aparna and Shilpita, Minakshi....

I got carried away yet again...Will get back to your posts and post comments later.
Luv,
Kavita😳

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