Naku's moral strength against Seema's motivations - Page 3

Originally posted by: KavitaDR

Dear Pooja,

Thank you for the thumbs up. My I congratulate you on your BOTD that I sometimes miss because of time....sounds stunted but it is true.

To come back to your post, yes, did notice all the expressions and the undercurrents playing at the back of her mind. But you never know, this is LTL land and she may just disappear off the face of our TV like so many others since last year who had the potential of making this show a full-lown saga that would have warranted at least two years of viewing (keeping in mind all the dragfests).

Very true,that is what separates LTL from others despite all the dragfasts.

Now to come back to the forgiveness issue, let me differ with your views. It is important for every human being be able to forgive and be forgiven. Let the great powers that be, God, Nature, Time decide as who should and should not be forgiven. I, personally, do not feel generous when it comes to Seema because of her attempted encroachment on Dutta per se but I do feel that she should be able to rid herself of all the negativity that she has accumulated over the ten years after rejecting Dutta. As a woman, I can only sense her disgust at being mauled, pawed by perfect strangers in her quest for an ephemeral happpiness which in her case was purlely material in the beginning. As a fellow woman, we should encourage anybody who has decided to give up on a life of "sin" and redeem.
@Bold : Absolutely agree on this part.
I agree that she indeed deserves a second chance at happiness.As a woman i have full sympathy towards her & if she indeed want to leave that path,then i am really happy for her.I cann't even imagine what girls like her go thru.

However, she should have known that her redemption cannot, possibly, be achieved by encroaching or appropriating another person's happiness. Seema losing to Nakusha's selflessness for Dutta was never an issue. Seema had ceased being part of any equation in his life a long time ago and this the reason we love Dutta. He may be flawed, he may have anger management issues, he may not trust but he is straightforward, loyal and honest to himself and anyone he takes in his fold.
Absolutely right,the thing that irks me is even in her redemption she is selfish.She is not just satisfied with maafi ,she crave for more.She is only thinking of her personal hell which she had to go thru but what about dutta.The path he chose & the blood he shed is equally horrid for him.In that way,it was dutta's personal hell which broke him completely from inside,made him stonehearted where he lost faith in god,people,everything.There is nothing wrong if she still loves him but to expect the reciprocation of love is a bit too much.How can she imagine that his life is still at that stage where she left him?
For me Seema & nakusha are two different poles.I am in noway comparing the goodness or bad thing between the two becaz both of them have dealt with different situations in their life which made them what they are today.
I also partly agree with fuzz here,that first love is very difficult to forget,so i can understand why seema is stuck there.

It was painful hearing Dutta humbly, almost gentle, giving her a great a valuable lesson of life about the importance of time and the need for every human being to pay reverence to the positive impact of effective time management. This sound very academic but Time has academic, moral, and endemic values that one should appreciate to be able to lead a happy life. Dutta hs forgiven her and even said his gratitude for all that Seema has done for him and it would be a credit to the CVs if they were to consider giving Seema a really positive spin off LTL. For the sake of many cases of misguided women in real life, I would love seeing someone fully redeemed and happy to embrace life wih hope for a positive future. That would then allow characters like Seema earn a place in society.
even i was pleasantly surprised when dutta wished her a happy life & that she also finds someone who will love her.But,as he said nobody can turn the wheel of time.so,she should try & accept the fact that dutta has moved on & found someone whom he really loves ,so she should feel happy for his sake if she really love him.If she does that,then i guess she also will be able to move on.

As to Nakusah, she has got enough fans on the forum but the one thing that jars is that level of selflessness to the point of being God like. And I do not feel comfortable with that. Good and bad is what makes a responsible human being.
I like nakku but i am no die-hard fan of hers,becaz even like u i cann't accept complete white or complete black.
IMO every human being carries grey characters becaz if that's not the case then there is no diff between human & god.It is our flaws & rectification of those flaws thruout our life only makes us human.
I am not saying these type of people don't exist in real world,but i have so far not come across someone like nakku.
But,in the fairy tale that our LTL is for flawed dutta ,selfless nakku is a perfect match.

All said and done...let us see the "surprises" that CVs spring on us now. So back to your MG and Baby MG. Will read your thread that you have ighlighted later.

Even i am waiting to be pleasently surprised by cv's.😊

Luv,

Kavita😊

Originally posted by: fuzzyface

Very nice Kavita.

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We as humans always cling to the past especially when we love someone in our life, we are constantly looking that the next person is like the person whom we have loved. It is very hard to get over 'the one', so in Seema's case when 'the one' came back, she tght here is my chance again. I won't fault her for that we all do it when had liked someone so much, we always want the person we are with to be just like them, so what is so wrong of trying to get back what you have lost?

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thanks for PM... very nice post...u covered all points...well done!

Originally posted by: KavitaDR

I have been one of the staunchest believers right from the day Seema came back that she is dubious, not in the sense that she is out to do harm necessarily, but rather, that she set out on this journey seeking redemption and forgiveness with an ulterior motive which she finally admitted to Dutta today, that is to be given a place in the latter's life.

Indeed. She did. This is something that is clear from the very moment that she returns on the show. Despite her prayers and the support that she gives Naku, the presence of that ulterior motive was that of an elephant in a room. It couldn't be ignored. It is also what made me hesitate so much in trying in all honesty to feel some level of sympathy for her character. In the scene where Dutta finds out that she is, in fact, Seema - she jumped right into telling him her tragic story. It irked me, because here you're meeting the man whose life you ruined completely after ten years, and still you're focusing on your own pain and tragedy? I felt that she should've apologized for what she'd done instantaneously. That she should've focused solely on that rather than putting herself, her own "punishment/past" in focus.

There is nothing wrong in the pursuit of happiness as all human beings err and should be given a chance to reform. The only difference being that her pursuit of happiness should not have been limited to a selfish need where it is once again a question of ME, ME, ME all over again.

True. There's nothing wrong in the pursuit of happiness. Human beings do err and, yes, they should be given a chance to reform. But like you said, what motivates Seema is her own selfish needs. This is bound to break her at some point. If her intentions were as selfish as they seem, then upon losing the thing that she has struggled to gain (not that she ever had it in the first place), the possibility of her remaining positive is slim. Had it not been selfishness that drove her, then she might've been able to turn Dutta words around and be happy for him. The man whose life she destroyed has found happiness in its entirety. He had regained his humanity. Shouldn't that matter more to her than her own happiness, her own needs?

Seema's meeting with a grievously injured and unconscious Dutta was pure FATE but it was too late for her as she had succumbed her persona to a lifestyle which has over the years pervaded her understanding of reality and her own aspirations to the point that she cannot see beyond herself. Yet, another narcissistic character we could have done without. We kept shouting on the forum ever since she was crash-landed in LTL 5 weeks back as to the reasons why CVs needed to bring her back in Dutta's life.

I think that Seema is the typical femme fatale. She might've matured over the past ten years, but she's still - in a sense - where Dutta left her. Like you said, she has adopted a lifestyle that only calls for those characteristics in her that became her fall in the first place. Manipulating men with her beauty, seducing them for money, being bold and simply living a life that shouldn't be lived by any woman. The problem, I think, is that we don't get to see how much of it was her own choice and how much of it was the consequence of her actions (betraying Dutta).

We would have been more amenable and ready for some form of empathy towards her if she had taken steps to inform Dutta's family of his whereabouts straight away as she was not at that point aware of the dangers that Dutta faced and would have earned brownie points. And as soon as she was made aware of the tragic circumstances of Dutta's accident, she chose to latch on the opportunity to lay claim to a place in the latter's life. I would hate to be so uncharitable as to say that all that was mere calculations, but let it suffice that she did not come clear. She could sense Dutta's revulsion towards her; she could make out the presence of another person in Dutta's life through his phone calls and yet did not stop to think for even one second that she may be treading No-Man's land.

Indeed. In all this, it was obvious that Dutta didn't trust her completely. He told her what was necessary to tell her about his "special someone", but he made it very clear that he couldn't trust her entirely. I think that alone speaks for the possibility of her turning negative sometime in the future. Not alone didn't she regain the man that she once loved, she also hasn't regained his trust entirely.

Something that I cannot seem to believe is that she truly loves Dutta. I still believe that she is in love with the idea of him, of the love and adoration that he once showered her with. Having lived a life where men used her (and she used them in return), the idea of regaining the kind of love Dutta had for her becomes naturally desirable. Seema's character is the personification of some of the most raw human conditions or traits, I think. Greediness, selfishness, the desire to have back what was once hers...

In the end, if any of those traits are allowed to dominate, then she is surely to fall once again. I think that a woman like Seema is easily overpowered by such conditions.

And now time for the accolades....Brillant, brillant, brillant Mishal Raheja again👏👏👏. What more epithets to add to this actor's perfect timing and sensitivity for a character that he makes us pine for every hour of the day, seven days a week.

When does Mishal ever disappoint us? 😉 😃

Hi Kavi

But unfortunately I don't think I have the time today to actually respond back in great detail as it is a very interesting topic..

Just a few lines though... for me Seema is a flawed character just like Dutta, but dutta is a virtuously flawed character unlike Seema. Do I make sense in saying seema is also trying to redeem herself. Pls no brick bats.. but if you think for a moment from her view point, I do feel pity for her. She had no clue about dutta having Naku in his life and when she saw her old love, is she not human to even hope of getting back together with him for a life they had once dreamt together? I know her reasons are selfish, but she is human at the end of the day.. Most of us try to achieve things in order to see that ourselves and our families are happy.. she was also trying to achieve that one thing she is craving for today..unlike nakku who never asked or wanted for anything..but that is naku, very one dimensional and straight..i have always felt that nku on her own doesn't brighten up my screen, she needs Dutta to vring that spark.. she is daal without tadka if Dutta is not with her..he brings out the best in her..

And Mishal.. what can I say.. I have no words to describe the talent this young man has :) truly a privilege to watch and cherish the moment he comes on screen! He lights up the screen with his screen presence like no one else! One of the best moments for me was when his face changes from absolute pain to happiness when the FB's of him hurting Naku slowly change to FB's of his nice times with Naku.. hats off..

Hey Vandu,

No need to say Sorry, it is always a pleasure to read your detailed posts to different threads or FF that I know you have read with lots of interest. Thank you for the compliment and it is my absolute adoration for Dutta like so many others that keep me posted on the only non-fiction forum. Such is the magic of Dutta and LTL. I shudder at the thought of the show ever winding down or MR leaving. Who am I going to deconstruct?😕

To come back to your post, right you are about both Seema and Dutta being flawed and as you highlighted and as detailed in my last thread, what keeps Dutta above all the murkiness is the nature of an angel who got lost in burning hell and had to, consequently, don sin's own armour in his quest for an escape route. He kept stumbling for many years until he met God's own angel in the form of Nakusha to tear him away from the raging fire. The test is not over yet but will hopefully soon be if I am to go by the update on today's episode, we should see some happy moments in their lives soon. (Amen)