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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: mahalaxmik

I guess I am letting the off screen drama ruin the on screen drama for me.

I should shrug it off and enjoy the drama while it lasts in its entirety.
Thank you guys for bringing that to my notice. I shall try not to rain on the parade.😊


Hey, please don't feel that you are doing so because I did not mean anything like that 😊 I know we are all confused, worried and strung out over this issue, but finding its mention in multiple threads in the forum gets very frustrating too...especially if one is trying to ignore it...it's worse only to see that good episodes are being chalked up in the assassination column because they are in the shadow of other unknown issues. Anyhow, it would be great to read your comments on the episodes too, so if you'd like, do share them 😊
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@ Srush
Hun, I do try to enjoy the good things in the episodes - for instance, I very much enjoyed the scene between Kala and her mother - but the issue, for me, is that the mistakes are more overpowering than the good things. If these mistakes were simple mistakes, small and insignificant mistakes, then I would've been able to overlook them and enjoy the overall episodes. But the thing is that it's obvious that the mistakes are results of carelessness. The problem is that, in my opinion, these mistakes are coming close to not only assassinating strong characters, but also resulting in the scenes with Tasha in becoming anything but intense or powerful.
It seems to me that the new director doesn't know the actors and the characters very well. In fact, it seems that he doesn't know them at all. It's my personal belief that Dutta can be vulnerable, but never weak. He may have lost his eyesight. He may feel alone and vulnerable. But when among people that he cannot trust, he would never let them steer him around. He would never end up on a fan while trying to escape Chaskar. Clearly, the director had no sense of his character or the fact that it would look completely stupid and irrational that a blind Dutta would've climbed up on a fan. This was a major blooper. However, hilarious, it was annoying as well.
Srush, they've been dragging this whole deal with blind Dutta for weeks now. Yes, Dutta did falter for a while when he realized that he was shrouded in utter darkness, but Dutta's vulnerability has always been turned into hell-fury and aggressiveness. By now, he would be back in control, even as a blind person. He would be telling Seema and Chacha what to do, but instead it seems that he has no plan at all. He's just letting them take him wherever they want. He could be walking into a trap for all he cared. He should at least be shown planning something.
Even as blind, he wouldn't be sitting in the car like a good boy while Seema and Chacha went out. He would need the air, to move around and get rid of the restlessness. If he sensed something about the behosh girl in the backseat and she fell forward, he wouldn't just push her back against the seat, but go into the backseat and try to see if he could wake her up. He would do something, because he's Dutta. In my opinion, the whole scene in the car was shot wrong. Dutta should've been in the backseat and instead of Naku's hand landing on his shoulder - awkwardly - they just could've shot the scene in a more intense and logical way. For instance by having her head landing on his shoulder as they were side by side in the backseat. The thing is that the scene lacked most of the emotions that Tasha scenes usually awaken in me whenever they're in a scene together.
Now as for the editing glitches... I'm sure there have been a couple of editing glitches in the history of LTL before, but recently those glitches have been happening too often, even the music seems wrong and out of character at times. The crew behind these things used to focus on even the smallest of all details pre-February. Now it just feels like they quickly put together an episode and out to the audiences. They're not handling them with much care.
The glitches, the awkward music cuts, the directing, the lack of focus on Dutta when he's actually present in an episode, the Naku's dream sequences inside Dutta's head, Dutta just sitting there and letting people take him anywhere - and most importantly, the way they haven't focused on his restlessness regarding the sleeping girl in the backseat. They could've done so much with that scene, yet they decided not to. I feel like they're purposely trying to ruin it, or just being careless because they have other plans now.
Mishal performs so beautifully, yet they don't capture it the way that they used to. With focus on his impulsive movements and small details in his performance. They just edit it wrongly and present to us a poor episode. I'm sorry, but that's how I feel. Compared to episodes from as close as just December, these February episodes are close to a complete disaster. The actors do their job beautifully, as always, their performances are top-class... but if the director and the people behind the editing don't do their job as beautifully as they used to do, then of course the episodes are going to seem messy. Just apart from the performances, of course. It's the actors that save the episodes, in the end.
I'm not content with the new director. I'm not content with the editing of the episodes. I'm not happy about the lack of focus on Dutta's character when he's in a shot, or his "interaction" with Naku. What all this combined is making me think is that something's going on, because I've never seen this kind of carelessness and bloopers on LTL before.
If they don't want to go any higher, then they should at least maintain the standards of this show. The directing of a scene, the editing, it plays a part in conveying a character's emotions as well as the actor's acting itself. Mishal brings such beautiful performance to the table, yet the director decides to butcher it by having him sit on a fan?
I just... okay, these are just my thoughts, but really. Try and watch just as recent as the December or beginning of January episodes, and then compare them to the February ones. If this was just a woops kind of mistake, I would let it go. But it's not. It's carelessness, at least to me.
Srush, I'm sorry that I'm unloading all this on you, but you always listen, so that's why 😳
I have really, really tried to enjoy the episodes - overall. But I didn't just fall in love with a story and its characters. I fell in love with the way that the episodes were put together as well, the details. It bothers me to see that fade, knowing that it's not accidental mistakes, but lack of care, engagement, or understanding of characters and the show from a director's side.
Or maybe, the root is someone else. Maybe the channel is meddling with the show's crew and telling them what to do or not do. Maybe they changed the director on purpose and blah blah blah. Honestly, I'm sick and tired of speculating. I've decided yesterday that I won't be watching this show until Colors announce that Mishal is staying till it ends and he returns in his full power to the PN, and until they fix those editing glitches.
I'm not watching and I'm not creating any new threads. Srush, for you, I'll wiggle my eyebrows just to let you know that despite my depressed state of mind - I still find Dutta hot *wiggles eyebrows*
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Elysia

@ Srush

Srush, they've been dragging this whole deal with blind Dutta for weeks now. Yes, Dutta did falter for a while when he realized that he was shrouded in utter darkness, but Dutta's vulnerability has always been turned into hell-fury and aggressiveness. By now, he would be back in control, even as a blind person. He would be telling Seema and Chacha what to do, but instead it seems that he has no plan at all. He's just letting them take him wherever they want. He could be walking into a trap for all he cared. He should at least be shown planning something.
Even as blind, he wouldn't be sitting in the car like a good boy while Seema and Chacha went out. He would need the air, to move around and get rid of the restlessness. If he sensed something about the behosh girl in the backseat and she fell forward, he wouldn't just push her back against the seat, but go into the backseat and try to see if he could wake her up. He would do something, because he's Dutta. In my opinion, the whole scene in the car was shot wrong. Dutta should've been in the backseat and instead of Naku's hand landing on his shoulder - awkwardly - they just could've shot the scene in a more intense and logical way. For instance by having her head landing on his shoulder as they were side by side in the backseat. The thing is that the scene lacked most of the emotions that Tasha scenes usually awaken in me whenever they're in a scene together.

WORD!!! There is this huge LTLishness lacking. I usually download good epis of LTL. I just realized I havent downloaded one since Jan. And thats since when MR quitting rumours started.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Shreya : The episodes are lacking the 'spark' is what I call it...that spice making us want to watch it again and again....too much of hatred and gross is not what I want to see at the end of the day...

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Yes Jayati. I dont know what's behind the lack of spark as you so aptly put it. Perhaps its the offscreen politics and uncertainity. But as a viewer we shouldnt be worrying about that.
I think the last episode that stood out for me was the one where after the party Dutta comes home drunk and Naku feeds him and looks after him.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hmm...I think all our dissatisfaction stems out of the single fact that since Jan Dutta HAS NOT been in action! We are so used to see him as the driving force...in a way he still is though...the raw energy that he brings about...his scorching screen-presence as the man in control...we are sorely missing all that! And this total immobility on Dutta's part has kind of reiterated the fact we always knew...LTL is nothing without him!

This is the only "difference" I can see between LTL then and now...warna, technical and writing glitches, bloopers etc, were always there in the show in abundance. They seem a little more glaring now...earlier Dutta would blind us with his brilliance, so that we'd chose to ignore/overlook them.


But then I agree with Fatty...the story is strong(we can not say the same about execution...but it has been good in bits)....like a fairy-tale....Beauty and the Beast meets The Lion King sort of!😆 Have patience...things will be normal soon! I strongly feel that!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Yes and I also loved the thali scene when he drops purposely and Madhu comes instead of Nakusha...I think the creatives suddenly found Madhu useless but yes I would have loved to use Madhu to bring Dutta and Naku together and maybe as a love interest of Baajirao....
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: sub_rosa

Hmm...I think all our dissatisfaction stems out of the single fact that since Jan Dutta HAS NOT been in action! We are so used to see him as the driving force...in a way he still is though...the raw energy that he brings about...his scorching screen-presence as the man in control...we are sorely missing all that! And this total immobility on Dutta's part has kind of reiterated the fact we always knew...LTL is nothing without him!


This is the only "difference" I can see between LTL then and now...warna, technical and writing glitches, bloopers etc, were always there in the show in abundance. They seem a little more glaring now...earlier Dutta would blind us with his brilliance, so that we'd chose to ignore/overlook them.


WORD!!! Another point strikes me as earlier LTL was about the emotional groW*H of characters. Its the characters themselves who were the driving force behind the story. But now the story of LTL is driven by circumstances...the characters are now victims of circumstances including Dutta which was never the case before. This is a huge shift in terms of story-telling.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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OMG... What a Parthian shot....Am speechless...
I never thought, that you were so disturbed with the whole scenario.
And am really sorry, for making you swallow a pill that was clearly not the panacea for you.
What my reply consisted of was the answer to just one point of yours... that is Baaji Rao's challenge to Kalavati, being Nakku will end Kalavati's empire...or something on the same lines...
I thought that it was the main bone of contention, which was bugging you, and my answer was limited to that only...
Frankly, I was missing the Ely, which had made me imagine Dutta in Superman Costume and wiggled his eyes suggestively 😊....And it was just my attempt to bring you out of the gloomy mood, that you seemed to be in since days....😭

The rest, well, yes, somehow, even, I am not completely satisfied with every episode...I am not very happy with the editing glitches and the mismatches which are thrown our way every other day....

The mega-episode was perfect... AG took the whole thing to a different level, which made me grip my chair in the apprehension of what will happen next, and believe me, I am not the type who would do that, I would never go to those lengths of occupying my mind on what will happen next in a TV serial, But LTL has been an exception😊. But the episodes, before and after the mega episode have been disappointments in disguise...
These are my takes on some of the glitches...Mind you, they are just some which I can recollect at the spur of the moment...
1. The flash-back mess up...Dutta getting Nakku's dream as his flashback.
2. Our hero climbing up the fan...the most pathetic stunt ever done on Indian Television.
3. I have been asking this question, ever since Thursday, If he can see the fan, far above hanging on the ceiling, why cant he see Nakusha who practically landed in his lap... He can feel her around...But he cannot see her... He is not even curious...
4. I was very disappointed when they didnot show an iota of Dutta, when Baaji was being tortured and Nakush was crying her heart out... That was so not done...This three had a link that intertwined them...Dutta even when half dead takes Baaji's name... He cannot be shown oblivious to their plight..
5. The song...the song they picked up 'Aaja meri jaan' was a sensuous song, it did match up the sombre mood of the serial, granted Dutta was oblivious to the Coup De Kala... But the reason why we are attached to the characters is their attachement to each other... Dutta can't be having romantic thoughts with his Aai, Nakusha and Baaji being tortured on the other side... His longing I can understand...But there were many other old off beat songs which would have made a better choice in the situation.
6. The Scene in the car was almost making me pull my hair...Not the 10th feb scene, That is, apart from major camera-angle-blooper, it was a good scene, perhaps because we saw Dutta and Tasha after a long time, but on 11 Feb, when they made Nakku fall on the gear box and Dutta putting her back safely, made me want to personally put bottle-glass sized glasses on Dutta😡...What?? you are touching her and can't feel it??? You can make out the outlines of a figure right??? I understand, they want to build up a drama, and the Tasha milan cannot be so casual as to just she falls on the gear box and he sees her...But to build up a drama, they cannot just say 'tata' to all our logics...You are right the mysterious alchemy, is missing....
7. Dutta... I don't know if he is really off the mark, when is not getting out of the car, or if is not back in control, even as a blind person... Because, even before marriage, he had calmed down, after marrriage, because of FR he went back to being the old Dutta, but that was all in rebound and totally momentary... If you remember his last day in PN, after the major show down between him and Baaji, and then Nakku doing his aarti, he was ready to be the same Dutta, that Nakusha had made him... And right now, he is all repentance, helpless because of his blindness, not liking the fact that he is owing his life to the girl, who had been the root cause of this facet of his life...Now, had I been in his place, I, too, will be, thinking that why God this to me, made me come right back to the place, where it had started off, I would be thinking that why God made me blind, is it because he wants me to see my Soul mate's soul instead of her color? Put me to the mercy of the girl who changed my life and spiraled it to go downhill? and why did she have to be the woman, whose lover is the man who tried to kill me? There are so many things, he is restless, but he is also overwhelmed by the twister fate has thrown at him....He has succumbed, momentarily, but yes he has...and there has to be the moment in everybody's life when they go in such mode, where they would not be reacting the way they are expected too....I don't know if I am making sense, but so it is.... You have way with words Ely, which I envy, and however I try to copy your style, I can't be as good writer as you...

And the editing glitches..Well, they have always been there... there have been some OTT magics in this show...Nakku's black colour the most famous one....how come Dutta never had soot on his hands, the JMM colour change, kala never getting caught on CCTV cameras...no doctor detected poison in DP's blood, they have to give Death certificate, and in there include the reasons for death, what reasons did they give??? the BH story, Baaji reaching home before Tasha and arranging the party, ...and many others... they have been an integral part of LTL and a constant source of our speculation and entertainment....

What they had been consistent till now is the BATASHA relation, and that they are not doing justice, and add the actor-leaving woes on the forum, the glitches are having more impact on us...
The new directors, CVs, channel, PH...someone or all of them are at fault...and it is taking a toll on us...I understand...and you can take it out all on me....I am there...always will be, Ely....but we will be back...give them some time, they will not disappoint us...It is their baby after all, they cannot butcher it...Like Ksh, I also download the good episode and watch them God knows how may times!!! and like her I have also not downloaded them since January...have not even made a folder of January 2011...(I save them in month wise folders)...but I really feel that they will come back...Last week, except the 11 feb epi, all the epi were not that bad, 5th feb was fabulous, 10th feb was also good...
Don't lose hope and don't you dare stop posting😡... I will pull out your eyebrows, Ely😆
We need to be there for each other in the bad phase, na... without you, Pooji, Zuby, Mimi..who will pull me out....I have an eternal hope that our eternal LS will not be lost...
Don't you worry.... yeh le🤗
Isko Jaddu ki Jhappi bolte hai!!!!
And cheer up if only for me ..


Originally posted by: Elysia

@ Srush

Hun, I do try to enjoy the good things in the episodes - for instance, I very much enjoyed the scene between Kala and her mother - but the issue, for me, is that the mistakes are more overpowering than the good things. If these mistakes were simple mistakes, small and insignificant mistakes, then I would've been able to overlook them and enjoy the overall episodes. But the thing is that it's obvious that the mistakes are results of carelessness. The problem is that, in my opinion, these mistakes are coming close to not only assassinating strong characters, but also resulting in the scenes with Tasha in becoming anything but intense or powerful.
It seems to me that the new director doesn't know the actors and the characters very well. In fact, it seems that he doesn't know them at all. It's my personal belief that Dutta can be vulnerable, but never weak. He may have lost his eyesight. He may feel alone and vulnerable. But when among people that he cannot trust, he would never let them steer him around. He would never end up on a fan while trying to escape Chaskar. Clearly, the director had no sense of his character or the fact that it would look completely stupid and irrational that a blind Dutta would've climbed up on a fan. This was a major blooper. However, hilarious, it was annoying as well.
Srush, they've been dragging this whole deal with blind Dutta for weeks now. Yes, Dutta did falter for a while when he realized that he was shrouded in utter darkness, but Dutta's vulnerability has always been turned into hell-fury and aggressiveness. By now, he would be back in control, even as a blind person. He would be telling Seema and Chacha what to do, but instead it seems that he has no plan at all. He's just letting them take him wherever they want. He could be walking into a trap for all he cared. He should at least be shown planning something.
Even as blind, he wouldn't be sitting in the car like a good boy while Seema and Chacha went out. He would need the air, to move around and get rid of the restlessness. If he sensed something about the behosh girl in the backseat and she fell forward, he wouldn't just push her back against the seat, but go into the backseat and try to see if he could wake her up. He would do something, because he's Dutta. In my opinion, the whole scene in the car was shot wrong. Dutta should've been in the backseat and instead of Naku's hand landing on his shoulder - awkwardly - they just could've shot the scene in a more intense and logical way. For instance by having her head landing on his shoulder as they were side by side in the backseat. The thing is that the scene lacked most of the emotions that Tasha scenes usually awaken in me whenever they're in a scene together.
Now as for the editing glitches... I'm sure there have been a couple of editing glitches in the history of LTL before, but recently those glitches have been happening too often, even the music seems wrong and out of character at times. The crew behind these things used to focus on even the smallest of all details pre-February. Now it just feels like they quickly put together an episode and out to the audiences. They're not handling them with much care.
The glitches, the awkward music cuts, the directing, the lack of focus on Dutta when he's actually present in an episode, the Naku's dream sequences inside Dutta's head, Dutta just sitting there and letting people take him anywhere - and most importantly, the way they haven't focused on his restlessness regarding the sleeping girl in the backseat. They could've done so much with that scene, yet they decided not to. I feel like they're purposely trying to ruin it, or just being careless because they have other plans now.
Mishal performs so beautifully, yet they don't capture it the way that they used to. With focus on his impulsive movements and small details in his performance. They just edit it wrongly and present to us a poor episode. I'm sorry, but that's how I feel. Compared to episodes from as close as just December, these February episodes are close to a complete disaster. The actors do their job beautifully, as always, their performances are top-class... but if the director and the people behind the editing don't do their job as beautifully as they used to do, then of course the episodes are going to seem messy. Just apart from the performances, of course. It's the actors that save the episodes, in the end.
I'm not content with the new director. I'm not content with the editing of the episodes. I'm not happy about the lack of focus on Dutta's character when he's in a shot, or his "interaction" with Naku. What all this combined is making me think is that something's going on, because I've never seen this kind of carelessness and bloopers on LTL before.
If they don't want to go any higher, then they should at least maintain the standards of this show. The directing of a scene, the editing, it plays a part in conveying a character's emotions as well as the actor's acting itself. Mishal brings such beautiful performance to the table, yet the director decides to butcher it by having him sit on a fan?
I just... okay, these are just my thoughts, but really. Try and watch just as recent as the December or beginning of January episodes, and then compare them to the February ones. If this was just a woops kind of mistake, I would let it go. But it's not. It's carelessness, at least to me.
Srush, I'm sorry that I'm unloading all this on you, but you always listen, so that's why 😳
I have really, really tried to enjoy the episodes - overall. But I didn't just fall in love with a story and its characters. I fell in love with the way that the episodes were put together as well, the details. It bothers me to see that fade, knowing that it's not accidental mistakes, but lack of care, engagement, or understanding of characters and the show from a director's side.
Or maybe, the root is someone else. Maybe the channel is meddling with the show's crew and telling them what to do or not do. Maybe they changed the director on purpose and blah blah blah. Honestly, I'm sick and tired of speculating. I've decided yesterday that I won't be watching this show until Colors announce that Mishal is staying till it ends and he returns in his full power to the PN, and until they fix those editing glitches.
I'm not watching and I'm not creating any new threads. Srush, for you, I'll wiggle my eyebrows just to let you know that despite my depressed state of mind - I still find Dutta hot *wiggles eyebrows*




Edited by -Srushti- - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Elysia

I hope that you're right. I really do.
@Pooja: Recently, I've had this weird feeling that they have been trying to assassinate Dutta's character. In today's episode, I kept thinking that they were dragging the episode, keeping him weak and helpless. Dutta is never weak when it comes to his enemies. He's in a vulnerable position right now, but not weak. But they just have him sitting in the car.
Okay, so it's fine that he's sitting in the car. But the Tasha scene? Why didn't they focus more on the scene? Why didn't they make it more intense? They could've done so much with that scene, have her wake the tiniest bit and make a sound or something, and he'd be alarmed but not in a I-recognized-her-moan kind of way, more like there's-something-about-this-woman kind of way. I felt like the focus was on the surroundings, the suspense of his enemies roaming about and all that rather than on Tasha's moment. What was with the sound glitches? Usually they play Tasha's music out and film their scenes more intensely, with more focus on every little movement.
I'm telling you, Pooja. They're being careless. Something fishy about it. I've got a bad feeling, but I'm not going to let it take over my mood. I'll keep emailing those ducks.

Yes, ur absolutely right nd it is not the first time. There is some sinister plot to gradually sideline dutta nd project anyone nd everyone else. This is my gut feeling too.🤢 Look at the amount of screen space kala, chaskar, suds, seema nd chacha have had for the past one and half months nd compare it with dutta. It never happend before. Agreed that the track required the others to take centrestage but what about the lack of intensity in dutta's scene the callous approach as if it was some inconsequential character. It is a very uneasy feeling but im sure it is not right. 😭

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