Dutta's virtuous hatred VS Seema's enchantment - Page 3

Hi Kavi

Needless to say amazing writing. Just my random thoughts on this.. I loved the word you used to describe Seema.. I have been trying to pinpoint that word and you have nailed it when you say delusional enchantment. I cannot use a better word to describe her current state of mind!

I am no fan of Seema, especially her attitude where she feels she can get back Dutta in her life after having put him through so much in life and how she can even think she will be the ideal partner to Dutta? But the only benefit of doubt I give her is her not knowing Dutta is a married man. She is not aware of this truth which will completely shake her and break her, so I can sort of understand her delusional thoughts, though in no way do I support it!

Yes, it has been extremely rewarding to see Dutta realise his follies on his own this time and not needing any 'outsider's' help. Also I find him very mellowed down during this track which goes to show the lengths to which Naku has transformed him with her love. The old Dutta would have finished off Seema and her chacha in a blink without ever giving her a moment to speak. I am loving this new patient, thinking, loving Dutta and he will surely be the perfect husband to Naku in every way she has ever dreamed.

I loved this quote The supreme happiness in life is the assurance of being loved; of being loved for oneself, even in spite of oneself;.. it is a gem..

Coming to yesterday's episode, I read the reviews fisrt and was a bit sceptical. But to me, it was an ok episode. It did not feel weird to have Nakku wear D's coat.. for me it was like she was trying to gather strength from his love by wearing his clothes to feel close to him..and she did not try to be a don's wife, she tried to soothe and calm the people..

And what can I say about MR.. he is Dutta in every way possible for me. The man lives that role and emotes so well that it touches my soul. He uplifts every scene with his mere presence and strong screen presence. I have been spoiled by his perfect portrayal of Dutta that I don't think I would be able to enjoy or admire another TV character anytime soon! he has turned me into an addict for sure of Dutta and his 1001 expressions and nuances he brings on screen.. sigh

Originally posted by: ZubyDutta

Somethings never change.Like the hindi proverb,"Sab badal saktaa hai lekin fithrath kabhi nahin badalti" (Everything changes but nature never does). How beautifully Chanda proved this to be so true while dreaming aloud outside D's door two days ago. Even today its I, Me,Myself for her. That this is somebody's son lying helpless & injured here while his mother is being told that her son is no more makes absolutely no difference to her.Did she think of that for even a second? That his family & the poor residents who depend on their sustenance on him do not even figure in her thinking.You don't have to be a noble & saintly like Nakusha Bhao Saab to think in this manner.Any normal & good hearted woman would first think of informing his immediate family of his safety. She barely manages a drunk chaskar how will she protect D against the armed & alert gang of his. The lack of surprise she exhibited after reading abt D in the papers clearly indicates she knew about D's profession & his life.Then she is also aware that D has his own army better equipped to protect him. So her justification of keeping him hidden falls flat miserably.

I'm nowpretty certain she loves herself even more than D.Does she think that the blood clot in his eyes will disappear on its own.What's with keeping him from proper medical attention relying on that joke of a doctor for his recovery? Or is it that she doesn't want him to regain his sight ever? So that he remains helpless & bound to her for life. I strongly believe the latter to be true. This is another vile side of a woman portrayed in LTL & its so true. The likes of Kala, Supriya & Chanda simply cannot think beyond themselves.

As for D taking this separation as an opportunity to realise how much he was wrong & how true Nakusha is, well that entire premise is so wrong. The present events in D's life is not to make him realise Nakkusha's worth.That he realised like 6 months ago.He said so to Aayi in no uncertain terms during the Suresh episode. The present track is there to make him realise how he ruined his life for a totally worthless woman like Chanda. That she is not fit to be thought of even let alone be obsessed over for a decade.Obsession over her betrayal. Now he can realise his folly & let the demonic vista of Chanda he had inflated across so many years fizzle out like a punctured balloon.She was & is not worth it.Period.He can now go home with one less wound.

I so wanted D asking his wife for an explanation for keeping him in the dark for 9 months. They were close friends even before the wedding. I wanted him to ask her if she feared for her safety or what other reason they might be for the lack of trust. I want to see what Nakusha comes up with.The members here emphatically say Nakusha is more wiser & candid than D. So I don't want any "haiwaano ki basti, Meri Aayi boli, Bappa boley, baajoowaali aunty boli" kind of explanation. I want a wise & candid explanation.

But looks like we are straightaway shunted to the D begging for forgiveness phase.That would also mean no more DSP, black kurta & the earrings. 😭Its back to the colourful sherwanis & the mooning pre-FR .But I know my beloved members 🤗 are dying to see that. So I'll just go with the flow I guess.

Superb post Kavita. ⭐️ Very well written.But like D when was the last time something u wrote wasn't superb?😳😊

Originally posted by: shilpita87

Hi Kavita,

Need i say beautiful post? well, it is. But i have my doubt if seema knows that dutta is married...i have a feeling that like many others like me she just passed her eyes over the imp headline in hurry and left out trhe comeplete reading of the article...but that still doesn't make her delusion any less for me.

Thank you Shilpi....Anything for the essence of LTL. I just hope that the CVs would be as passionate as all of us and keep the flame burning. To come back to the possibilities that Seema may not have read the article fully, it may well be possible but as we both agree, it does not take the delusion away. Didn't she ever stop to consider that Dutta may have moved on in his life and she seems to know about Dutta, why not his marriage which did create a furore in Patil Wadi and as far as Madras. (Remember the smuggler from Madras who had come to the party organised by Kala to celebrate Dutta's wedding to congratulate and see Dutta's wife)

What liked about Dutta's look of Revulsion and trapped expression was that it proved that he has no lingering feeling for the once much loved girl he knew...the fact that any other woman might want him forced him to face the fact that he belongs to one woman only and even if he had once thought her to be in category of other woman, she is infact much far above and better. her heart and love puer and selfless....

Even I loved that painful retching sensation and the revulsion that Dutta portrayed by pulling his kurta to show how he felt stifled and listless. It is not so much a question of the absence of any lingering feeling for the Seema of yore, nor the need to convince that he belongs to Nakusha but rather a physical and psychological rejection of any association with Seema and the need to reassure the selfless Nakusha and his family ASAP.

even in yesterdays episode he was more concerned with getting the news of his wellbeing to Nakku than anyone else...his urgency almost broke my heart and i wanted to dial the number for him..really i did...but i thanked God that Leela couldn't get to the phone..

I have such high hopes with the call....you know that,right? You did read my version of it in OS...so you know...my dream.

That is a pity but the drama but good that Leela didn't pick up the phone. Fate and even Dutta must have mentally decreed that it is Nakusha who is going to be forever his messenger of hope and love, hence the build-up to today's drama with the shokh sabha arranged in PN. And Thank the Lord for that as Dutta's redemption should also make way for an final and irrevocable acceptance by one and all that Nakusha only means well and is the only person who believes in him to the point of refusing to accept the news of his "death". I cant wait for that sequence when Nakusha will speak to Dutta in front of everybody. I would prefer that this phone call were to happen away from all the prying eyes of he enemies and the sceptics around but Nakusha must be given due respect now by everybody, including AS.

And Yes, I have read your OS, and I am sure that you would not mind if the CVs were to rob your concept. Anything for LTL and for the cause of maintaining its magical attraction for us.

Anyways, i am now dreaming of Tasha coming together...what would he say when Nakku is infront ofhim...how would he ask for forgiveness...would he do it in front of the world as he did twice before when he let her go in june before JMM and then proposed before Bappa track...or would he do that in a sweet moment of tranquil privacy as in zhula scene and when he cupped her face lovingly...

i would love it any way...

Dream away Ma'am...I feel that we have to wait for a while for that. But yes, it would be beautiful.

about Dutta's hatred being virtuous in this case....i totally agree with you...it is indeed virtuous. he as a married man feels disgusted by another woman longing for him is indeed a sign of his intigrity..

Yes, considering hatred as being virtuous demands lots of courage but one should not suppress our basic instincts, especially, when it comes to somebody who would have wreaked havoc in one's life and also to safeguard his intergrity as a man of principles.

Seema's delusion and enchanment would last long...it would become obsession and then blind jealousy for nakku...thats my guess of future track....but ironic isn't it?

once when he was eager to belong to her, she didn't realize his value and kicked him out of her life cruelly and now look she would go to any length to have that man..i can't help but think is somewhere the fact that Dutta now is the uncrowned prince and a very successful man has something to do with this enchantment.

I have also got a nasty feeling about that ....Who knows if Kala were to leave PN for fear of being uncovered, the CVs might decide to play the Seema/Vamp card seeking revenge post Dutta's rejection of her tainted love.

i mean the boy she ditched was just another guy- a tom,dick,harry....but when he came back to teach her a lesson he was a fighter, an assasin on path of success..and now she might have heard of his success and affluence even if she was away.

We are thinking aloud...Better refrain as we do not want to feed fodder to the CVs.

what do you feel is the part that dutta is dutta bhau has some small amount of enchantment too?

Dutta belongs to that category of human beings who go through a whole life driven by lofty ideals of truth, love and honesty....That in itself is enchantment but unlike Seema, he is not delusional as his wish for all the above requisite is reasonable for any self-respecting man.

maybe...maybe not....but one thing is for sure..what she feels even today for dutta is not love...love is selfish and compassionate like Nakku's.

Seema is finally seeking refuge for herself and is probably mistaking her quest for love unlike Nakusha who lives for Dutta.

And Shilpita , I am now waiting for your next OS and I get a feeling that you may be working on it already. 😆

Were we ever compelled to confront the possibility that hatred could be a virtue and that we could, possibly, be ardent supporters or peddlers of hate, we would be ashamed and deny the case but yesterday's episode of LTL set my mind at rest in the sense that if hatred be the only way to walk the path of self-righteousness, so be it. Being a, totally, hopeless Dutta addict, I could not but approve the latter's abhorrence for anything, remotely, connected to the root cause of all his misfortune and long sufferance, I have got no qualms to concede that hate could indeed be virtuous as it is this very hatred that is going to take him back to Nakusha, the love of his life after having put to rest all the demons of his past. Especially, now that Seema seems to be losing all sense of reality and slipping into a state of delusional "enchantment" that she could possibly rekindle the feelings Dutta ever harboured for her, despite the news article confirming the existence of Dutta's wife.

I will confess that the lecherous handling of Seema by Chaskar on Tuesday, momentarily, evoked pity and I thought that her attempts to seek redemption were commendable after having lived a "life of sin" but yesterday's thoughtless declaration that Dutta could forgive her and accept her back in his life gave us all the creeps and throws Seema right back in the throes of hell and robs us all of any sense of charity for her. It may sound extremely harsh but realities, always, have been.

One may well argue that Dutta's "virtuous hatred" denotes a wish to discover or amend his own faults without atoning for his obstinate adherence to his own beliefs and perception about trust by the most virulent intolerance to human frailties as shown in his ill-treatment of Nakusha right from the first forceful marriage and his unbridled reactions post Nakusha's FR. It was only after being, literally, pushed to the deepest recesses of physical as well as the mental torture of being deprived, firstly, of one of his senses (sight) and being separated from his family, especially, his wife that he has finally understood the value and reverence he owes Nakusha for her unswerving loyalty/love/deference towards him and his family despite his continuous and vicious allegations of her being a traitor. Thankfully, he sets on the path of redemption on his own with no third party oral or subliminal prompting (as in the case of Jagtap or Subbalaxmi), but that is at the price of redeeming hate. Dutta, suddenly, became too wise, whilst Seema became more foolish than she had ever been by rejecting Dutta in the first place ten years ago. And we wonder why both did not come to any form of self-realisation before.

Seema, shown as desirous of appropriating someone else's husband represents the quintessence of fallen humanity and how could we, now stop ourselves from hating her character as much as Dutta hates her with every breath and fibre of his being. Seema in this one instant displays that aspect of fallen human nature which is the necessary counterpart to the central human difficulty: our insatiable need to love ourselves despite everything and she loses the little respect Dutta or anyone could have granted her for saving the latter's life. She has, consciously, sounded the death knell for herself and she will be condemned to be perpetually dissatisfied and roaming from one experience or creaturely object (Chaskar as a perfect example) to another, striving to satisfy with finite things that which could only be satisfied by love which would have been in her case her personal redemption by gifting the blessings of happiness and love to the young man she once loved by taking him back to his wife. Alas for Seema, and, thankfully, for Nakusha and Dutta, her illusory and fleeting sense of "fulfilment" in the belief that she has been given another chance by the Gods will leave her craving for love eternally.

And what about Dutta's redemption and can we, now be assured that his hatred for the woman who brought him to his knees ten years ago is driven by the right motives? The answer is yes and this new Dutta, loving his wife will tender to their love with sensitivity, trust, confidence and the safe and certain knowledge that doing so will give him the necessary reality check on himself and all the relationships around him. I would like to quote Victor Hugo in the context of Dutta's impairment and his realisation of what Nakusha represents to him."We may remark in passing that to be blind and beloved may, in this world where nothing is perfect, be among the most strangely exquisite forms of happiness. The supreme happiness in life is the assurance of being loved; of being loved for oneself, even in spite of oneself; and this assurance the blind man possesses. In his affliction, to be served is to be caressed. Does he lack anything? No. Possessing love he is not deprived of light. A love, moreover, that is wholly pure. There can be no blindness where there is this certainty." Dutta has at long last snapped out of his self-denial after going through the physical pain of not being able to reach out to Nakusha, but yet mentally, convinced that the latter is out there searching the darkness that has, momentarily, shrouded both of them. Dutta will soon be able to complete the cycle which would allow his regeneration from beast to a better human being. He will now be able to look into Seema's eyes and thank her, albeit with hatred, for opening the doors of a world where he discovered the real meaning of selfless and unconditional love.

Hats off to Mishal Raheja for the magnificent portrayal of a man wounded in his soul and so scared of occupying the "corrupted space" inhabited by Seema, that he literally "retched" and pulled his kurta when he heard Seema talking about her hopes of winning him back. Except for the fact that CVs needed to have Dutta acknowledge his conscience loud and clear, we could have done away with this monologue, so effective was Mishal. If anybody could have projected hatred as being a virtue, it is Mishal who will never cease to amaze us. It is a pity that Praneeta Sahu (Seema) and the Chacha are just run of the mill ordinary actors as had they been able to match MR's flawless performance, they would have elevated this track to unseen heights through a measured use of screen psychology. We will have to be content with MR.

I have not watched today's episode as yet and it would seem that CV's have opted to leave us all high and dry after raising our expectations about Dutta's call to Nakusha. Delusional "enchantment" does not seem to be exclusively Seema's forte and I just read that Nakusha has set out the landscapes of Patil Wadi wielding a gun (nothing unusual'.her own hubby started her initiation) to calm down the inhabitants of Patil Wadi. Had we had the phone conversation today, it would have been some consolation to mark the 1^st anniversary of Dutta's entry in Nakusha's life and weaving magic on screen. So let us continue with what we do best on the Forum by carrying on with our minute dissection of every scene and aspect of a show that seems to keep us gripped despite all the bloopers and conceptual setbacks. This is what I would qualify as redeeming love merging with Dutta's redeeming hatred one year onwards.

Originally posted by: KavitaDR