Open Letter to IF-My final thoughts on LTL| VB Nte Pg 6 - Page 3

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Posted: 14 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: gp00

Read my response to Mussy. I am not using profanity, I am not using sexually explicit language or scenarios, I am not bashing fellow members...I should be allowed to post a silly interview.



But you are talking about their personal life 'who we are talking about their personal life ? MR is not God Dutta is not God '..are we God ?And I have complaint several times to DT that I don't like reading posts regarding their personal and if Forum members are not liking this then there is no point discussing about that 'do we talk about our personal life here 'no.. so we should spare them as well 'This is all about the character they play so lets discuss that ... '
I have hardly read your TB interviews but I did read the latest where you got personal and I was not comfortable reading that

Anyways hope you find better place where you can express your views with full liberty !!!
I thought this was your last post...just kidding 😆

Edited by Sia79 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#22
I appreciate you all writing in.
I'm sorry many of you find this uncomfortable. Actually, I'm not suprised. It is an honest email. I wrote it with the intention of saying what I had to say. But I do understand that there are people on this forum that get offended.
I know some of you questioned why I wrote it if I am "anti-LTL"😆🤣. What is this, grade school? Let me ask you, why are you responding? Are you anti-anti-LTL?
Secondly, how you interpreted my statement about Mishal. I'm personally very touched that you were so touched by it. I absolutely believe that Mishal is one of those privileged Mumbai people. Look at his background. He's in acting now, need I say more? Yes, it is speculation on my part, but why can I not say it? I bet you I'm more right
Make no mistake about it, I wrote it because I am disappointed with the show, I question the fact that Mishal can say things in an interview and like a brain-dead person, all I have to do is accept it. I hate that I have to edit my interviews to remove any mention to Ridhi because we don't talk about personal lives, when IF just allowed an interview with Ridhi to be posted on the site, saying the very same things.
So you tell me.
See some of you need to understand that you will never see any rebuke from IF because you would never say anything that would warrant it....no "offensive" questions, no strong protest...just how much you love this show, how amazing Mishal is, how loyal you are to the "concept" (whatever that means nowadays). There is no concept anymore. If you find one, let me know and I will be the first person to say I am wrong.
I'm sorry to say that. I don't mean to sound offensive. But let's face it: there are two types of people on this forum. Ones that question, criticize, poke jabs, are more vocal and then there are those that are more peaceful about the flow and characters (doves, rainbows, hearts). And I'm sure there are many along the continuum.
At the end of the day, I am glad you are glad that I made this decision. I absolutely concur--this is not the place for me.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*

Well I dont agree with you totally. I agree with your part that the show has been dragging for quite some time now. Even I get irritated many a times, but somehow there is something in this show that doesnt allow me to give up hope. Like for instance, there were lot of times when we all thought LTL would also tread the Ekta Kapoor way with infedility track, where Dutta might misunderstand Nakku's chastity like.....

1) When Ganpath tells Dutta before leaving that 'auratein charitraheen hote hain', we had our doubts that now that Dutta lost faith in Nakku, they might follow 'Othello' storyline....
2) When Dutta sees Baaji-Nakku holdin hands....
3) Suresh incident.....

Inspite of that many of we LTL loyal viewers kept faith that even though CVs might drag tracks, might sometimes show boring tracks, but they will never mess with the character sketch or soul of the story....and our faiths were rewarded when they dint show us any such thing.

I think this particular aspect has been one of the most irritating tracks in many seriels for a long time now, but LTL kept proving time and again that no matter what happens, there is a certain soul and deep level understanding in Tasha relationship, which will never even shake in the face of the worst of storms! Here I would like to point out 2 scenes that really stole the show for many days 👏.....

1) I just loved the way they handled the Nakku-Dutta confrontation scene after Dutta walks off saying 'isko jiske saat jaana hain jaaye' (during Suresh track)..... Nakku follows him to his room and the scene that happened there was really good 👏 - the scene, MR/MV's acting, dialogues, everything was just spot on! Infact I remember watching that scene 3-4 times at a stretch as it was taken that well 👏!

2) The 2nd episode of Suresh where Suresh even brings a fake pic of him and Nakku together, but Dutta doesnt even doubt Nakku for a second, and understands the photo is fake 👏. I just loved it - it showed that deep level understanding Dutta has towards Nakku even though he was temporarily 'cutty' with her 😆.

I sometimes feel one such scenes makes up for 2-3 weeks of lousy and dragging episodes in LTL 😆.

Through all this, CVs have effectively showed us that even though consciously Dutta believes 'love' is over for him, but deep down there is this strong bond between him and Nakku which will consciously and subconsciously provide support to each other, which is way beyond the current trivial cold war between them. Even Dutta might not be aware of this, but there is something at the soul-level connecting the two of them. And the CVs have always succeeded in depicting that Tasha relationship has always been beyond the body and mind, starting from how Dutta has always seen and loved Nakku beyond her 'ugly' roop. He only looks into her eyes to see her soul, where he sees the most beautiful woman on earth standing in front of him. And Nakku too loved Dutta despite all his drawbacks, and always saw her 'saab' as the most soulful man on this earth. Nothing wrong that he did to her shook this love and respect that she had for him since day one.

If it was any other show, on hearing the male protagonist's ex-lover is going to enter, my interest in watching the show would have definitely reduced (as I would have my obvious assumptions about such tracks!), but even on hearing Dutta's ex-lover Seema is going to enter the show, I dint even have 1% fear or doubt in my mind that Tasha relationship would be affected at any level, except in a positive way whereby Dutta will be able to kill his past demons and move on peacefully with Nakku. There are even articles floating around saying 'Seema's entry will affect Tasha relationship', etc., but I prefer to believe my faith in LTL. Not only me, am sure all the loyal viewers of LTL who have really understood the SOUL and past track record of the seriel for the past one year would have got excited hearing Seema's entry 😆. Tell me in which other show the viewers have so much of faith 😉. And if we have this much faith, its definitely due to the CV's past track record of maintaining the soul of the show no matter what happens. Ya I do agree they tend to drag things a lot, but even then, I dont think they have ever messed up with the soul of the show.

Even though they dragged the post-FR tracks, but in a way it was needed for us audiences also to get used to the fair Nakku as we were so attached to the dark one (like Dutta 😆)....same is happening with Dutta now, slowly the dark and fair Nakku is merging inside him 😳.

Wow, you know something....I had been really pissed today after watching a real boring episode....but after typing this post, once again my faith in LTL has restored and now am no longer pissed 😃.





well done arpita(hope i got the name right)

thts the way to go...loved your post....let me try to exorcise my anger this way too....i'll write my ff..and vent my frustration..😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sia79



But you are talking about their personal life 'who we are talking about their personal life ? MR is not God Dutta is not God '..are we God ?And I have complaint several times to DT that I don't like reading posts regarding their personal and if Forum members are not liking this then there is no point discussing about that 'do we talk about our personal life here 'no.. so we should spare them as well 'This is all about the character they paly so lets discuss that na '
I have hardly read your TB interviews but I did read the latest where you got personal and I was not comfortable reading that

Anyways hope you find better place where you can express your viewswith full liberty !!!
I thought this was your last post...just kidding 😆

I honestly don't know what to say. I cannot believe you were shocked by such little things in that interview. 😆 Good God!
But you are so right, this was my last post, so let this be my last response.
Edited by gp00 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
#25

Apart from the "rants" of an ex-viewer 😉, I think the purpose of this Open Letter--Freedom of Expression--is served😊.

I am loving this outpour.
Funny though, how we all agree that we should not get personal or dig in to or comment on the personal lives of the actors, but if you look at what is posted, and the discussion threads, a great majority of them talk about Mahi and Mishal as persons, not as characters, or interchangeably.
Most of us read, respond to tidbits on personal lives. But when we hear what we do not want to hear, we say it is off limits.
We read and post silly, cliche-ridden, gossipy stuff from different sources, but censure personal opinion.
What we lack as a society is the ability to debate and accept different points of view, even those that are politically incorrect.
To quote Voltaire: "I may detest what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
If we could defend Nakku for questioning (more like berating) Bappa, we can certainly tolerate the views expressed by an ex-viewer 😉, without getting offended or being offensive, or defensive in our counter arguments.
Voltaire Zindabad!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@shilpi.. will hold to u that.. agar FF jald nahin milli mujhe lagega tujhe ab LTL track se gussa nahin😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@gp00...

Well, I have voiced positive and negative comments on the show here and saw no rebuke from IF or any member here...There have been discussions only. .And I am no dove...rainbow.. whatever...just a member in the forum who follows rules and is willing to follow rules......I will not agree that this forum is not fair.

And it is very natural to get replies supporting a show/actor from a forum which consists of people only interested in that show/actor and that too when you are writing out publicly negative remarks on the same..it does not mean anti-anti-LTL or anything...it means response...at least I wrote out because of that only..





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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: crystal_29

Hi gp


Your post 'Poison Pill...' is what motivated me to write my first ever post in this forum to defend my favorite show😊...I had been silent reader before that...So cannot resist replying to your last post too...

It is sad that you are leaving. And you have so many negative opinions about the show and its actors while leaving...It is your personal opinion, so I have no comments on what you should or should not think...

I just would like to add some of my thoughts as reply to what you have posted...So no offence to you or other replies here..Just my thoughts...I would like to make that clear first..

Firstly about the show - I am not very happy about the current dragging epis as I have made it clear on some other threads in the forum...But...And this a huge BUT...I am still watching it because of my belief in the story and show..and am still looking forward to what it might bring..And yes I am still watching it for Tasha. I am a romantic! Characters have been played around with a lot here...I accept, but not to the level of being butchered completely...Even if that has been done, the show and characters have been salvaged later quite nicely..

I keep repeating many times on the forum...This is a show that runs five days a week, all through the year..Such things happen...because of all the business elements that are associated with it...I have no complaints until it crosses my threshold of patience and entertainment.

Second about the actors...I love the actors of this show...And my favorite is Mishal. He is my favorite to the point that I will stop watching thge show if he leaves. I will not agree that any other actor can play Dutta so well as he is...My reasons...I have seen some very bad and good actors in about 4 different language movies and I know when I see a good one. So I will only defend him here..

About him coming back to India because he cannot "handle responsibilities"...Hmm...It might be or not be the case..Question is why do we not give him the benefit of doubt. It is sad to see a person who has worked to entertain us for so long to be described almost as a Rich spoiled Brat.. I will be biased here because my father runs a business too, my brother did his studies abroad too and he is now in India helping my father and running his own consultancy...He went back to India because he was the only son and he wanted to be there as a mental and physical support to my parents...I would love to go back too if only I will be able to convince my husband...(that is a different story altogether...) That might be the case with Mishal too..I am just defending him here because I don't understand the reason that he is being called as a person with an 'attitude' just because he is rich...That is just beyond me...I call my parent's house as my house too...It is not a property/money thing...it is a sense of belonging and I don't know how else to explain that...

Actors are human too...But we criticize them and "assume" the worst possible about them and their personal life when they have been nothing but professional and have given us some quality entertainment. Such a sad thing. Do they not deserve even a iota of our respect for what they do?

I think this forum and the mods have been fair enough and it is a pleasure being here.

Lastly, thanks for all your funny telebirdie interviews. They were enjoyable

Take care
Crystal.






I agree with Crystal here. Just because some people are lucky enough to avail the financial support of their parents to pursue their ultimate educational goals, I dont think it is fair to criticize them for the same JUST because there are many who are not as fortunate. Everyone comes with their own luck. Along with talent, hardwork, and resources, I believe LUCK is the most important thing amongst everything. This is evident in various aspects of life, as in most aspects I have seen the most deserving people not given their due, while the least deserving of them all walks off with undue rewards. For eg., in Bollywood, I am sorry to say but currently I feel 95% of the stars dont even possess 5% of talent. I feel they are just there PURELY cos of luck. I want to name a few here, but I will just take one name, i.e., Katrina Kaif. No offense to her fans, but now she is regarded as the top most actress, but I seriously feel she CANT act to save her life! She always does Barbie doll kinda dumb roles which can be carried off by anyone in her place! She doesnt OWN any role she does. Still today she is considered No. 1 as she has given couple of hits in a row! Now this is what I call LUCK! Can you name even one young actor in Bollywood today who has come up on his/her own merit, and not because he is a STAR SON, or has a GODFATHER? Imran Khan, Ranbir Kapoor, Neil Nitin Mukesh, Deepika Padukone, Katrina Kaif (Salman's contacts), Harman Baweja, Sonam Kapoor....thats all I can think of now....is there even one ACTOR who was able to come up purely based on talent? This is just what I fear for MR!

But still we cannot blame those who possess great luck.

But in MR's case, if he prefers to be choosy I would say more than luck he is justified to do so purely because of his EXTRAORDINARY TALENT & CALIBRE in the field. I would use the word EXTRAORDINARY for MR, as I have personally not seen any TV actor do such justice to his role and character the way I have seen MR doing 👏! If he is successful today, I would label it purely for the excellence with which he performs his roles (be it Love Story or LTL). He breathes life into the character, he OWNS them. And I personally dont think there is any TV actor who can replace MR as Dutta.

And I wouldnt say even if he quit LTL, that is because he can AFFORD to sit at home as he has the option of living on his parent's wealth....I personally dont agree to that. Even if he is not acting, he has another option of his OWN business - Party Hard Drivers, which is doing really well now. Infact he was even nominated for some young entrepreneur award for the same. Now this had nothing to do with his parents. It was his own brain and money. So even if he is not working, am sure the monthly earnings of this business would be more than enough for him to sustain himself. But if this was not the case and if he was living on his parents money, then ya, even I would have lost respect for him. So ya, in this way, he can afford to be choosy 😊.

And again, even I consider myself to be lucky as my dad has his own business and I work with him 😊. But I dont think people like us should be blamed for the same, just because there are many out there who are struggling to get a decent job. I am really thankful to God for the same. Even in my friends group there have been many who have been sarcastic and mean to me for this reason, which has hurt me a lot! They have done that to me just cos they had to struggle a lot in life, but still I dont think they were justified in being mean to me for a reason like this which is not my fault .

Edited by *dewdrop~pearl* - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: *dewdrop~pearl*


I agree with Crystal here. Just because some people are lucky enough to avail the financial support of their parents to pursue their ultimate educational goals, I dont think it is fair to criticize them for the same JUST because there are many who are not as fortunate. Everyone comes with their own luck. Along with talent, hardwork, and resources, I believe LUCK is the most important thing amongst everything. This is evident in various aspects of life, as in most aspects I have seen the most deserving people not given their due, while the least deserving of them all walks off with undue rewards. For eg., in Bollywood, I am sorry to say but currently I feel 95% of the stars dont even possess 5% of talent. I feel they are just there PURELY cos of luck. I want to name a few here, but I will just take one name, i.e., Katrina Kaif. No offense to her fans, but now she is regarded as the top most actress, but I seriously feel she CANT act to save her life! She always does Barbie doll kinda dumb roles which can be carried off by anyone in her place! She doesnt OWN any role she does. Still today she is considered No. 1 as she has given couple of hits in a row! Now this is what I call LUCK! Can you name even one young actor in Bollywood today who has come up on his/her own merit, and not because he is a STAR SON, or has a GODFATHER? Imran Khan, Ranbir Kapoor, Neil Nitin Mukesh, Deepika Padukone, Katrina Kaif (Salman's contacts), Harman Baweja, Sonam Kapoor....thats all I can think of now....is there even one ACTOR who was able to come up purely based on talent? This is just what I fear for MR!

But still we cannot blame those who possess great luck.

But in MR's case, if he prefers to be choosy I would say more than luck he is justified to do so purely because of his EXTRAORDINARY TALENT & CALIBRE in the field. I would use the word EXTRAORDINARY for MR, as I have personally not seen any TV actor do such justice to his role and character the way I have seen MR doing 👏! If he is successful today, I would label it purely for the excellence with which he performs his roles (be it Love Story or LTL). He breathes life into the character, he OWNS them. And I personally dont think there is any TV actor who can replace MR as Dutta.

And I wouldnt say even if he quit LTL, that is because he can AFFORD to sit at home as he has the option of living on his parent's wealth....I personally dont agree to that. Even if he is not acting, he has another option of his OWN business - Party Hard Drivers, which is doing really well now. Infact he was even nominated for some young entrepreneur award for the same. Now this had nothing to do with his parents. It was his own brain and money. So even if he is not working, am sure the monthly earnings of this business would be more than enough for him to sustain himself. But if this was not the case and if he was living on his parents money, then ya, even I would have lost respect for him. So ya, in this way, he can afford to be choosy 😊.

And again, even I consider myself to be lucky as my dad has his own business and I work with him 😊. But I dont think people like us should be blamed for the same, just because there are many out there who are struggling to get a decent job. I am really thankful to God for the same. Even in my friends group there have been many who have been sarcastic and mean to me for this reason, which has hurt me a lot! They have done that to me just cos they had to struggle a lot in life, but still I dont think they were justified in being mean to me for a reason like this which is not my fault .

Okay, I tried to make my last response Sia's. But, have your read your own statement here? The point of my post was to talk about the limits on what we can and can't say on IF, and you are talking about my holding things against Mishal because he was born into a rich family and, as a result, I'm being mean to you? This is utterly insane.
I am incredulous! Of all the things you and crystal29 take issue with is the statement I made about Mishal? That is NOT the point of this post. If you don't like discussions around personal lives, then why are you talking about Mishal's $ and your own family??? Please do not personalize it! My comment about many (I think you overlooked that) well-off sons is absolutely true. But there are exceptions.
And trust me, I don't hold it against you, or Mishal, or anybody else for that matter. You are born as you are born. And if I did hold it against you, then I'd be holding it against my own.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: gp00

Hey Mussy,

No offense taken. It's okay -- I too like some thing and not others. And that's good. The world will keep going round.
I am not anti-LTL, I am an ex-viewer. I brought this topic up to raise an issue that I think is important. I and others on this forum got our warnings for such absurd things. So who decides what is bashing vs. jokes? Did you think my TeleBirdie interviews were bashing or added to negativity on the forum or were they what they were intended to be--silly and fun?
I am generally not a person stressed about a TV serial, particularly a bad one nowadays. There are too many important things in my life that are more real and stress-worthy.😆
BTW, I have raised this issue on several occasions with DT via PM, particularly after being reprimanded😆, and that has not changed anything.
Look, LTL is a show. Mishal is not God. Dutta is not God. And I make it a point of saying whatever I want, whenever I want.




Parul, can you please try to understand us. We so much love you, can't we agree here..Critical appraisal and analysis of the show & its characters are more than welcome, but insinuations and comments about MV/MR's personal life, choices and orientation are NOT...,"




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