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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: SAraW

...and based on These assumptions we come up and Say .. I QUIT! LTL has gone to DOGS.... but when there is something pleasant comes into picture .. we get to see all apology letters and YAY!!! LTL is back!! 😕


...why this indifference when only a SAD Or tragic or something which is not going by our desire is being shown ?


I have to absolutely agree with the first part here...I understand that after seeing what may be a disappointing or depressing episode one might feel the need to express the letdown or rant about it, which is totally justified. It's always surprising to me though that there is such extreme prediction of doom and gloom going on many a times, be it over one episode, a single spoiler, article, promo, a mundane dialogue and look, or even just pure assumption. With the kind of show LTL is...it does test patience because of the pace and there have been low patches in terms of writing, but beyond those hurdles still, LTL has delivered with good material and moments that have been worth hanging on for. So why doesn't everyone just hold on to their horses before trashing the show one day and praising it to the heavens on the next? This fluctuation in reactions is so jarring because there is no middle ground...take last week for example...I believe it was on Tuesday that the episode ended with the slap and there was much ado about Dutta's character becoming irreversibly ruined because he was being a 'MCP' and what not...but ta-da, Wednesday's episode happens, and suddenly everyone is over the moon and Dutta has instantly been 'redeemed' in everyone's eyes just because there were mellow DN scenes. Are people just watching the show for the 'positiveness' and 'romance' that is expected of DN or the story? Because it seems that as soon as there is anything other than that shown (or even hinted at!), the writers are accused of encouraging negativity and being unfavourable. I'm not one to say that everything shown has to be liked no matter what, but at least wait for the episode to air, watch it for yourself, judge it on your own merit, think about it within the story, the character sketches, the confines of the medium they have to relay their story through and then proceed with the predictions of doom and gloom if you still foresee them 😆

For example, there are many people who didn't like the episode today and I'm guessing that's because there wasn't a lot of development on the DN front and whatever little there was, it turned out to be (hilariously 😆) surprising and thus not well received. For a viewer like me though, the episode was enjoyable because I'm able to laugh at the show and its unintentional comedy, at Chaskar, Dutta, the BGs, Baaji Rao, and take it as just one episode in the grand scheme of things, with lots of filler and nothing set in stone. They can't please with every episode, because LTL just isn't a show like that and it never has been, so give them time to at least put their product out there and stabilize the jumping storyline 😊

As for those who've already lost connect with the characters and don't have much patience left, I don't think anything that can be shown or said will be good enough to change that, and each person is of course entitled to their own opinion. For me, I am still giving the show time and chance because nothing so damaging has happened that it is the end-all and be-all...beyond that, each person is in control of their own television remote and nothing subjects one to bear LTL if it's become more of a pain and chore than entertainment.
Edited by make-believe - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: SAraW

I was trying to stay away from replying Because At this Point of time things are only being assumed because we are still not aware of what road will be taken by our Characters... Till yesterday most of us are sure of an infidelity track .. but half of the people are now relaxed after what they saw yesterday...

Im a bit irritated so I wanna point out a few things before i comment on ur topic Kavita 😊

My Question is Why are we Assuming abt the turn of events in the first place... A lot of Back ground information abt Actors, abt their un availability .. Channel playing its GAMES , TRPS etc etc are REasons given for why a Certain Track which we are not in favor of is being brought up by Creatives...and based on These assumptions we come up and Say .. I QUIT! LTL has gone to DOGS.... but when there is something pleasant comes into picture .. we get to see all apology letters and YAY!!! LTL is back!! 😕 Why cant We only think abt the show, and its characters only??😕 A Track is MAINLY brought up KEEPING characters and under what circumstances they are going through in mind.. Same is the case with LTL here..then why this indifference when only a SAD Or tragic or something which is not going by our desire is being shown ?

Now coming back to your topic...

LTL is a fairy tale .. but even a fairy tale has dark aspects ... Every story has... LTL is a DARK story since the beginning .. and honestly speaking that is its Punch.. If its being lost then im "not sure" If LTL will remain the same .. As of now Dutta and Nakusha both are surrounded by Darkness, Evil... And Its not easy to fight with such immense power and think Rationally ... and that too From An "emotional" person Like Dutta... who came to life after number of betrayals because of this Gril and was again put into darkness because of this girl too ...He is so used to being betrayed that for him its very easy to accept the negative ...then to follow anything going in the lines of TRUST... Its a natural tendency to convince urself not to hurt yourself more... Dutta is doing the same inspite of listening to his feelings he is choosing not to listen to them .. he is too hurt! to acknowledge anything now... I found it Very intriguing! i know Its painful to see him or nakusha like that but then Im able to SEE a complete different ASPECT of their characters.... Even if its Infidelity .. It wil be a test for Naksusha's trust and patience... as the story is abt her as well...

if its not infidelity then we might get to see Dutta dealing or realizing some hidden facts, abt him .. abt Nakusha .. abt Everyone...

Personally Im not in favor of such tracks .. I like to see more abt friendship and love ..... Per I would love to see their love growing and strengthening more after facing Every hurdle be it together or alone and that will never get me to see teh depth and pain in their story ... Dutta has a heart of gold .. but he chose a wrong path because lost his love long back.. he wouldn't have let his grey side to take over his goodness at that point of time! ..now he has to pay back for all his sins... and that also for the one thing he wanted the most for which he chose being Evil... his Love! That is the darkness i was talking abt .. In this darkness only his love will show him light... and by the end he will know that because of him he suffered... his Nakusha suffered! the women who never did a sin in her life has to go through a lot because of him ...ITs painful i know.. but there is longing .. there is eternity ... and that is why i have never felt disconnected with Them or with Their Story... 😊

It wil also be a lesson for those who took wrong decisions in life ...choose Evil over goodness and Suffer inspite of the goodness concealed in their hearts..

Thanks for bearing with me..😊




Sara! I love you! You are an eternal optimist!
And yes, i agree with every word you said. As a viewer, a loyal one, I need to say that LTL has NOT disappointed me so far. I am not one to make a hue and cry as soon as I see something I don't like. Hell, if this show gave me only scenes I liked, it would never be my favorite! That kind of shows work, but they're forgotten in a while. LTL, with all its dark phases will continue to live on in my heart for a long long time.
The merry-go-round track has been driving me nuts for a while now. And yes, agreed, there's a little too much sensationalism in the current track. The other guy angle had me depressed, all weekend.
But after y'day's episode, I think I'm gonna like the current track. Even after the cheap trick Kala has been playing. For a man as complex as Dutta to believe Naku's truth, he has to live it. And this is where LTL scores. In any other show, the guy would've conveniently fallen for the girl by now. There are times when this show drags, but I love the fact that each character evolves, grows, and does it convincingly. For Dutta to shed every prejudice of his, it is essential that he first experience every emotion to the fullest. Hatred, rage, insecurity, doubt, jealousy, remorse, and finally the most redeeming emotion of all. Love. Now all these emotions aren't as pretty as love. And LTL has always always had the guts to give us the ugly truth. IMO, LTL has been able to successfully portray the inner struggle within Dutta.
As for the old charm, i kinda miss it too. But the kitchen scene last week proved that LTL is still the same. The magic is still there. LTL still overwhelms me with its unabashed simplicity and endearing charm, when I least expect it. I simply *love* this show! And I'd say, picture abhi baaki hai mere doston! :)
Sorry if my rant didn't make sense. I've had to write it between breaks at work. :|
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Sara, make-believe , lizdarcy...All of you have written so beautifully on this.

My thoughts. LTL is still a fairy tale for me. Its course has changed just as it should with the story and characters developing, but the essence is the same. Dutta & Nakku, their love is the same. If previously we saw Dutta working towards 'accepting' his love for dark Nakku , we now are seeing Dutta's struggle towards 'trusting' Nakku & her love. According to me they are different.

Personally, I don't like infidelity tracks. I am not a fan of Dutta doubting Nakku too.. But I don't agree that this one track, if at all it comes up, can spoil LTL or Dutta/Nakku's story. It all depends on how that is executed. There are many filmy tracks that have come up in LTL till now, which have been so differently brought up on screen that I have enjoyed it.

This post FR phase is what I have been waiting for - for a long time. I don't want them to hurry this phase. I want to enjoy each bit of it. It is sad and painful to watch now, but it will also be a pleasure to watch when we near the climax (Remember Anna's Den hug!).

I know that Kala is taking up so much of a screen space which is a bother, but she HAS to do such stuffs, she is the main villian of the show! Dark/Negative phases are bound to happen in any show. The maximum Kala can do is this. Let her play her game.

Nakku already took a bullet, was ready to die for Dutta...If Dutta is not going to break open and come out of his shell yet, then let him get the next electric shock too..That will jolt him out.😆

Even in a 2-3 hrs movie, only the first few 10 mins and last 10 mins are happy. This is a daily serial. Lets be patient and not write off the CVs who have entertained us for so long , who have given us such a beautiful love story and characters like Dutta, Baaji, Nakku who we cherish!

Edited by crystal_29 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: SAraW

I was trying to stay away from replying Because At this Point of time things are only being assumed because we are still not aware of what road will be taken by our Characters... Till yesterday most of us are sure of an infidelity track .. but half of the people are now relaxed after what they saw yesterday...

Im a bit irritated so I wanna point out a few things before i comment on ur topic Kavita 😊

My Question is Why are we Assuming abt the turn of events in the first place... A lot of Back ground information abt Actors, abt their un availability .. Channel playing its GAMES , TRPS etc etc are REasons given for why a Certain Track which we are not in favor of is being brought up by Creatives...and based on These assumptions we come up and Say .. I QUIT! LTL has gone to DOGS.... but when there is something pleasant comes into picture .. we get to see all apology letters and YAY!!! LTL is back!! 😕 Why cant We only think abt the show, and its characters only??😕 A Track is MAINLY brought up KEEPING characters and under what circumstances they are going through in mind.. Same is the case with LTL here..then why this indifference when only a SAD Or tragic or something which is not going by our desire is being shown ?

Now coming back to your topic...

LTL is a fairy tale .. but even a fairy tale has dark aspects ... Every story has... LTL is a DARK story since the beginning .. and honestly speaking that is its Punch.. If its being lost then im "not sure" If LTL will remain the same .. As of now Dutta and Nakusha both are surrounded by Darkness, Evil... And Its not easy to fight with such immense power and think Rationally ... and that too From An "emotional" person Like Dutta... who came to life after number of betrayals because of this Gril and was again put into darkness because of this girl too ...He is so used to being betrayed that for him its very easy to accept the negative ...then to follow anything going in the lines of TRUST... Its a natural tendency to convince urself not to hurt yourself more... Dutta is doing the same inspite of listening to his feelings he is choosing not to listen to them .. he is too hurt! to acknowledge anything now... I found it Very intriguing! i know Its painful to see him or nakusha like that but then Im able to SEE a complete different ASPECT of their characters.... Even if its Infidelity .. It wil be a test for Naksusha's trust and patience... as the story is abt her as well...

if its not infidelity then we might get to see Dutta dealing or realizing some hidden facts, abt him .. abt Nakusha .. abt Everyone...

Personally Im not in favor of such tracks .. I like to see more abt friendship and love ..... Per I would love to see their love growing and strengthening more after facing Every hurdle be it together or alone and that will never get me to see teh depth and pain in their story ... Dutta has a heart of gold .. but he chose a wrong path because lost his love long back.. he wouldn't have let his grey side to take over his goodness at that point of time! ..now he has to pay back for all his sins... and that also for the one thing he wanted the most for which he chose being Evil... his Love! That is the darkness i was talking abt .. In this darkness only his love will show him light... and by the end he will know that because of him he suffered... his Nakusha suffered! the women who never did a sin in her life has to go through a lot because of him ...ITs painful i know.. but there is longing .. there is eternity ... and that is why i have never felt disconnected with Them or with Their Story... 😊

It wil also be a lesson for those who took wrong decisions in life ...choose Evil over goodness and Suffer inspite of the goodness concealed in their hearts..

Thanks for bearing with me..😊




@ Bold : U just said my mind.................
Yes,he should understand that it was his decision to choose that dreadfull evil path which spoiled his life as well as the only true love he had in his life...................Nakku...........
This can happen only when he understands "Nakku can never betray him"..When he starts trusting her blindly..........That wont harm him in anyway as Nakku always wnted & wants his happiness all along & nothing else..................
For this to happen,this is the time.........He should realise it himself without anybody's influence....The more the damage he does to his relation,the more he repents & the more will he realise..................
So,these rifts between them rt now just leads to his gradual realisation of Life & Love.........
He should understand the "Notions" or "Fundas" he made like............"Beauty means betrayal" or "Love is betrayal" is wrong.............Till that time,he will have to suffer.........
Hehould understand Life have no notions...........It is just a time or situation or circumstances..........Not all beautifull faces are betrayers.........For this realisation to happen,Nakku is the only person who can help him in this........Nakku is doing the same............
Her true Beauty & true Love are the only weapons though which Dutta can think in rt path & see the truth of life..........to say "The Bhalaayi aur Buraayi" in life...............
That is what Dutta needs rt now.............Nakku is motivating him towards that.........
The end will definitely be good as Nakku is fighting with truth on her side so is God.............
Once when Dutta realises this , forget about Kala even God cant make him think even in his dreams that "Nakku will ever betray him".............
But,to reach that phase this time of "Fight" is very important..................So,I am all to it........
PS : Sara,I think it is good for the people to open their heart-out.ITs obvious for them when they see some bad happening to TaSha to get worried or dissappointed as we all love TaSha.........
When,this all gets end....It will be very nice to see all smiles in their faces.....I will say that,If anybody feels something wrong or disheartened towards something they just have to open it up........😃
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Saaki--

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PS : Sara,I think it is good for the people to open their heart-out.ITs obvious for them when they see some bad happening to TaSha to get worried or dissappointed as we all love TaSha.........
When,this all gets end....It will be very nice to see all smiles in their faces.....I will say that,If anybody feels something wrong or disheartened towards something they just have to open it up........😃

saaki.. i agree with you here.. sara, dont feel bad with negatie posts🤗.. all of us are human here and the way we relate to ltl and to what extent varies. also it also depends on what you as a viewer like watching on telly and the best thing about this forum is that it gives you the freedom to express your views as long as you are not bashing anyone personally .. and i am not surprised to see negative comments as it is only natural that for some who have kept Dutta on a pedestal to see that he might stoop so low.. again, infidelity track is not sure, but just the thought/indication itself is unbearable to several people and hence they are posting these msga.. as a married woman, i can totally agree with several people who say that trust once broken, will be unbelievably impossible to gain again and for nakku to forget the hurt that he would have caused her. so each to his own. i think the best part of this forum is that we can all air our diff views.. now if we all thought the same, what is the fun in that😉
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Kavi.. hey i just wrote our Kavi without even thinking.. glad you liked it.. i too love the way Kavi sounds!
not too much time to reply to every point u made, but had to reply to this
find it hard to imagine a jealous Dutta because of our "comic cherub"...He does not even come to the mark....As Poo famously said in KKKG, he is frankly "not applicable"
personally i liked the choice.. with nakku living ina basti,i would have been a bit surprised if a well toned, good looking dude came for her... when this guy mouthed lines like my dad drank with ganpath etc , it was very much believable.. he looked the part.. we could not get a good looking one and pass him off as from basti, sorry not to mean that all bastiwale are not great looking.. i think one apsara from basti is enuf for me.. LOL
and i can assure you that when it comes to a posessive sort of hubby, it does NOT matter how the guy looks.. just the thought his wife may have liked someone or wanted someone else.. just the thought is enuf yaar.. so from D's POV, they could have got a 20 stone man to play this character, but would have had the same effect as it will hit his heart that his nakku could have liked someone too.. plus remmeber dutta is no saint when it comes to professional life, and is the last person to have an impact on how good he/she looks.. so personally i found this guy ok for the part!
over to you Kavi😛
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Sara, Liz, Crystal, Make-believe, Saki: Well said! I agree...and I have nothing more to add.

@Vandu: I agree with u on the Suresh guy. Woh jealousy hi kya that Dutta has to first check out if the our guy is equal to him in looks or not. The fact that Naku might have liked someone apart from him should be enough of a trigger. Btw I also feel right now Kala is trying to prove Naku to be a gold digger so it doesnt matter what the guy looks like....actually he looks real. Not all guys who live in bastis look like Mishal Raheja.
Also kinda reminds me of the Armaan gets jealous of Nandu track in JJKN. Hope this chap gets a good beating. 😃

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: prettywoman

@Kavi.. hey i just wrote our Kavi without even thinking.. glad you liked it.. i too love the way Kavi sounds!

not too much time to reply to every point u made, but had to reply to this
find it hard to imagine a jealous Dutta because of our "comic cherub"...He does not even come to the mark....As Poo famously said in KKKG, he is frankly "not applicable"
personally i liked the choice.. with nakku living ina basti,i would have been a bit surprised if a well toned, good looking dude came for her... when this guy mouthed lines like my dad drank with ganpath etc , it was very much believable.. he looked the part.. we could not get a good looking one and pass him off as from basti, sorry not to mean that all bastiwale are not great looking.. i think one apsara from basti is enuf for me.. LOL
and i can assure you that when it comes to a posessive sort of hubby, it does NOT matter how the guy looks.. just the thought his wife may have liked someone or wanted someone else.. just the thought is enuf yaar.. so from D's POV, they could have got a 20 stone man to play this character, but would have had the same effect as it will hit his heart that his nakku could have liked someone too.. plus remmeber dutta is no saint when it comes to professional life, and is the last person to have an impact on how good he/she looks.. so personally i found this guy ok for the part!
over to you Kavi😛

Bingo! I liked the actor for all the reasons you mentioned above. He was good in y'day's episode. If I were an onlooker, I'd be pretty convinced! I am glad they got a believable character instead of some sleazeball. But I think Kala should've hired Morey.😆 Now that would've got her Dutta's attention!
just the thought his wife may have liked someone or wanted someone else.. just the thought is enuf yaar..
This is what I'm hopeful about. 😊
And about your reply to this post, it's not the negativity that's bothering Sara or make-believe or me, PW! It's the fact that we jump to conclusions even before the whole track unfolds. I must give due credit to LTL, coz it has the power to uplift/depress us with a single episode. But honestly, we need to stop overreacting every time we are disappointed with an episode. I am not saying that I haven't been negative ever, but it'll have to be something REALLY drastic that makes me say something negative about the show. Everyone's entitled to their opinions. :) If there are people who have lost faith in the show, there are also people who still believe that this show has a lot to deliver. I am one. So, there you go..things are fine. :)
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Saaki--


PS : Sara,I think it is good for the people to open their heart-out.



Thats What even im doing.. Opening my heart out abt something which has been irritating me from quite sometime..
I have nothing against any opinion... But Before watching the execution of a track jumping into conclusions is not right in my opinion...

thats all i wanted to put in the first para of my post.. Rest was my Personal opinion to Kavita's topic..😊..

@ Liz

Thanks for calling me an eternal optimist..😊



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Posted: 14 years ago
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@SaRaW, @lizdarcy, @Saaki, @kshreya (sorry if I am missing out anybody but I will come back individually to each post
was trying to stay away from replying Because At this Point of time things are only being assumed because we are still not aware of what road will be taken by our Characters... Till yesterday most of us are sure of an infidelity track .. but half of the people are now relaxed after what they saw yesterday...
Im a bit irritated so I wanna point out a few things before i comment on ur topic Kavita 😊
Hey Sara,
Should I be grateful for the interest that this thread has evoked? May be as it says a lot about our passion for LTL, an E-LS which has from Day 1 flourished under the cloak of speculation. I am not such an addict of the famous French "Cinema Noir" hence the ability to be able to romanticise and rationalise all the outpourings on LTL. The premise of this thread was not to question the CV's ability to deliver on expectations or respond to speculation but where is the harm in requesting a more structured approach. This is a debate in itself and I will come back to the points raised a bit later. Like everybody else, I am finding it hard during the day hence the brief reply. It is but "partie remise" as the French term it.
Luv to all
Kavita
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