Tanya is Karan- diff. btw man and woman!!

Hey guys I have been reading a lot of posts about K-N, and I had a thought come to me that is very interesting. Something political: What is the role of a man a woman in our society?

Imagine a character like Nandini didnt exist, in place of her we had a guy an x-husband of Tanya. Imagine whatever happened to Karan had happend to Tanya. Tanya is bound to this marraige in the same way Karan is bound now to her.

What if after 20 years, her x-husband returns and Tanya wanted to return to him. Would Tanya be allowed to quit on her current marraige, quit as a wife, quit as a mother, quit as a DIL, because she loves her first husband more than her life and they were seperated due to some unfortunate circumstances. Her x-husband is a good guy just like Nandini and he made many sacrifices. Tanya and her x-husband are meant to be together, it is their destiny, it is what Tanya believes.

Many have said Karan made a mistake when he slept with Tanya and had Manthan, what if in this case Tanya was the one to make this mistake. Let just assume Bhoomi is x-husband daughter with Tanya, and Manthan is Karan and Tanya daughter. If Tanya didnt love Karan why did she consumate her marraige, will we accept her claim that it was a mistake and she feels she should not be bound to Karan for that one mistake. After all if men can make mistakes why not women.

Would we as an audience support her in her decision to leave Karan, eventhough Bhoomi and Manthan accept Karan as their father. Would the rest of SN understand Tanya dilemma.

Forget about Karan and Nandini, and open your mind to what it is that we as a society expect from a woman and a man. If a husband and father can quit his current marraige for true love, can a wife and mother be allowed to leave as well. What moral bounds are men allowed to cross that women arent? Are the rules different, should they be different, if it is is it fair.

Let have a clean discussion guys on this very interesting topic.

Please post your views. I would love to read them. In the end I will post mine. 😃

It is easy for a man to live alone, but it is much harder for a woman ( Nands) in our society.....

Do K and T share a relation in your story? It does not seem to be so....why be in a relation where everybody is unhappy....

the only natural difference that i can think of is that women had the - uh - physical structures necessary to take care of the child, whereas men didn't. this was one of the reasons that children had to stay with the women.

of course, that is nature.

problem is that when it comes to society, that got written in stone! which i think is not such a great thing.

today, i'd think that the man and woman can assume equal responsibilities and equal rights. especially if the children are grown up. with grown up children, the parents' duties are not physical, they are emotional. this is a job that both parents are responsible for - nothing prevents a mom from being as supportive or fulfilling as a father.

so with the tanya-karan situation, if a male nandini (nandina?? 😆) turned up and it was true love, i'd say all power to them. tanya has full rights to divorce karan, and set up house with her true love.

i think society has to, and is slowly evolving to accept this. i think it's a good thing. the number of divorces, especially among young people, is all about the idea that individual happiness is important to be a useful, good citizen. the acceptance of divorce in society shows that society is beginning to understand that men and women have equal rights to happiness, even if there are children in a marriage. i think that's a good thing.

of course, this started in cities. but it's also moving to smaller towns where you find higher rates of divorce. it's still a good thing. many many years later, we may see that the rates of divorce will come down. but then, even the rates of marriage will come down, because there will be other ways in which two people can live together and be happy together. and i think that'll be a good thing. 😆

the thing about a person with responsibilities is that a happy person can best deliver on her responsibilities. it takes a strong and better human being to fulfill their duties even when unhappy. it's not impossible, just more difficult. so, if being with the one you love makes you a fulfilled, happy person, then you will be able to act your responsibilities well.

we've seen how karan, in all his obsession with his unhappiness, completely messed up the character and mind of his wife, and of his children. he might as well as spent all those 20 years far away from the virani house, searching for his nandini. manthan and bhoomi, alone with tanya, and the rest of the house, will probably have become better individuals.

if karan had been able to set his own obsessions aside, that would've been okay too. like sahil has done to a certain extent. at least, between him and tripti, they've got one relatively normal and one exceptionally sweet child.

so the key is actually happiness and self-control. happy people are responsible people. if you can't control your unhappiness, then i'd say it is pointless to set up life on that path. seek and pursue happiness, and all will be well. 😆

big, big, big lesson for lakshya-kt, btw. kt weeps the moment she sees/touches lakshya. lakshya is doing a better job but not much. but if they're going to be perpetually miserable, they will not deliver on their promise of making others happy. then why try faking it at all?? as i said, saph: seek and pursue happiness.... 😆

just read my bloody posting. i think i'm trying to take over your role as counsellor! 😆

wowwww.... yeah very true.. nice point..

YES AN EXCELLENT POINT IM VERY GLAD U BROUGHT THAT OUT! [;)]

Originally posted by: maragathm

Hey guys I have been reading a lot of posts about K-N, and I had a thought come to me that is very interesting. Something political: What is the role of a man a woman in our society?

Imagine a character like Nandini didnt exist, in place of her we had a guy an x-husband of Tanya. Imagine whatever happened to Karan had happend to Tanya. Tanya is bound to this marraige in the same way Karan is bound now to her.

What if after 20 years, her x-husband returns and Tanya wanted to return to him. Would Tanya be allowed to quit on her current marraige, quit as a wife, quit as a mother, quit as a DIL, because she loves her first husband more than her life and they were seperated due to some unfortunate circumstances. Her x-husband is a good guy just like Nandini and he made many sacrifices. Tanya and her x-husband are meant to be together, it is their destiny, it is what Tanya believes.

Many have said Karan made a mistake when he slept with Tanya and had Manthan, what if in this case Tanya was the one to make this mistake. Let just assume Bhoomi is x-husband daughter with Tanya, and Manthan is Karan and Tanya daughter. If Tanya didnt love Karan why did she consumate her marraige, will we accept her claim that it was a mistake and she feels she should not be bound to Karan for that one mistake. After all if men can make mistakes why not women.

Would we as an audience support her in her decision to leave Karan, eventhough Bhoomi and Manthan accept Karan as their father. Would the rest of SN understand Tanya dilemma.

Forget about Karan and Nandini, and open your mind to what it is that we as a society expect from a woman and a man. If a husband and father can quit his current marraige for true love, can a wife and mother be allowed to leave as well. What moral bounds are men allowed to cross that women arent? Are the rules different, should they be different, if it is is it fair.

Let have a clean discussion guys on this very interesting topic.

Please post your views. I would love to read them. In the end I will post mine. 😃

Tell me, are you a mind reader? It's been going on in my mind for a few weeks. Anyhow, great topic 👏👏

Indian society regards females and males in different light, not with equality like they should. Males have the liberty to do anything they wish and get away with it. But heavens fall if a woman does something that is "against" the society rules regardless of how many males have done it before. And you know what's even sadder? Its female degrading females and then cribbing that the world's male dominated. If you don't treat your own race with respect, how can you expect others to respect it?

A male can go have as much as 10 affairs and no one speaks a word against it. But heaven forbid a female goes and has 2 affairs, people diss her; mock her and what not. A male goes and dumps his gf - everything's fine. No worries at all. but the earth is about to shatter if a female dumps her boyfriend: She is called "unpure","unlucky", "uncharacteristic" and what not. If a man acts like a player, he's called a "stud" and if a female does the same she's called a prostititue and more to that effect. Isn't that sexist? Believe it or not - Indians are sexists. One of the reasons why india is called a "third-world country". We are the very reason for our country's reputation.

Let's talk about the country that has the fairest charter of rights & freedom: Canada. I certainly believe that Canada is one country which has the most comprehensive and "fairest" charter of rights and freedom. For under the Equality Rights section, you see: (Source: Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms; http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/Charter/index.html)

[quote]15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.[/quote]

As opposed to the Indian Citizen Charter which doesn't mention a single thing about equality et al. Indian Citizen Charter can be found here: http://goicharters.nic.in/charter.htm Tells us right away which country respects individuals more, doesn't it?

Aren't females in India always given less importance than males? In USA and Canada, we have White Ribbon Day to recogonize those who died in the Montreal Massacre etc etc. Anything like that in India? HARDLY!!

Most indians have double standards when it comes to males and females. {Most} Indians always differentiate between males and females with the males bagging more respect than they deserve and females aren't getting as much respect et al, if they are getting any at all.

Sorry for going offtopic😳...Anyways, I think had Tanya been in Karan's place, people (More specifically females) would have bashed her, left, right and center. [Not like she isn't bashed enough now😉]. People would've called her "uncharacteristic" and more to that effect. Like I said, people in our society differentiate between males and females so Tanya being with her X-hubby would've been considered "wrong". However, since so many people around the forum think that Karan should be with Nandini, I think it's safe to say that Tanya being with her X-hubby is OK too but in other people's mindset, it won't be OK because she's a female and he's a male. Conventional conservative thinking & stupid society rules. If you know which idiot created them, do let me know. =)

😆 Anu.You no i tottaly disagree!


OK sorry..i cant be sarcastic like that. They day i disagree with all u said will be the day after my death! 😉

I tottaly agree with what u said

Love,

Roohani

Originally posted by: estee

just read my bloody posting. i think i'm trying to take over your role as counsellor! 😆

ah you created an amazing post. you are more than welcome to be the counselor on this forum. 😃

I loved what you said only happy people are responsible. That is so true. I think Karan has been mentally disturbed for 20 yrs, and it reflects on how his children grew up.

Going back to the main issue of the difference betw. man and a woman. I also agree with what anu said, women are held to higher standards than men.

I thought about this hard. You know what came to me the scenario of Gautam, Damini and Karan. Damini forgot Karan and moved on with her life with Gautam. Was this realistic, yes it is very realistic infact it is the most realistic thing ekta has shown. Women most women anyways have the power to take things as they are and move on with their lives. The way Karan treated Tanya this past 20 yrs giving her the cold shoulder all the time, I dont think it is possible for Tanya or any woman to do that especially when it is not Karan's fault. In 20 yrs she would have moved on. Women are more sensitive, we see the pain of others more cleartly than men can.

So the question is not whether Tanya should be allowed to return to her love, but will she want to. I think women have greater tendency to move forward in their lives past a fixation and learn to be happy.

I repeat not all women are like that. I am just generalizing. Tanya could also be like Karan, this again points to what estee said about only happy people are responsible. If she was as miserable as Karan, then she wouldnt give a damn about Karan and maybe it is best for her to leave.

If Tanya did what Karan is doing right know, we would be out there to cut her throat and calling her bad names. That I think is the reality of the situation, is it fair? I think it is fair to a point, because Tanya is the mother and Karan is the father. There is a fundamental difference between a mother and a father, yes both raise children, but a mother gives birth to her kids and even if she doesnt the bond between mother and kid is more divine. A mother can do anything for her child that is why I think Tanya will not walk the same path as Karan. Ah what about Mandira, lets remember she is evil and doesnt know the meaning of love. Tanya in karan's shoes would be a kind person, a mother who raised her children for 20 yrs would understand their pain first before seeing her own happiness. 👏

Ok that was long. Interesting and well written posts. Very thoughtful people on this forum. Good job guys. 😆

man ms seductive wow thta s a lot of research by u 😉