Immoral Desires? : Justajoo Discusions - Page 4

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

I love this song.. it has a haunting quality..if you know what I mean..

Yes Vidi, I understand and echo your feelings (pun intended😆)

The lyrics are wonderful..

True

I think dil nadaan hai..par usne acche accho ko nachaya hai😊

Originally posted by: sshirley

True.. Ashutosh is the guiltier here, whichever way u look at it.. but then, black is black, unlke all other colors where we say, light or dark (like blue or dk blue, lt green, dk green.) there is just black for black color, isn't it?

True.. both are black...

Of course, a lot of people would say, 'Grey' but isn't 'grey' too convenient a word.. I would then ay that all human race (or for that matter, all living beings) would come under 'grey'. isn't it?

Grey is a very convenient word... if we were to categorise people then only a handful of "normal" people wouldn't come under grey category

Okay now coming to the point.. as far as I understand Nidhi here, she was okay with Ashutosh's 'rules' as u term them, because she did not think it thru. And maybe this resulted in 'deluding herself and him' as u rightly said.. at the spur of the moment, the prospect of having a man like Ashutosh to fulfill her desires plus the added of incentive of getting one-up over pallavi, was too much to resist. Also, the illicitness of the relationship would have been too much for the 'adventurousness' of Nidhi to resist.

She didn't think it through... the three factors formed a very potent combination which pulled Nidhi towards Ashutosh.

Now we come to Ashu's POV. Its rightly said that a wanton woman can tempt even the most righteous men. While I don't believe in mythological scriptures, I think the menka vishwamitra story can be a case in point.

yes... and our Ashutosh is hardly a righteous man.. there was no way he was going to say no to an attractive woman who was offering herself to him.. I think Ashutosh made the rules of the game clear to Nidhi just to pre-empt any kind of ugliness later on.. he didn't want her to manipulate him and ask for commitment later on in the relationship.. he laid out the terms with his self interest at heart..Nidhi's well being didn't really matter to him

Also, it is said that men in general do not have the depth.. their thought processes are superficial. So maybe while deciding on the rules between them, Ashutosh dint realize that Nidhi may have at that moment agreed to them with every intention of abiding by them. But later on, she got carried away emotions like jealousy, possessiveness and hatred (for pallavi)

Jealousy and hatred were already in the picture even before the affair started in the true sense. Nidz hated Pallavi right from childhood..she was jealous of her popularity in her extended family..she hated her presense in her life,,she resented the fact that a share of her father's attention was diverted to Pallavi... she hated Pallavi's dead parents too...and when she saw that P was going to get a good-looking man for a husband, the jealousy boiled over... the guy P was getting was the kind she desired.. ... when her plans to woo him succeded, Nidz wasn't satisfied with sleeping with him just once or twice..she wanted to be with him for ever..to attain him... a warped feeling of love took over her.. Desire, love and morbid jealousy led to Nidhi's downfall

Also, in general, a man (esp. like Ashutosh here with his own family and flourishing biz to keep him occupied) can keep up a relationshiop on purely physical basis but a woman, even if she starts that way, starts needing more and more from the relationship with every passing day. It is a basic difference in the genetic make up of male n female.

Nidhi's emotional needs grew with time but Ashu never turned to her for the fulfillment of his non-physical needs.. in fact ( before Anika's death) he never turned to women (P atleast ) for companionship..

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

People please share your thoughts on Armaan? was he immoral? I am not talking about sexual immorality here ( he isn't immoral on that front).

well Vidi, in the strictest sense of morality, yes he is.. kehte haina galat ka saath denewala bhi galat hota hai... but unfortunately our society is such that Armaan had not only to support them but also join them in deceit to save his own skin, so to say.

If the society wud have been an ideal one.. i.e. people being respected equally, regardless of their sexual preferences, then, well, I don't think Armaan wud have encouraged or aided them..

yes I do think that as a human being, Armaan is far better than AshNi here..

(1)How wrong was he in turning a blind eye to AshNi affair ( Armaan knew of his friend's affair with his saali..and yet he didn't try to dissuade him from it... he condoned it and in fact let the erring duo use his rooms)

That was wrong on his part but ur point (2) below justifies it..

(2)Ashutosh had been a good friend to Armaan. He supported him when he was struggling to deal with his identity. Ashutosh never judged Armaan... so did Armaan (though it was unwarranted) return the favour by not judging Ashutosh?

Yes its both - true friends never judge each other. But more than that, as u say, it was a return of favour as u say. Also, if Armaan was straight, I am sure he would have dissuaded Ashutosh from this relationship. In fact had it been in his power, he would have talked him out of it.

(3) Ideally, Armaan should not have entered into a sham marriage... but he wasn't bold enough to face the society and wanted to put up a front . Armaan had put forth the proposal in front of Ashu long before Nidz got pregnant but AshNi accepted it only when the circumstances changed... so who is guilty here ? Ashni or Armaan? Armaan sought to use a situation created by Ashni.. he didn;t arm-twist the duo into accepting his proposal. Was he really wrong in thinking of his self interest ?He didn't seek to preserve his interests at the cost of others.

Yes all three entered into the agreement with their eyes open.. no one forced the other... while one may argue that Ashutosh kind of forced or rather forced Nidhi, one must remember that Nidhi here is too strong a character to be forced upon.

In this one aspect, Armaan looks like an opportunist. But if he is, so are AshNi..

Moreover, as I see it the case of Armaan vs. AshNi is like Basic subsistence Vs. Luxuries. Yes, to survive in this hypocritical society and to get over his mother's constant persistence... Armaan NEEDED the tag of marriage and a family in the eyes of the society, while for Ashni, they wanted something more than what all they already had.. it was not needed for them any way u look at it.. Ashutosh even though he might not get the "desired response" from pallsvi (though she still did everything that a wife should do, only maybe she was too conservative and did not make her moves as we say) could still lead a good life with her and Anika..

(4) What is Armaan's duty towards Pallavi?..like insaaniyat ke naate? Armaan is Ashutosh's friend but did he sidestep ethics in his zeal to stand by his friend? Armaan should have counselled Ashu to either avoid having an EMA or end his marriage before embarking on a pleasure seeking journey..he didn't do that... but is he Pallavi's gunehgaar or not? he wasn't particularly close to Pallavi.. they never had a strong relationship of trust anyways... so what do you guys think?

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

@ above post- I agree. Nidz wasn't coerced into marrying Armaan.. it was her conscious decison. She did her calculations and then came to the conclusion that marrying Armaan would serve her interests the best.. She wanted to continue her affair with Ashu...bear his child and bind him to her...

Ashutosh had given Nidz a choice to move on..but she refused. Her own inability to relinquish the attachment she had towards Ashutosh forced Nidz to marry Armaan.

Nidhi's calculations went wrong... but that is not Ashutosh's mistake..at least not entirely.

Originally posted by: Veni-Vidi-Vici

Marrying Nidz with Armaan was a huge risk for us for us..what d you say Shirls?😉

Ab tak Armaan Niidhi ka bhai ya bhai jaisa jeeja tha... and we guys committed sacrilege. 🤣