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Tia.0

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Posted: 8 years ago

#11

There are women who are demanding more and more of their rights. But for every woman who are demanding their rights, there are many more ready to accuse them for being demanding and a lot more who are taught to have no rights.

Does that mean there aren't woman who take advantage of men? Of course there are. There will always be good people and bad people in all gender's.

But if you look at the society as a whole, women are in general still the most disadvantaged lot. There's no way to deny that. Just opening a newspaper is enough.

In society at least a man is not deprived of their human rights. Yes, they get their heart broken as woman and they get hurt just like women. But they can live alone if they want to without marriage and without worrying about their safety, they never have to leave their family and live with a new family and endure taunts and insults, they are never asked to give up their wishes, hopes and dreams for women.

I can't say anything about your family because that's not my place.

But I'd think both men and women are in equal position if both of them live with their spouses (if they have any) in a separate house from their parents or both with their spouses live with their parents.

If one lives away from the parents, but the other lives with them, equality rules don't apply since then they have separate standards.

But I agree, we should do unto others what we'd like others to do unto us. And that's exactly what Feminists do. They fight for equality for both men and women.

Originally posted by: pkbdas61
ah,ha! for once i have to disagree with you as it cannot be generalised. It may have been true, as a general rule, for a few generations ago, but in today's generation the whole paradigm is rapidly changing. The woman of today is far more street smart, far more wise, far more demanding... .. i am talking of the woman, who is educated and city bred. On the contrary i feel that today's men are fools.. i see that in my son.. a young man of 27 years and i see how he is taken for a ride by his many girl friends.. he is truly an emotional fool. I have seen a girl break his heart to the point of acute depression. i also see how my 31 year old daughter behaves with her husband.. i think my daughter is smarter overall and there are times i feel sad and bad for my son-in-law...

If we all follow the simple rule, irrespective of being a man or a woman, - do unto others what you would like others do unto you, it would bring about a radical change in society. One would really not have to get into being a feminist or a male chauvinist or the like..

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Tia.0

@Tia.0

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Posted: 8 years ago

#12

The problem is that women are expected to be this strange holier than thou person who is the epitome of goodness and self-sacrificing idol.

But why? Aren't we human being?

When we ask for financial independence either by getting a job or by asking for our share of money or property which is by the way equal under the law, we are greedy or a gold-digger.

When we ask for equal rights and respect, we are man hater.

When we refuse to forgive and forget, we are not understanding.

Why? Why can't we be neurotic, quirky, demanding, ambitious? Men are all of those and yet their life partners not only understand that as part of their personality but also accommodates them. Why can't women have the same? Why can't our life partners understand our quirkiness, ambition, desires, demands and show us understanding?

Tameez se maangne par agar rights milta, duniya mein itna civil war nehin hota. Bas request hi kafi hoti.

Originally posted by: .Avengers.
We are just blind in love. For parents, for husband, boyfriend, brothers...but ourselves. That's our biggest sin. we are so blind that we don't even realise when we sell pieces of ourselves for so called loved ones.

And to think that it's the very same thing which is expected from us again and again . . . Sabke liye socho bas khudko chor ke. Guess compromising comes easier than actually taking a stand and raising voice. That takes too much courage, and of course there is people whispering behuda ladki ko tameez nahi hai

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Jessicafang

@Jessicafang

Beginner

Posted: 8 years ago

#13

Well said! actually,you know who hurt women most? that's' womanso sad

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Tia.0

@Tia.0

Sparkler

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Posted: 8 years ago

#14

Precisely. Women are women's worst enemy.

Originally posted by: Jessicafang
Well said! actually,you know who hurt women most? that's' womanso sad

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Push-pull

@Push-pull

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Posted: 8 years ago

#15

And this applies to Ishu as well... She's been an emotional person with low confidence in her own self... As a single parent it's all double the efforts... Be it a father or a mother...

Ishu didn't have the scope to remarry in her times, with or without kids... And there too a single father could have chosen to remarry with kids... But if a man chooses to be single then that would have been a point of praise for him... But for a woman not even an acknowledgement of it... It's assumed that she had to be single with her kids and had to struggle on her own...

And yes she did... No doubt about that... I am still ok with whatever way she chose to bring up the kids... With her own limited resources and limitations and in a world that she has seen, through her experience...

It's all fine... She deserves to be applauded...

But but... She can't just claim everyone to understand her pain thus continuing her bad behaviour to her own loved ones, just to keep her secure in all this...

She sure can give room to accept her flaws and the gaps in her upbringing... If she claims to be the good woman with love for fellow human beings, and stands by what's right and wrong, then she sure gotta behave differently...

And that's where we as women unable to support her in her bad behaviour... From her struggling past she should have been more confident in herself and not rely on Dev to reassure herself for her well doings... But she had taken an extension of herself in Dev to do whatever she couldn't do, and to compensate for her shortcomings in providing for her kids as a parent... And instead of accepting that she did whatever she could, she took too hard on herself... If only she had loved herself for whatever she was able to do then and not depend upon Dev's love as a reassurance of her efforts... And now she needs Dev's love as a constant reminder that she had been at her best...

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EkNoKiNashedi

@Phir_Mohabbat

Trailblazer

+ 13

Posted: 8 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: tia.o
The problem is that women are expected to be this strange holier than thou person who is the epitome of goodness and self-sacrificing idol.

But why? Aren't we human being?

When we ask for financial independence either by getting a job or by asking for our share of money or property which is by the way equal under the law, we are greedy or a gold-digger.

When we ask for equal rights and respect, we are man hater.

When we refuse to forgive and forget, we are not understanding.

Why? Why can't we be neurotic, quirky, demanding, ambitious? Men are all of those and yet their life partners not only understand that as part of their personality but also accommodates them. Why can't women have the same? Why can't our life partners understand our quirkiness, ambition, desires, demands and show us understanding?

Tameez se maangne par agar rights milta, duniya mein itna civil war nehin hota. Bas request hi kafi hoti.

I guess that's the question we all ask ourselves. Why us? What's so wrong being a woman and expect these basic humanity from.society?

Guess we get to blame our oh so great ancestors. I sometimes think what started this whole women is a second class citizen thingy. Maybe it started when they saw another species which looked nothing like them. Once initial disgust past (different physique, weak, whiny, pathetic, zero strength) they started to see it as something else. An uplifter who always give pep talk. Nice to cuddle with. Soft body to pound into. A slave who cries yells but stays there. Easy to throw away like tissue. And it continues for centuries. Sure there were different women, but they were not really a part of normal societal culture. A goddess, a poetess, a cheap wh**e. A different league altogether.

Why society expects us to be like that is because it's used to us being that way. Cause they made us like that, just the way they made ladke rote nahi, mard ghar chalate hai, mardangi and the general macho guy figure. That's why when a man behaves differently he's gay. That's why if a woman try to fulfill her vision through another she's whiny and selfish. It's been going on from ages. None really sees a girl, maybe except the mothers. They see her, the female. But don't get her. Maybe too vague, too complicated. Maybe it gives them a headache.😆

PS don't mind me asking but did you have a fight with hubby? This kind of posts are not uncommon from you but no epi tonight na?

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Hari73

@Hari73

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Posted: 8 years ago

#17

I agree with you tia.. We women are emotional fools.

We women with in ourself has some exceptional quality of forgiving and forgetting. We keep on sacrificing and adjusting. Some are lucky enough at least they get admired and some don't even get that.

How many of us love ourselves. though we are financially independent, still we put spouse/children/ parents first than us. We think about their liking and disliking than us. If you take me, if my husband and my children travelled and if I am staying alone, may be I will live with bread and jam..don't bother to cook. I eat whatever available kind of.

I think we women should learn to love and live for ourself. then I think equality starts flowing. till then we I don't see that is happening.

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Tia.0

@Tia.0

Sparkler

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Posted: 8 years ago

#18

Good point. Another thing applies here as well is her financial independence. A large portion of her insecurity/confidence comes from her dependency on Dev's wealth.

She raised her children and as such she has full rights on her children's earned money.

Why didn't she ask Dev to open Fixed Deposits for all of her daughters and herself from where a portion of the interest will be paid out to them every month as income? That would have ensured their financial independence and they'd never have to ask for money from Dev.

Imagine what impact that would have on them.

1. No fraudulent signature on pre-nup and no insecurity acting up thinking Dev will forget his responsibility.

2. Neha would have had her own money so no divorce from her husband.

3. Riya and Nikki didn't have to ask for every little thing from their brother so a less selfish relationship.

But again, asking for their own financial independence is considered to be mercenary for women. Instead complete dependency on men trusting them to take care of them is of course a more acceptable womanly behaviour.

Originally posted by: Push-pull
And this applies to Ishu as well... She's been an emotional person with low confidence in her own self... As a single parent it's all double the efforts... Be it a father or a mother...
Ishu didn't have the scope to remarry in her times, with or without kids... And there too a single father could have chosen to remarry with kids... But if a man chooses to be single then that would have been a point of praise for him... But for a woman not even an acknowledgement of it... It's assumed that she had to be single with her kids and had to struggle on her own...

And yes she did... No doubt about that... I am still ok with whatever way she chose to bring up the kids... With her own limited resources and limitations and in a world that she has seen, through her experience...
It's all fine... She deserves to be applauded...

But but... She can't just claim everyone to understand her pain thus continuing her bad behaviour to her own loved ones, just to keep her secure in all this...

She sure can give room to accept her flaws and the gaps in her upbringing... If she claims to be the good woman with love for fellow human beings, and stands by what's right and wrong, then she sure gotta behave differently...

And that's where we as women unable to support her in her bad behaviour... From her struggling past she should have been more confident in herself and not rely on Dev to reassure herself for her well doings... But she had taken an extension of herself in Dev to do whatever she couldn't do, and to compensate for her shortcomings in providing for her kids as a parent... And instead of accepting that she did whatever she could, she took too hard on herself... If only she had loved herself for whatever she was able to do then and not depend upon Dev's love as a reassurance of her efforts... And now she needs Dev's love as a constant reminder that she had been at her best...

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baijubavra

@baijubavra

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: tia.o
Good point. Another thing applies here as well is her financial independence. A large portion of her insecurity/confidence comes from her dependency on Dev's wealth.

She raised her children and as such she has full rights on her children's earned money.

Why didn't she ask Dev to open Fixed Deposits for all of her daughters and herself from where a portion of the interest will be paid out to them every month as income? That would have ensured their financial independence and they'd never have to ask for money from Dev.

Imagine what impact that would have on them.

1. No fraudulent signature on pre-nup and no insecurity acting up thinking Dev will forget his responsibility.

2. Neha would have had her own money so no divorce from her husband.

3. Riya and Nikki didn't have to ask for every little thing from their brother so a less selfish relationship.

But again, asking for their own financial independence is considered to be mercenary for women. Instead complete dependency on men trusting them to take care of them is of course a more acceptable womanly behaviour.

I always considered Neha to be an early investor in Dev's company with sweat equity. Why can't she join the company as one of the honorary board of directors ? Dev can also help her start something else that interests her. This way Ranveer should not feel any issues if Neha brings in any money in their marriage. Right now, they treat it as Dev is doing a favor to Ranveer by offering him a flat. Also, Ranveer is shown to be averse of Neha getting any money from her maikaa, does that mean that he did not want any money if his wife was a working wife? What if the wife had some early investments that are maturing now? I have a friend who comes from a very rich family and the husband did not want any money from them. The wife was Helping her dad's business that they closed after she moved to the US with the husband due to some other resaons . She decided to stay at home to enjoy life as a stay at home parent but convinced the husband ( who is like Ranveer) to let her use her part of the dad's wealth. Now they spend the husbands money for regular necessities and the husband does not stop her from using her money for luxuries that she is used to. They are both happy ! What do you think of this scenario ?

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Tia.0

@Tia.0

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Posted: 8 years ago

#20

Lol... No I didn't have fight with my husband. He is extremely sweet and thoughtful. The reason I made this post is because this is what I heard today. My family physician is an Indian woman married to another doctor and is pregnant. Today my husband and I had our physical check up with her. She was asking my husband to eat healthier because he gained weight. He said that sometimes he works longer hours so he doesn't have always time to take lunch from home. As it is when he comes late, I cook dinner those days which is more often. He can't ask me to prepare separate lunch for us as well. That would be taking advantage of me.

She said why can't she (i.e. I) cook everyday? She is a doctor with full time job, she still does everything at her house including cooking everyday while being pregnant.

My husband said because that would be taking advantage of me. We both work full-time and we both do household work. If I willingly cook everyday and make lunch, he'd be grateful. But he can't take it for granted that I will do it because I am a woman. As it is, he won't be able to share the responsibility of carrying children because it is biologically impossible. But the rest of the tasks he can share with me.

That's why I wrote this post. This lady is a doctor (a very good one) and she is heavily pregnant. And she is still doing everything on her own. That's fine if that's what she wants to do.

But she still believes that other women should do the same because they are women? I'd happily help out my husband anyway I can. If cooking for him everyday makes him eat healthy food, I will do it. But he'd not assume that I have to do it like my doctor did.

I am not upset with her. But upset with this tendency even women taking another woman's role for granted.

Originally posted by: .Avengers.

I guess that's the question we all ask ourselves. Why us? What's so wrong being a woman and expect these basic humanity from.society?

Guess we get to blame our oh so great ancestors. I sometimes think what started this whole women is a second class citizen thingy. Maybe it started when they saw another species which looked nothing like them. Once initial disgust past (different physique, weak, whiny, pathetic, zero strength) they started to see it as something else. An uplifter who always give pep talk. Nice to cuddle with. Soft body to pound into. A slave who cries yells but stays there. Easy to throw away like tissue. And it continues for centuries. Sure there were different women, but they were not really a part of normal societal culture. A goddess, a poetess, a cheap wh**e. A different league altogether.

Why society expects us to be like that is because it's used to us being that way. Cause they made us like that, just the way they made ladke rote nahi, mard ghar chalate hai, mardangi and the general macho guy figure. That's why when a man behaves differently he's gay. That's why if a woman try to fulfill her vision through another she's whiny and selfish. It's been going on from ages. None really sees a girl, maybe except the mothers. They see her, the female. But don't get her. Maybe too vague, too complicated. Maybe it gives them a headache.😆

PS don't mind me asking but did you have a fight with hubby? This kind of posts are not uncommon from you but no epi tonight na?

Edited by tia.o - 8 years ago

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