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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: tia.o

Excellent point as well... However, that explains the feelings Ishwari is having. That doesn't justify what she is doing about it though. She always claimed to be only concerned about Dev's happiness and that was the reason she brought Sona back. But since then she has changed her view on Dev's happiness back to her happiness. Until now, she was just using her past to make Dev feel guilty. But now she is using her one child's unhappiness to hurt another. Ishwari might identify herself as Dev's mother. But she can't deny being a mother to her daughters as well.

People with empty nest syndrome cope with the help of other family members like spouse, parents, relatives etc. Ishwari isn't even bothering about anyone else unless to score points against Sona.

What struck me most weird was when Ishwari knocked on Dev's door at late night and said, "Your sister has come home Dev. Don't forget your family after making a new relationship. What have you arranged for Vicky?"

It seemed to me that she used Neha to remind Dev about his priorities to his family and then forgot about that completely.

Again no talk about Neha until Dev made honeymoon plans. Nothing stopped her from cooking five course meal on Dusshera or even celebrating the Navratri festival thinking even Neha would like to celebrate this festival with her husband.

And that's why her behaviour didn't match her just being at a loss for identity but more of a loss of control over Dev.


But from Ishwari's perspective, her control over Dev *IS* her identity. Remember, she was brought up in a system where women are taught that their only value is in relation to men, so Ishwari prided herself on how indispensable she was to Dev, and how much he minded her wishes. He was supposed to be the enactor of her will in the outside world. In her way of thinking, the extent of her value to him is the extent of her value period. She has no vocabulary or framework to understand her achievements outside of this idiom, nor does she feel like she interact directly with the outside world. Dev was primed to carry out her tacit orders so he seemed proactive and she seemed ever-supportive and submissive... as women are supposed to be.

I think we forget that it's a huge advantage to even have concepts like "empty-nest syndrome" in our collective consciousness. Knowing about it helps us understand what our feelings mean, and that we are not alone in feeling them. This creates a sense of validation and support while also pointing towards solutions. Those of us who have this vocabulary can see that Ishwari is suffering from deep anxiety and insecurity, but Ishwari herself does not have this advantage. She does not have a name for what she is feeling, a diagnosis that links all her symptoms. Even physiologically, you have to diagnose the underlying cause of the symptoms before you can treat the illness.

Ishwari is conscious of some of the symptoms and they do worry her: she can't bring herself to be happy in Dev's happiness, she lashes out at Sona for no reason. Yet other symptoms are invisible to her because she doesn't know there is any other way to be: getting so desperate to control Dev that she uses her daughters as pawns, for example. Again, it's like someone who has been in pain their whole life... they won't know they were in pain, or what it feels like not to be, until they are diagnosed and treated. And of course, the first, and most difficult step in all of this is asking for help.

I feel the current track is unfolding the recognition of the problem by Sona. Both Dev and Neha know Ishwari's symptoms: Dev covers them up and Neha tries to expose them, but nobody, including Ishwari has really thought about a long-term solution because the issues are too raw and traumatic for all of them. Now Dev is opening up to Sona about it slowly -- after the double dinner he gave her the briefest glimpse into the complications they face. With her newfound perspective on their relationship, Sona will start to recognise more of Ishwari's symptoms, like manipulation and passive aggressive communication, the tools of women for whom direct communication is too much of a risk. As someone with a fresh perspective and an ample store of positivity and love, hopefully Sona will be able to give Dev strength to open up and face these issues so they can work towards a healthier family dynamic.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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First of all Thank you all for taking the time to read this post and providing your insights on it this encourages me to continue to write.

The reason I even wrote this post is

I am a mother of two children and an empty nester now a recent one. The feeling of emptiness is real. I felt this especially when my younger child moved away and I am not in anyway partial I love them both equally but he was my baby and even though I knew in my mind he will move someday when it happened it was a big change for me. I am a professional, have a lot of friends, have quite an active social life, have hobbies but still I felt the void and my identity was shaken a bit the identity of not being a mother not that I am any less now but the actual mothering aspect of it cooking his favorite foods, watching basketball with him because that was a way to spend time with him, hear about his day to day activities etc. this even though he had moved away to college four years prior to him actually moving out. So in essence I was a empty nester four years ago but it became very Real when he actually moved. That is what I was trying to relate to Easwari.

Here we have someone whose whole life revolved only with Dev maybe because of circumstance , maybe because of choice but only HIM. She felt she was losing him when he cried for Sona during separation and so like a mother who does not want their child to be unhappy bought him his favorite toy sorry did not want to be crude but maybe in her mind that is what happened. She seems to have flashbacks only of Dev and that too only of his childhood not even as a young adult why is that?. She does not have any flashbacks of her daughters. This makes me think that even though she has other children Dev has and is her only focus , purpose and identity . When your whole purpose and identity is shaken to the core you tend to react and not always positively. That is all I was trying to say maybe was happening of course with a lot of drama thrown in.

I of course respect all of you who have pointed out that she is manipulative, jealous etc which is what as a mother I feel a disconnect and I certainly don't have answers for as my reference point is my identity as a mother.


Thanks again. Sorry for the ramble into my personal life.

Have a blessed weekend

Edited by gemini54 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#33
nice topic.
personally, I don't think ishwari has empty nest syndrome because well...the nest is not empty. and it is not like dev moved to the U.S after marriage. this is a simple case of obsession, jealousy and a little bit of jacosta complex. it does not look like biopolar either or any other mental illness.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: gemini54

First of all Thank you all for taking the time to read this post and providing your insights on it this encourages me to continue to write.


The reason I even wrote this post is

I am a mother of two children and an empty nester now a recent one. The feeling of emptiness is real. I felt this especially when my younger child moved away and I am not in anyway partial I love them both equally but he was my baby and even though I knew in my mind he will move someday when it happened it was a big change for me. I am a professional, have a lot of friends, have quite an active social life, have hobbies but still I felt the void and my identity was shaken a bit the identity of not being a mother not that I am any less now but the actual mothering aspect of it cooking his favorite foods, watching basketball with him because that was a way to spend time with him, hear about his day to day activities etc. this even though he had moved away to college four years prior to him actually moving out. So in essence I was a empty nester four years ago but it became very Real when he actually moved. That is what I was trying to relate to Easwari.

Here we have someone whose whole life revolved only with Dev maybe because of circumstance , maybe because of choice but only HIM. She felt she was losing him when he cried for Sona during separation and so like a mother who does not want their child to be unhappy bought him his favorite toy sorry did not want to be crude but maybe in her mind that is what happened. She seems to have flashbacks only of Dev and that too only of his childhood not even as a young adult why is that?. She does not have any flashbacks of her daughters. This makes me think that even though she has other children Dev has and is her only focus , purpose and identity . When your whole purpose and identity is shaken to the core you tend to react and not always positively. That is all I was trying to say maybe was happening of course with a lot of drama thrown in.

I of course respect all of you who have pointed out that she is manipulative, jealous etc which is what as a mother I feel a disconnect and I certainly don't have answers for as my reference point is my identity as a mother.


Thanks again. Sorry for the ramble into my personal life.

Have a blessed weekend


🤗 Gemini dear we both are in the same boat. ..even I am mother of 2 boys..I am working too..i felt so emtiness and restless when my elder son went for higher studies. Our life revolved around their food, cloth, stidies and their necessities. My elder son is naughtier side.. so he used occupy my most of the time...when he left for the first month I felt so miserable. .now I am ok.

But I don't think my son will be ever Dev or I will be ever eshwari😆. I am sure if I show slightest symptom of eshwari I will get nicely back from children and husband.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@pramila
Hugs to you too and welcome to mother of 2 boys club. Yes thank god I am no Easwari and my sons are no Dev!. If I veer towards being a Easwari I am sure my husband and my kids will rein me in😆

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hugs to you Gemini...

My mom-in-law went through the same as I know my own Mum did. At least my Mum had a job to occupy her time. But my mom-in-law was a full-time housewife.

As I mentioned before, my husband moved out when he was 18 to go to University. My in-laws live in Alberta and my husband went to Carlton University in Ottawa. If you see Canada's map, you'll still won't get any idea of the distance unless you traveled across country. If you go from coast to coast (from Pacific Canada to Atlantic Canada) it takes as long time as it takes to go from Canada to Europe (about 10 hours flight when time changes 6 times). From Alberta to Ontario, time changes two times.
But my mom-in-law, while she missed her eldest son, did not really feel the empty nest until my brother-in-law, her youngest, her baby moved out just like you (My husband is also one of two boys). She tells me now how difficult it was to find her purpose in life.

My husband never came back in her home because after university he got his job in Ontario. My brother-in-law went to a school in Alberta but he was never into studies as much as my husband was. So he somehow finished his college and then got married and moved into a house across the street from my in-laws. His children who were running back and forth between two houses across the street filled the void somewhat for mom.

But what really made her get over it is reading which she picked up as a hobby. She got a Kindle as a gift from my husband and that was it. She started to borrow books from online public library and buy them over Amazon.

Now it's been about more than 20 years since my husband moved out and about 20 since her youngest did. Mom is an avid reader and since she also got a iPad now, a regular Panda Pop player which she plays with me sometimes online. But due to time difference (we are two hours ahead) and my job, she doesn't get as much chance to find me online.

But the kids, my husband's nephew and niece are there and she has her hobbies. We also go on a family trip once a year which we all look forward to. In 2014, we all went to India. Next year someone suggested somewhere in Caribbean or Disney cruise (that was my suggestion)...

So don't worry, dear Gemini. This phase will pass. Your children will be back. This is an unbreakable bond. In the meanwhile, we are all here to entertain you.
Edited by tia.o - 8 years ago

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