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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnnzSageflower7

it's a pity that Sonakshi said clearly that she hates the idea of prenup. If not Dev would have at least discussed with her what his lawyer talked about.

Bijoy is more mature. He said clearly that it's insulting for Ishwari to suggest that they need to protect themselves from Sonakshi as Dev's wife. Like she's a parasite about to eat up the whole cake.

I dont think the idea of pre nuptial agreement is wrong. But not the one sidedness of it.

Dev can keep his company and divide it among his siblings and mother. But he cannot deny financial support in terms of alimony or child support in the event of a divorce.

Ishwari is not protecting her daughters but estranging Dev's wife from her family. At the very least offer her one equal share with her sisters. She is coming as a wife !

I saw the document on pause and didn't see the child support but. Did Ishwari just make Dev sign away his child in the event of a divorce???! How can a mother be this heartless!!!

if I were Sona , I would sign the papers but only after my lawyers have read it and I have added some clauses to safeguard my own savings and future earnings and children.

How embarrassing would it be if Dev went into losses and Sonakshi was the one to give her savings to help him back up?

Prenuptial agreement has to be signed by both of the parties. I hope they show this. If the makers want to educate people, better do it correctly rather than as a prop.

The PreNap is to protect the rights of children both born before marriage happened ( if either of them had children from another spouse before) and those who will be born through present marriage.irrespective of who gets the custody a fair share will be allotted for the sake of children
Iswari or for that matter even the couple have no right to deny it.
The main blunder that was shown yesterday is that Iswari dictated the terms and conditions.
She has no right to do so. The agreement will happen only when both the lawyers and the couple discuss and agree to the terms. No lawyer will prepare the agreement as per the wishes of an illiterate mother of one partner. That itself is absurd.
So the whole thing looked fake. Unnatural.
Edited by ltelidevara - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Priya-

How can ishwari not want to give property to dev sonakshi's kid (supposing they eventually have one and ishwari doesn't know yet)

Try to understand. Iswari has no right to deny the rightful share for Dev's children. The whole episode yesterday was irrelevant.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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let me make one thing very clear which it seems noone has noticed...the lawyer had already made the papers up even before dev has read it...the lawyer (lets call him L) presented the papers to dev already typed and conditions written down...i admit the script is not totally flawless but the issue that is taken up here is that how can ishwari input those conditions...
let me mention again it is L who has written the conditions and not ishwari...ishwari only told L to make the papers...and i dont understand even if ishwari is illiterate still she can understand this much as explained by the lawyer that if divorce happens then half of dev's property will go to sona...itna sa samajhne ke liye u dont hv to be well educated...

this is wat ishwari feels...she thinks if half the property goes to sona then very little will be left for her 3 daughters...so wen L said that this agreement will protect the property ishwari gave a go ahead and told him to make the papers...in her limited knowledge she only understood this much that the papers will state that sona will not hv no rights over dev's property...the other terms and conditions regarding the child r written by L and not known by ishwari...


ok now the second question can be what gave L the right to make such papers...how dare he exclude dev's future child from the property...that paper was only a draft and dev and dev's family has every right to make changes...as a lawyer of the company L's intention is only to protect the company and not the rights of some future child...so L made the papers without any emotions but it is upto dev to read it properly and make changes...he has every right as the owner of the company to gv away not only half but the entire company to sona if he wishes...so in that sense i dont blame ishwari for his concern for her daughters...the way dev is crazily in love with sona it can happen that today if sona agrees to sign the papers on the condition that she gets everything after divorce dev mite very well agree just to get married to her...nywys thats another topic of discussion...


so my point is that ishwari only told L to make the papers she doesnt know wats written in them...and the papers r only draft and dev can make changes...till a paper is signed it has no legal value...
here ishwari made dev sign widout his knowledge...so he gets no scope to make changes...however he isnt even ready to sign so changes to dur ki baat hai...ishwari still doesnt know that dev's future child will hv no rights...that is why i feel that ishwari is falling into her own trap...tmrw if divorce happens and there is a child dev will lose all rights over it and he and ishwari will not be able to do anything...


and about consulting a lawyer by bose family...bijoy has already shown the papers to his lawyer and so he knows wat r the conditions written in the paper...yes i agree sona will need to sign after consulting her lawyer...dev has already signed...sona's is needed...how it will be accomplished that we hv to wait and watch...yes only thing they r violating is that sona may not consult a lawyer before signing...but anywyz i dont think sona will sign the papers...the matter will get solved widout the agreement going to the court...so relax guys...at least in my perspective they hv shown nothing wrong...


and nywyz in a serial y do u guys expect everything perfect by the law...this is not any legal show...just enjoy a nice show...this is a beautiful show and letz not complain over petty issues...
Edited by adoremevirgo - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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They're trying to attempt something new but without doing proper research!.. I wonder if they've a team to work on this things... tbh I'm not happy with any of this tracks.. Even devakshi marriage is not exciting for me because I've seen good shows ruined after marriage of ml and fl.. And I'm sure that this cvs are going to create some huge problem between devakshi to avoid consummation and intimate scenes, and they've taken this prenuptial agreement route for that...nothing else.. They've no intention to show what is prenuptial agreement and what happens in someone's life because of that... But I hope they proves me wrong.. And I've doubt if types of agreements are valid in India
Edited by sompi123 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I have said it somewhere before also Prenuptials are not valid legal contract in India. I don't know why our soaps make a mockery of legal system in India. Marriages are not considered a contract in India hence a contract contingent on marriage is null and void. In India we have maintainance laws for women but no prenups. I am actually tired of shows leaning onto these contracts this way or the other to gain TRPs. It is too boring to see creatives doing the same mistake again and again. Prenups are a concept of west not applicable in India
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Not Valid Yet.

Prenuptial agreements are not valid in India. The Contract Act nullifies all contracts with respect to marriage or which has marriage as a consideration. This is why, you will never come across Indian couples entering into a contract.

Interestingly, Hindu marriage is not considered to be a contract in the way Muslim marriages are. Prenuptial agreements are likely to run over the domain of personal laws (religious laws that govern family law), considered a holy cow in India - so it is unlikely to be allowed very easily.

To allow such agreements, new law will have to be created to give validity and also delineate what matters can be governed by such agreements and what will continue to be governed by statute or personal law.

update: The Law Ministry has started a consultation process to legalize pre-nuptial agreements in India. It would probably still take upto 3-4 years to become enforceable law from this stage.

That which is still in planning stage is used to move the story and cause rift between the leads .Hillarious.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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u hv mentioned about so many legalities regarding prenup and it seems the show has violated all...for ur kind information except in goa (which follows Portuguese law) no other state of india has any law regarding prenup...prenup is legal in america, indonesia and other countries but not india so i dont know where u found such legalities...

yes once signed on a stamped paper this becomes an agreement like any other agreement...but wat will be included in a prenup agreement those things r not governed by law...

"In India, prenuptial agreements are very rare and do not have any governing laws. However, with rising divorce rates people are showing increasing interest in prenups. Some lawyers are of the opinion that prenups don't have legal sanctity in India. However, some form of contract is signed in some cases, usually among affluent citizens. But, the agreements need to be reasonable and not violate pre-existing laws like theHindu Marriage Act. Indian courts allow a memorandum of settlement to be signed during divorces. But, no court has yet been asked to enforce a prenup.[4]

These agreements may come under the Indian Contract Act 1872. The Section 10 of the Indian Contract Act states that agreements are to be considered contracts if they are made by the free consent of the parties.[5] However, the Section 23 of the same act states that a contract may be void if they are immoral or against public policy.[6]

Goa is the only Indian state where a prenuptial is legally enforceable, as it follows the Portuguese Civil Code, 1867. A prenuptial agreement may be signed between the two parties at the time of marriage, stating the regime of ownership. If a prenuptial has not been signed, then the marital property is simply divided equally between the husband and wife."


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Not Valid Yet.

Prenuptial agreements are not valid in India. The Contract Act nullifies all contracts with respect to marriage or which has marriage as a consideration. This is why, you will never come across Indian couples entering into a contract.

Interestingly, Hindu marriage is not considered to be a contract in the way Muslim marriages are. Prenuptial agreements are likely to run over the domain of personal laws (religious laws that govern family law), considered a holy cow in India - so it is unlikely to be allowed very easily.

To allow such agreements, new law will have to be created to give validity and also delineate what matters can be governed by such agreements and what will continue to be governed by statute or personal law.

update: The Law Ministry has started a consultation process to legalize pre-nuptial agreements in India. It would probably still take upto 3-4 years to become enforceable law from this stage.

That which is still in planning stage is used to move the story and cause rift between the leads .Hillarious.

Hail cvs creativity👏
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: adoremevirgo


u hv mentioned about so many legalities regarding prenup and it seems the show has violated all...for ur kind information except in goa (which follows Portuguese law) no other state of india has any law regarding prenup...prenup is legal in america, indonesia and other countries but not india so i dont know where u found such legalities...

yes once signed on a stamped paper this becomes an agreement like any other agreement...but wat will be included in a prenup agreement those things r not governed by law...

"In India, prenuptial agreements are very rare and do not have any governing laws. However, with rising divorce rates people are showing increasing interest in prenups. Some lawyers are of the opinion that prenups don't have legal sanctity in India. However, some form of contract is signed in some cases, usually among affluent citizens. But, the agreements need to be reasonable and not violate pre-existing laws like theHindu Marriage Act. Indian courts allow a memorandum of settlement to be signed during divorces. But, no court has yet been asked to enforce a prenup.[4]

These agreements may come under the Indian Contract Act 1872. The Section 10 of the Indian Contract Act states that agreements are to be considered contracts if they are made by the free consent of the parties.[5] However, the Section 23 of the same act states that a contract may be void if they are immoral or against public policy.[6]

Goa is the only Indian state where a prenuptial is legally enforceable, as it follows the Portuguese Civil Code, 1867. A prenuptial agreement may be signed between the two parties at the time of marriage, stating the regime of ownership. If a prenuptial has not been signed, then the marital property is simply divided equally between the husband and wife."


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You must have not seen my added post just above this where I mentioned Pre nup is not valid yet in India. It is still in planning stage and may take time to become valid. In my main post I dealt with the def advantages and disadvantages and the nature of a Pre Nup. For I thought first it is better to know what it is and how it can be implemented. In my add. Post I Said it is not valid yet. There are countries which already are implementing it . I hope you go through that.

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