Confused as hell ! - Page 2

Originally posted by: sappushivu

Probably then the difference lies in our understanding of the term "doormat"...he idolizes and respects his mother to an extreme level..he doesnt go beyond what she says coz he fears hurting her...according to him, she has suffered a lot and now the onus is on him to bring her our of all the days of struggle and unhappiness and make sure she is never humiliated ever again...to give her a respectable life and make her feel like a queen...and that for me is not being a doormat...

For me a doormat wld b defined as "" a person who is the habitual object of abuse or humiliation by another." or " One who submits meekly to domination or mistreatment by others."" This is how most dictionaries define a doormat kind of person..here , he is not intentionally subjecting himself to mist reatment or abuse..he thinks his mother loves him much more than he can even imagine...forget even realising that he is being played with...according to Dev, there is no abuse or humiliation or mistreament here coz the person in question is his mother..he trusts her more than him...so how can he b called a doormat ? It wld be different case if he knew how wicked his mother is..if he knew she was plotting against him..and still humbly allowing her to do so..but here thats not the case at all...for him, his mom can never be wrong..

Yes , i agree to the flaws u mentioned..abt realising that his mom is a human and is capable of making mistkes..thats something i always agreed to..n i want him to realise it soon..that she can b wrong too...

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Originally posted by: sappushivu

How many instances should I show where Ishwari says "Mai tumhari ma hoon aur tum mujhe sawaal kar rahe ho?" ...lehenga scene and stove scene. I can show more.

Which mom doesnt speak this way and which child wldnt keep quite then?? i dono what you are talking abt but any child who respects his or her parents wldnt raise his voice against them unless absolutely needed..my mom says similar thgs like i am ur mom..i know better so u shut up..and all i can do is shut up coz at the end i believe she has seen the world more than me..i wonder if i am a doormat too😆..if thats d case i know lot of doormats..probably u r more of a rebel and you tke the liberty to go against ur parents hence u feel so..

The moment she asserts her authority, he acquiesces. How is it different from submitting meekly to domination.?

Submitting meekly to ur parents is something thats been a part of Indian culture since long 😆

Also just because he isnt aware that his mother is mistreating him, it doesnt make him any less doormat. The actual doormat that we use in our homes also isnt aware of its status, does it make it any less of a doormat?

how can you compare a non living thing (doormat) to a walking talking Dev Dixit 😆..offcourse a nonliving thng has no idea what it is..lol..comeon...u cant say jus abt anythin to prove your point😛

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Infact his not realizing the situation makes him not only a doormat but also delusional.

Need I go on?😉😉😉

Oh no please..there is no point in arguing when we wld never come to a point where we might agree to one another..lets jus agree to disagree.:)

Originally posted by: siddhi.d123

BOLD - absolutely true. does not make sense at all. Wonder where it is taking us.

Originally posted by: spacenoxx

How many instances should I show where Ishwari says "Mai tumhari ma hoon aur tum mujhe sawaal kar rahe ho?" ...lehenga scene and stove scene. I can show more.

The moment she asserts her authority, he acquiesces. How is it different from submitting meekly to domination.?

Also just because he isnt aware that his mother is mistreating him, it doesnt make him any less doormat. The actual doormat that we use in our homes also isnt aware of its status, does it make it any less of a doormat?

Infact his not realizing the situation makes him not only a doormat but also delusional.

Need I go on?😉😉😉

Edit: We can discuss semantics all day but the issue is simple. Ishwari says - he does. If she says any harsh things to him, he accepts (I think she once said she was ashamed of him suggesting the falt to Ranveer), She implies she is not happy he rejects Sona. She could even humiliate him and he would accept it. Thats the textbook definition of a doormat.

ha, ha, ha... you will not relent will you!! you are one hell of an intriguing person, really.

if you recall, i used the word "imbecile" once. i still stick to that. I also once told - he is "not a real man", i still stick to it too. this whole track is so meaningless and meant for the gutter.

love is not for the faint hearted or the fearful. it really does not matter if it is father or mother, or anyone. a person who loves can respectfully confront anybody and anything. All it needed for was for him to have Sona on his side and he could have fixed the problem. Now i will also add that he is ""blind and deaf" too. Sona has told him clearly that their relationship will complete the other, not compete. She also told him that Ishwari is not just his maa, she is her maa too. what more does he want?

Dev has been shown to have multiple organ failure - his head, his eyes, his ears, his hands, his feet, his gut.. his everything.. except his heart. He is in a vegetative state.. comatose, as it is called. once he wakes up, he may not even remember what he has done.. even driving away Sona. What wakes up a person from this vegetative state is only something that the heavenly creator can comprehend. Likewise, creatives in flesh and blood only know when they will wake up this comatose affected character.

Not starting a theological debate but Dev is a bit like our Lord Ram. Does what his parents say, what society says but not what his heart says.