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Posted: 6 years ago
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Aneeqa, what a brilliant post. Such a thoughtful analysis of what Krishna has been going through during this track.

I am so sorry to hear that you went through a painful betrayal in your own life. Thank you for sharing that with us, your forum friends. ❤️

I completely agree with you about Krishna's state of mind. I also think it's kmportant to remember that Krishna's question to Veer was if he killed Radhe. Not if he was trying to run away, if he was planning to abandon her. For Krishna, the starting point, the root, of Veer's crime is that he hit Radhe and left him to die. When he answered yes to her question, that made her accept that he could have done any of the other things BS accused him of - marrying her to protect himself, trying to flee to London. Because in Krishna's mind, anyone who can hit an innocent man and leave him to die on the road is a coward and a killer (her own words). So at that point, she was susceptible to believing all of the other negative things about Veer. And as you said, she no longer felt that she could trust anything that Veer said to her.

For those who feel that she should know better than to trust BS, I honestly think Sunaina did way more damage. Not just during this track, but when she kept trying to conceal the truth behind Veer's nightmares from Krishna. Because of that, Krishna now feels that Sunaina and Veer have been betraying her for a long time.

I think it was interesting that Dubeyji asked Krishna to consider that Veer has always stood by her side and helped her. He basically voiced what viewers are thinking - remember how much Veer loves you. But Krishna can no longer even trust her memories of Veer, because the accident took place before they even reconnected in India. So in her mind, every interaction they have had was with Veer knowing that he killed Radhe and not telling her. That's why I think it's significant that Veer didn't finish telling her in court that he didn't know that it was Radhe who he had hit with his car. That truth has been left unsaid between them.

Re: how Krishna might feel when the truth finally comes out, I think she'll feel guilty, because at her core, that's who she is. Yes, she'll still know that Veer was the one who caused Radhe's accident and fled, but I think she will be mad at herself for not allowing Veer to fully explain himself. However, Krishna being a rational person, I don't think she'll wallow in that guilt for too long, because she'll acknowledge the circumstances that forced her to reach these conclusions about Veer.

I can't wait to read your other character analyses!!
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: annx

I understand that she did limit his answer, but looking from her perspective, you really in the state of mind to comprehend everything? Let's view it from her eyes. Let's just go through the facts.

Like i've already said i can totally see from where she is coming and so i've no qualms with how she reacted. All i wish that she had given him a benefit of doubt. This is only a wishful part from my side nothing else and i'm completely fine with how she reacted.

Veer suddenly got up and left during the lawyers meeting. That was the last time she saw him.

Her mother visits, claims he left for London and asks her to accept the crime.

Shukla comes to her rescue, bails her out. She knows he can't be trusted - but then she looks at the pictures. She looks at GPS and other records which prove that Veer was at the accident's location.

She, then along with police, goes to look for Veer. Veer is found awake, near the international airport, with a ticket in his pocket.

And then he says yes! He accepts that he caused the accident!

Whatever he says after that becomes meaningless. She can't deny what say saw! There is no excuse left.

It takes years to rationalize things after a betrayal. How can anyone expect Krishna to rationalize it within seconds!

Even if Shukla had not told Krishna that their marriage was a reason to protect himself, Krishna might have assumed it under the circumstances. Anyone would!

SRKian - you're Anika, right?

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You draw parallels to the airport track. Yes, Veer gave her time to explain. And then what? He threw her out of the room. So if Krishna had given him a chance to speak, what would have changed? You bring the trust factor. But that yes along with facts had broken that trust.

Didn't krishna do the same to him by slapping him mid sentence and limiting him at only yes or no? Veer at least heard both sides of the story.whether he wanted to to believe her or not after it that was up to him. Likewise,i wanted(just my personal preference) her to hear him out and then walk away from him.Even veer was okay if she walked away After listening to his version. Surely it wouldn't 've changed anything but at least somethings would've gotten cleared.

The only reason why i brought the trust factor in here is because of their current equation.During that time they were not even in love but atm they are not only in love but also man and woman..if she can expect him to hear her out and believe her then...i don't see any reason why veer couldn't expect the same especially now that they are married. Definitely,the trust between them is a lil more now.But yes His yes has broken whatever lil faith she had on him under that circumstances.

Let's suppose Shukla had not said a word. Instead, someone else had informed Krishna and gotten her out, and she had found Veer under the same circumstances - do you believe she would've trusted him then? NO! No, because the fact remains he did kill Radhay and fled. The fact remained that he was found near the International airport with a ticket in his pocket! The fact remains that Sunaina had informed her that Veer was leaving. The fact remains that Sunaina had begged her to accept the crime. The trust broke the minute he accepted the crime. Krishna just added the fact to come to a conclusion - she did not accept anyone else's truth - but made her own!

that would've been a different story.She of all people knows how shukla is.she knows very well that he is someone who won't shy away from using his own dead son for his own gain. to believe in his every word is kinda hard to fathom for me especially when veer was already framed by him once and she herself was framed by the same man just a few hours ago.If she could question the duplicate documents when veer was framed then i don't see why it was hard for her to question the evidence now? If the fact remains that veer killed radhey and fled,finding him near the airport and sunaina's stupidity then the fact also remains that Veer didn't betray her neither he was running away.

You insist on Krishna allowing Veer to explain, I say any explanation would not have changed anything.

Like i said it probably wouldn't 've made any difference but at least Veer's truth would've come out.Whether or not she believed him afterwards that's upto her. And it is not about changing anything.Veer is guilty and he was brave enough to accept the same. He didn't want to change anything.All he wanted for her is to believe in him that he did not betray her and his love was not a pretense.This part at least would've been in the back of her mind and something in the near future would've triggered it and she'd 've realized that he wasn't lying just like it did for veer when he got to know that his sister was pregnant not krishna and then he realized what a mess he had created for her on his own. But for Krishna now someone has to tell her the complete truth and in all likelihood it wouldn't be veer.Probably his london friend...🤔

Also, you are expecting too much from a person whose life has been turned upside down within a second! One truth and everything came crashing down. You are expecting too much logic and trust and coolness. This does not happen in real life. One truth and nothing else matters. You start questioning every breath you spent with that person.

Maybe i'm expecting a little too much from her. But then again between Veer and her,she is the level headed and rational one. Despite everything that shukla did till date to her if she can give him the benefit of doubt then i don't think i'm expecting too much from her to give a benefit of doubt to veer as well.But of course if she had given him that then this track would've been over even before it started 😆

You draw parallel about destroying life vs destroying life - I agree. In one of my posts, I've talked about death vs death and Krishna's life and dreams vs Veer's life and dreams. So yes, the parallels exist, but makers have chosen to not touch on those parallels.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: annx

Krishna

Almost every ITV show's female lead is betrayed by their male counterparts but none has been this painful. Never has a character's betrayal affected me or taken me to my past the way Krishna did. She reminded me of me 10 years ago. I could relate to the betrayal, to the lost trust on everyone, to the hurt and to the pain. She wasn't angry, no she wasn't - she was betrayed - she felt used - she felt dead within. A betrayal from your loved one destroys you. It changes you as a person within seconds. If you can't relate to any of this, I am happy for you! I truly am - because then you have never been betrayed by the person you have trusted the most. The person you had hoped from, the person who gave you dreams, a reason to live, a reason to smile. Krishna was betrayed.

Responding late.U know my late lateef attitude😆.Aneeqa...firstly I would say it's her notion that she was betrayed but in reality she was not.So,I won't use the words 'Krishna was betrayed'.Sorry for what u have gone thru.. dear.


She was bailed out by the man who was against her happiness, she knew that. She refused to take his help. But then, he presented the case in a way that she had no choice but to listen. Did she believe him then? No, she didn't. She didn't believe him, even with all the evidence she did not believe him. She went asked Veer - had Veer said no, she would have given him a chance to explain and she would have believed Veer. Had Veer not been found near the international airport, with a ticket in his pocket - she would have listened to him. But his yes' changed all of that.

Aneeqa ...I don't agree that she didn't believe.Of course she did believe him.If she wouldn't have believed...she wouldn't have that kind of body language while going to meet Veer.She was like a raging lion who didn't go to verify the truth of the fact but to give her the final verdict that he is a cheater and what she feels for him now.Her every body language and gestures showed that she wasconvinced to whatever BS has told to her.There was no breaking down...no devastated gesture in her body language it was

plain anger.Anger of being betrayed ...anger of hurting her ego that she trusted a wrong man.If she really wanted to know the truth she wouldn't have asked him to answer in a single word...'yes or no'.If Veer would have said ' no' then I really can't fathom. ..what deadly her reaction would have been.Do u really think after saying 'no' she would give him a chance to explain?She would have become more mad at him.And moreover Veer has been a man of truth...would he choose this path??A 'no 'would have made things more worse... an explaination starting with a white lie ...


Veer had given her hope, a new life and new dreams - he had rekindled her dreams of being a doctor and then, just like that, everything was taken away. A simple yes, took it all away... Years ago that one phone call changed my life. Did I call and confirm? Yes, I did. But that one yes, destroyed everything. Just like it destroyed everything for Krishna. Nothing else mattered. No explanations. Nothing.

Look ...Aneeqa your and her case is different.U were conversing on the phone but here they were infront of each other.Face to face confrontation make a hell lot of difference than over the phone.A lot can be said ...a lot of facial expression and reactions could be seen which does makes a difference.

Ishani, you have been complaining about lack of communication, and to a logical, cooler mind this all sounds simpler - but in real life, when the person closest to you betrays you, no communication works. Krishna did not trust on Shukla. She listened to him and then gave Veer a chance to say no. You say she should have listened to him completely - maybe she should. But would that change anything for her - absolutely not! Why? Because no explanation changes anything - how is she supposed to trust him now. Any word he utters could be a lie to protect himself. Hell, how can she be certain he actually loved her. The evidence pointed against Veer, he was found near the international airport with a ticket in his pocket, he did vanish from the lawyers meeting and was not to be found, he did lie to her about the accident, he was having dreams about him killing someone, his mother did beg her to accept the crime she had not committed. No, she did not trust Shukla, but she cannot, now, trust Veer too. You say she should have gone to meet him once, she should have listened to him - looking from her perspective - how does she now he is not manipulating her, again? She knows he has emotional power over her and she does not want to trust him again - or anyone else.

Firstly Aneeqa ..I hate miscommunication.Talking solves a lot of problems. .. it takes out all the grudges and misunderstandings.If u have gone thru a betrayal ... then let me tell u one thing, this debarring me to talk it out or explain myself have made me also loose a relationship or better I would say the relationship have turned bitter.As for Krishveer they trusted each other even when they were just teacher and protege.If u remember the scene in the house where they were tied up by goons and Veer asked her if she at all trusted him while opening the ropes..she said yes.Trust was between them from then and it grew till this incident.So,it's not that trust factor was not there.My question is wouldn't I be in a dilemma before believing into all the evidences and that too when the evidences has been povided by the man who just few hours back have sent her to jail for the murder of his son?What's the gurantee that whatever he is spilling is all true ,now??Aneeqa ... I would never trust a man so easily who have backstabbed me numerous of times even if how serious allegations it be or how many evidences he brings.You are saying how will she know that Veer is not manipulating her again and I ask u how could she be so sure that BS was saying the truth whe she he has brutally backstabbed her many times and moreover Veer has always been his target.She is a modern girl doesn't she know photos can be photoshopped...and trapping a person with fake evidences is his 'baye haath ka khel'.And one more thing ..whenever everything turns against the flow...it's the instinct that works and that only comes if u have loved the person wholeheartedly.My question to u is after their reconciliation ... if again BS or any other person comes up with such full proof plan of trapping Veer and everything turns against him will she thrash him ,like this again??I mean then it's clear that Veer's fate will always hang on evidences... no inert feelings or instincts will make Krishna feel that Veer is true...right??

Veer did have a chance to say the truth - in the court. He could've explained it to the judge. Krishna was sitting there, she would've heard him - but Veer did realize that it would look like he is saving himself, protecting himself. So he did not even say it to the court. At least, the running away part could've been cleared in the court. Veer did have a chance to explain, even if it was an indirect chance.

Yes...Veer did have a chance in court and but she just simply walked away when he said he have killed but didn't betray her.Even then she didn't stand in the box to hear him out.Even when prosecutor asked her a valid question about BS framing her in Radhey's case she just shut him up..clearly stating her views .It was crystal clear... she was convinced about Veer being a cheater and was least intersted on hearing his explaination.Aneeqa..his explaintion could have later made her ponder about or may have hammered her mind with passage of time which may made her to search and realize the truth.But alas!!she closed that route.

You then question, the factor of trust. I agree with most that had their relationship been given some time the trust would have grown stronger - but remember, although trust can grow stronger with time yet, it could be broken as easily. It does not matter if the yes' had come 10 years later, or now. Trust was broken. The only savior of this trust would have been Veer's confession - and that too on time. He had plenty of time to confess - he could have talked to her during the meeting with the lawyer - or when he came to see her at midnight - or when he went running to his mother- he could have confessed to her. It would have changed things. She would have listened to him, would've been angry too but wouldn't have felt betrayed!


This betrayal has changed her (or will post leap). Her emotions will be guarded now, she'll be scared to feel, she'll be hard, she'll not be able to trust anyone again - at least for a long long time, and she'll be focused - focused on herself and her career.

This track also showed Krishna's weakness - her unguarded emotions. It was her emotions that she forgave Shuklain for everything, it was her emotions that made her trust Shukla and sign the papers, and it was her emotions that made her eat the drugged prasad when she was to meet Veer at the airport.

Aneeqa...here I will say ...it's her love for Radhey that has made her more weak towards his family.So,even after so much of harshness,brutallity and backstabbing,degrading,abusing she has forgave and trusted them again and again.(Sorry ..Aneeqa ..I'm admitting that Krishna had truely loved Radhey ,as makers are hell bent on showing that.Even in the courtroom makers have made her admit that Radhey was her 'sab kuch'.)The greatest proof has been when she didn't submit the CD in the police station during medicine scam . Veer's reputation was at stake..he was tortured...many lives were lost but still she saved BS and Triloki from going to jail.

When the betrayal is revealed, it kills all your emotions. That's what happened with Krishna too. Today, when she refused to accept anything from Shuklain and Shukla, even Radhay's name could not soften/ weaken her today.

Here again i disagree..She refused it bcoz it will make her feel uncomfortable to work in the hospital which has been bought by the so called 'cheater ' Veer.Moeover the hospital does hold memories of her and Veer where their love flourished.

She has changed. She has finally recognized her weakness and has buried her emotions now. The betrayal has changed her.

The common assumption is that once the truth is revealed post leap, Krishna will be guilty. My question is what truth exactly? That Veer was not running away, that he still loved her - the fact remains he did kill Radhay. He did hide the accident truth. Nothing changes that. Yes, Krishna will be partially guilty, but this truth is the only thing that will heal her. I look forward to her healing!

Aneeqa .. the truth that Veer still loved and didn't cheat her and the truth that he have died a thousand times (nightmares are the proof)after the accident and his earnest effort to find the family of the dead person and help them out will heal her.She would get that belief in her back that she didn't love a wrong person and have done nothing wrong in trusting him before.


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Uff !! a lot of writing...sorry dear ...this time I think we are not on the same page.And thanks for addressing my queries.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I've been reading everyone's opinions and thank you so much for appreciating, agreeing and disagreeing with my opinions.

I said in my very first post that I am not writing to change anyone's opinion or to convince anyone.

Every story has three sides, her, his and the truth. As viewers we see the truth but the way characters reacts is their sides - and hence sometimes understanding what the character is going through becomes complicated.

I feel most of us are judging Krishna and Veer from the viewers point of view since we know the truth. The characters don't.

Whatever I wrote was from Krishna's point view. Even then I know the my views are just one perspective. Just one opinion.

I don't agree with you Ishani - I don't - but you know what, that makes me happy. Happy, because whenever a storyteller is telling a story, they develop characters that everyone can relate to it in one way or the other. You have perceived the story one way, I have perceived it another way - at the end of the day - the storyteller has won! Just like two people will not react to the same situation in a same way! We don't have to agree with the way Krishna reacted - to you it was wrong, to me it was natural. You feel she trusted Shukla, I feel she didn't. That's how you look at her character, I look at it differently. And you know what, I am certain the storyteller wrote it in a way neither you and I would have perceived!

I understand your and Anika's miscommunication concerns and I agree but I also feel that in the circumstances the communication was just not possible. But that's my opinion.

I'm enjoying the discussions though... keep discussing! 😊


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I know I was supposed to write about other characters but I got busy. I'll do it during the course of this week... considering this week would probably be introduction to the leap...
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: annx

I've been reading everyone's opinions and thank you so much for appreciating, agreeing and disagreeing with my opinions.


I said in my very first post that I am not writing to change anyone's opinion or to convince anyone.

Every story has three sides, her, his and the truth. As viewers we see the truth but the way characters reacts is their sides - and hence sometimes understanding what the character is going through becomes complicated.

I feel most of us are judging Krishna and Veer from the viewers point of view since we know the truth. The characters don't.

Whatever I wrote was from Krishna's point view. Even then I know the my views are just one perspective. Just one opinion.

I don't agree with you Ishani - I don't - but you know what, that makes me happy. Happy, because whenever a storyteller is telling a story, they develop characters that everyone can relate to it in one way or the other. You have perceived the story one way, I have perceived it another way - at the end of the day - the storyteller has won! Just like two people will not react to the same situation in a same way! We don't have to agree with the way Krishna reacted - to you it was wrong, to me it was natural. You feel she trusted Shukla, I feel she didn't. That's how you look at her character, I look at it differently. And you know what, I am certain the storyteller wrote it in a way neither you and I would have perceived!

I understand your and Anika's miscommunication concerns and I agree but I also feel that in the circumstances the communication was just not possible. But that's my opinion.

I'm enjoying the discussions though... keep discussing! 😊


Dear... u don't have to agree with me and vice versa.Everybody has different way of looking at life and they perceive according to that.I suffured in relationship bcoz of miscommunication and u suffered bcoz of betrayal.So,naturally our fear and concern will be different.

And I completely agree with u that the Story teller has penned down the character sketch according to his/her perspective. Bcoz if u remember in Renu's thread we discussed about Krishveer and Radhna's difference in love ...where we were sure it was not the kind of love Krishna feels for Veer incase of Radhna.But look ... the CVs are hell bent to make us believe that Krishna was madly in love with Radhey.So,yes the perception differs.

But anyways ..I do love healthy discussions where everyone can put in their opnions freely .

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Originally posted by: annx

I know I was supposed to write about other characters but I got busy. I'll do it during the course of this week... considering this week would probably be introduction to the leap...


Loved the way you wrote krishna and really excited to see what you have to say about the rest of the characters. Please don't let the leap affect your current analysis of the characters
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Originally posted by: divine_16


Dear... u don't have to agree with me and vice versa.Everybody has different way of looking at life and they perceive according to that.I suffured in relationship bcoz of miscommunication and u suffered bcoz of betrayal.So,naturally our fear and concern will be different.

And I completely agree with u that the Story teller has penned down the character sketch according to his/her perspective. Bcoz if u remember in Renu's thread we discussed about Krishveer and Radhna's difference in love ...where we were sure it was not the kind of love Krishna feels for Veer incase of Radhna.But look ... the CVs are hell bent to make us believe that Krishna was madly in love with Radhey.So,yes the perception differs.

But anyways ..I do love healthy discussions where everyone can put in their opnions freely .


It's very true we all seem to have read that scene in different ways . Some seem to think that she believes shukla and she was going to confront veer about his murder while others and I'm one of them believe that it has nothing to do with shukla and it's that she put her trust in him (Veer)but he abandoned her to save himself. He asked her to trust him that he will do everything in his power to save her but he disappeared and his mom pressured her to take the blame for his crime . Seeing all the evidence specially when the ticket is hanging out of his pocket there is no room to trust or believe anything he says . Shukla is not someone she trusts and Radhe Was very special to her but that's not what her face off is about in my opinion. She believes he tricked her into falling in love with him to save himself and when the time came she became the sacrificial lamb .
But that's the beauty of the discussion we all learn from how others interpret what they see
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Originally posted by: divine_16

Dear... u don't have to agree with me and vice versa.Everybody has different way of looking at life and they perceive according to that.I suffured in relationship bcoz of miscommunication and u suffered bcoz of betrayal.So,naturally our fear and concern will be different.

And I completely agree with u that the Story teller has penned down the character sketch according to his/her perspective. Bcoz if u remember in Renu's thread we discussed about Krishveer and Radhna's difference in love ...where we were sure it was not the kind of love Krishna feels for Veer incase of Radhna.But look ... the CVs are hell bent to make us believe that Krishna was madly in love with Radhey.So,yes the perception differs.

But anyways ..I do love healthy discussions where everyone can put in their opnions freely .


That's what I said too 😊 wasay I had almost lost my best friend of 22 years due to miscommunication so yes, I do understand miscommunication too... but then you see this situation as miscommunication - I don't. Because I still feel that if Krishna had given a chance for Veer to speak - nothing would've changed... you think otherwise... that is why I love this show 😊

I still believe Krishna did not love Radhay, not like she loved Veer.
And I still feel Krishna is not angry because it was Radhay but because he left a person to die and ran away... As a human and as a doctor he should have helped him!

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Originally posted by: Houstonmom


Loved the way you wrote krishna and really excited to see what you have to say about the rest of the characters. Please don't let the leap affect your current analysis of the characters


Thanks. Don't worry, I will keep my post leap and pre leap analysis separate. I already have my notes. Need to just sort them.

What's your name btw?

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