pyar,ishq,mo'bat,ibadat AND prem-heer-are-one? :D

so this is a post that is totally nans' (-Nansy-) fault. so if you get bored, blame her... 😆

'cause it was she who introduced me to this song. it goes ''khudaya ve, ishq hai kaisa yeh ajeeb hai.''

now i'm bad with hindi songs. i'm slow to understand the lyrics. and so slow to get the melody stuck in my head. but for some reason, for the last two weeks or more, i'd been going around with this one playing n my head. and the funny thing is that when it came to writing out birthday wishes for her, it seemed sooo appropriate that i felt like singing this song to her, for her.

but strangely, my fingers stilled when i thought of writing that line for her on my birthday wish: ishq hai kaisa yeh ajeeb hai.

i don't know hindi/urdu too well. but it just seemed wrong to use ''ishq'' to nans. ''pyar'', yes. i could say ''pyar hai..'' to her. but ''ishq hai''? sounded totally wrong.

which made me think about it a little more. *and come up with yet another long estee post in the bargain! isn't it amazing how everything just makes me write such long ones?? 🤣*

there are sooo many words in hindi for ''love'', no? and the most often used ones that i know of are ''pyar, ishq, mohabbat''. once upon a time, i thought they were the same. but thinking about nans, and me. and of course, the love that prem and heer share. and tossing it all in my head, i realised that maybe these three words were not as equally applicable as i once thought.

so forgive my bumbling along. but here's what i figured: 😃

• i think that ''pyar'' is the simplest, maybe most innocent form of ''love''? anyone can have ''pyar'' for anyone else: mothers for their daughters, friends for each other, a girl for her lover. so me and nans? ya, what i feel for her is a pyar. prem and heer -- definitely, that's pyar.
• ''mohabbat'', on the other hand, is the deeper form of ''love''. this is more like tha tlove that lovers have for each other? here, things got a little more complicated. somehow i figure that me and nans can't have ''mohabbat''? but the love between my mom and me could be ''mohabbat''? salim and anarkali, that was ''mohabbat''. prem and heer, that is ''mohabbat'' too. or have i got it all wrong?
  
• ''ishq'', in contrast, is the physical form of ''mohabbat'', if i get the nuance right. there can be ishq without mohabbat. like i think that ashlesha had for preet. (just mho, of course.) that i can't have for my mother, or for nans. but that prem and heer do have for each other. man! does prem have for heer, and vice versa! 😆

so looking at the whole thing put together: i think that unlike (say) me and mom, or me and nans 😆, it's only in prem and heer that we get to see all three forms of love: pyar, ishq and mohabbat.

but then i thought 'bout it a little more. and i figured that even that wasn't enough to think about prem-and-heer kinda love.

pyar, ishq, mohabbat wasn't enough to completely describe prem-heer-are-one. no matter how i turned the words in my head -- prem-heer-are-one seemed a little larger than ''pyar, ishq, mohabbat''. as if when it came to what these two felt for each other, it all became ''just pyar, ishq, mohabbat''.

are those words enough? are they enough to describe these two, who have seriously convinced me that they were born in the stars, just for each other? is pyar, ishq, mohabbat enough to capture the sense that they have actually taken on many forms through the centuries, through the different ages? that their physical forms have come and gone, but their essence lives? and that as long as there is one more generation of the human race, the atoms and molecules will come together again, to bring us one more version of prem-heer-are-one?

what could capture that statement that i so believe in my depths today: ''heer prem ka prateek hai. aur prem? prem sabsey zyaada heer mein samma hai. prem aur heer ek hai. ek hai prem aur heer.''

does pyar,ishq,mohabbat capture that enough?

am i the only one who suffers from the strange feeling that - somehow - those words do not capture prem-heer-are-one??

if there is someone else out there in the vast reaches of the phorum, who think so too, do tell me. 'cause suddenly i feel that before mom finds out, i should check myself into the asylum. 😔

of course, there could be another reason that i feel like this: that i have nooooo clue whatsoever about the grace and beauty and subtlety of the language that gave us these three words: pyar, ishq, mohabbat. 🤣

and that maybe all i'm doing is missing out on the word for ''love'' that actually does capture prem-heer-are-one.

if that's true, i'm here. waiting and willing to be educated... 😆
*isn't it sad that in either case, it looks like i really, truly, awfully need help!? 🤣 *

edit add
hey! guess what??

you all didn't think it was a completely brain dead question after all!

and you also agreed that there's something to prem-heer-are-one-ness beyond pyar, ishq, mohabbat.

i thought aditi's ''unconditional love'' was part of mohabbat.

but i did think that shabnam had something interesting with ibadat.

ibadat == worship.

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so perfectly apt for heer and her prem. worship. *dreamy dreaming muh. i love hearing urdu. i could swoon just saying ibadat while thinking about prem and heer at the same time... 😍*

but y'know? even with pyar, ishq, ibadat, mohabbat, there's something more to prem-heer-are-one...

no? 😊

just like there's got to be some new word to capture what i feel for you guys... pyar just doesn't seem enough... 😳

bye, guys. thanks. 😃
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*shakes head, and looks at estee thoroughly, wondering how she got into such a state* you really do need help, E? don't you? not even a mental asylum will help you. trust me 🤣 😳

well, i don't really know the meanings of the word love for one, it has never happened to me. and second, love is to big, to deep of a word to explain no? love has so many forms, shapes...no one can describe it. and i think you did a pretty good job in describing pyar, ishq, mohabbhat. *pats estee* 😆 coming to the prem-heer-are-one. now, that is a deeper form of love. possibly breaks all barriers, walls and what not of love. cause these two? these two, are made in the stars.

what can capture the essence of prem-heer-are-one...well leave that upto god. or ekta. 😆 don't torture your poor brain estee. its already confused enough. do not go through it.

if i come up with a word to describe these two, will surely reply. but at the moment i'm as confused as you are. 😕 see what you have done to me? 😆

*reminds self to never open another estee post which will lead to utter confusion*

i guess i have got one. if you think, estee, that it does not match upto prem-heer-are-one then i give you the right to come and beat me with a belen. 😆 well...my theory for prem-heer-are-one is that they are timeless. varies for generations and generations. so, shouldn't there love be unconditional and all due to their brain? heart? souls?

they have the emotion, experienced as a desire to care for another person without any thought of reward, emerges from a complex interplay between seven separate areas of the brain. such brain activity has only limited overlap with the cerebral impulses seen in romantic or sexual love, suggesting it should be seen as an entirely separate emotion.

btw, i grabbed some facts from science 😆 😃

unconditional love, extended to others without exception, is considered to be one of the highest expressions of spirituality. however, nothing has been known regarding its neural underpinnings until now.

so, just like you can't explain the essence of prem-heer-are-one. the same way you can't explain unconditional love. don't these two go hand in hand, E? 😃 er....right? 😕

*edited*

if this makes the least bit of sense, then no complaints. just read my post, and i have no idea what i was saying. 😕 so if you have problems...then just skip this post. although, i wouldn't be surprised if you do manage to make out what i'm saying. 😆

*edited (again)*

just read your entire post again, and my post. 😆 this just goes to show that there is no word that can describe this eternal bond. that is prem-heer-are-one. prem and his heer surpasses all forms and shades of love. prem-heer-are-one defies logic (just like bt 😆 ) so does this mean absolutely nothing can describe prem-heer-are-one? 😕

estee, nothing can describe these two. like i said, they were made in the heavens, the stars. heck! they are even unwanted in this universe. 😆 these three words pyar, ishq, mohabbat are nothing compared to prem-heer. there are just mere words. that describes normal, oridnary people. like you and i. but for prem-heer? 😕 prem-heer-are-one make up their own form of love. something the heavens, stars, evil glob face 😡 , will not be able to break.... 😳 ...and what is the name of that love? well...no one knows.

so please, don't torture yourself. 😆

@:*isn't it sad that in either case, it looks like i really, truly, awfully need help!? * ....hmm...you are seriously asking this question? 😲 ..hehe. right on estee. you definitely need help. i would say go dunk your head in cold water since your head has been racked with too much of prem-heer and epe/ephe syndrome. 😆 but nothing can cure you, E. and we, your phorum pals who will equally go down if we continue to read these posts of yours. 🤣

oh E, poor you! ....and poor me too for now i am in the same state after reading this! You did a pretty good job of the subtleties but i can't find the word/words that would fit prem-heer-are-one perfectly....may be because prem-heer-are-one is itself perfect and defies description...especially a one word one that encapsulates and encompasses it?.....it something that can be felt but not articulated? or only partly but not quite? you do a better job of it than most which is why i love reading what you write.

E! 🤗
I must say u ve got me thinking...thinking deep How in the world u come up with ideas like this?
It is truly interesting..
let me put some thought into it..I will be back..

Edit add:

I agree that pyaar,ishq,aur mohabbat does not describe fully that prem-heer-are-one..In fact prem-heer-are-one describes pyaar,ishq,aur mohabbat..prem-heer-are-one is the extreme of PIM(Pyaar,ishq aur mohabbat)..What they feel for each other is PIM coz they ve pyar,they ve ishq and they certainly ve mohabbat but it's not just that..It is something beyond...sorry, no word for it..i..it is just deepest Pyaar ishq aur mohabbat..its just prem-heer-are-one..
Maybe one day they would name this kind of love as prem-heer-are-one.😆

* i know i didn't make any sense..but that's all I can come up with *

love,sumi

Hello Estee Darling... *P-I-M hug* 😳