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Posted: 5 years ago
#41

The biggest problem with kzk is the shadow of season 1,which always looms overhead. If the characters and story have to be the same then what's the point of a reboot. The only constant thing is that anupre are lovers who are always separated. Them being separated does not necessarily mean prerna and Bajaj being together and having a happy married life. That's not a given and could change.

As for Bajaj this season, it maybe too soon to comment but I feel the episode yesterday has taken a definite step away from the shadow of season 1 Bajaj. There was a perceptible hint of deranged and mentally unstable behavior laced with the ruthlessness and I don't remember that being the character arc of the original character.

At this point Bajaj cannot be called grey anymore.. A deliberate attempt to murder doesn't fall under that category. Let us see where this goes.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: opsora2090

Yes Bajaj jaise character hum sabke beech mai hai .. koi devil hote hai halat ke bajajse, kisika bachpan ,.. kisika situation kisiko majbur karte hai to choose immorality...atleast they are always in their character. people clearly suspect them and know about their fitrat ...

But person like Anurag never be a gem. anurag jaise person woh character hai jabtak iyea apne comfort zone mai hai tabtak ke liye best hai . but jab apne situation , apne halat uske against chale jate hai tab iyea apne apa se bahahr a jate hai ...

Insaan wohi gem hote hai jo apne halat ke against apne apko nei badal te .. wohi asli positivity . but unfortunately anurag is never be like...

Anurag should not be a positive character , he should be grey ...

that quote was for the ppl in ekta's world, not real world....

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Posted: 5 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: hope4u

The biggest problem with kzk is the shadow of season 1,which always looms overhead. If the characters and story have to be the same then what's the point of a reboot. The only constant thing is that anupre are lovers who are always separated. Them being separated does not necessarily mean prerna and Bajaj being together and having a happy married life. That's not a given and could change.

As for Bajaj this season, it maybe too soon to comment but I feel the episode yesterday has taken a definite step away from the shadow of season 1 Bajaj. There was a perceptible hint of deranged and mentally unstable behavior laced with the ruthlessness and I don't remember that being the character arc of the original character.

At this point Bajaj cannot be called grey anymore.. A deliberate attempt to murder doesn't fall under that category. Let us see where this goes.

BOLD= agree...hopefully ppl shud stop refencing s1 here onwards....even komo was totally diff in s2 ...

RED = Isn't that, on the similar lines, ekta had promised during initial promotion....Parth had also confirmed it during their 1st IV....and when Erica said onu,1 had 4 wives, I can't forget Parth's horrified reaction, his eye balls literally came off....and he reconfirmed this season gonna be different

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Posted: 5 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: jhalak7

S! Baju was a confused character and Anu was spineless so it was easy to take side. S2 Anu is very strong character and Baju is evil. From the beginning he was shown evil. CVs didn't hide his negativity. If he was not KSG and hadn't done "Qubool hai" and had many fans from there his character and actions will be understood very well.

The only reason Naveen was was very well accepted as a villain and always appreciated for his acting. We had opened so many threads for him.

Even then he was acting goodie goodie with pre, sharma's n mohi didi. all these ppl got to know his reality at the altar only.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: memad

that quote was for the ppl in ekta's world, not real world....

but udhar likha hai in a world like we r in which is fullest of bajajjs

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Posted: 5 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: opsora2090

but udhar likha hai in a world like we r in which is fullest of bajajjs

Last line was sarcasm, as I interpreted it....

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Posted: 5 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: Pinot

I am that NEUTRAL viewer who has never watched S1, am not in the slightest bit interested in S1, and don't care to find out about S1. All these same characters existed in another lifetime as other people. Big deal. Who cares.

Therefore, the adoration for Bajaj makes no sense to me at all!! That character is actually trying too hard to be dark, mysterious & in control but comes across as a bit of a joke.

I appreciate this view. Coz I am not that neutral viewer even if I try to be. That said, on the whole, I find that the idea of something is emphasized on a lot more than the idea itself, in this serial. The idea of the entry of iconic characters like Bajaj, Komolika, the idea of soulmates. Why do they hype so much? Coz they know their content and story won't stand upto it?
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Posted: 5 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: AllThatCritique

All the things you listed is exactly why he is a grey character. 😆 Driven by his own motives. Ethically nonethical. That's what a grey character is. Shakespearean chaotic and Machiavellian tactic. The perfect grey. The acute rationalising is what makes it all go around. I'm afraid y'all haven't read or seen enough grey characters.

I don't think you realize this is ITV not an English lit class, of which I've taken many because I'm currently pursuing a degree in that and have more experience with grey characters than the average person. Whether you like it or not, this is a daily soap and while we can have high expectations from whatever media we consume, for the sake of our sanity we should be realistic about the shows we end up watching. All these characters fall into certain tropes. Every story Shakespeare or not is based on some fundamental understanding of good vs bad, even if they make a case for ambiguous characters. I'm not going to give you a lecture on all that but i will say this. The picturization of Bajaj at the time of me writing this post was one where we were privy to his inner conflict and so I felt conflicted about what I was seeing. Like other villains this show has seen, I don't believe Bajaj needs any special considerations as if he's a lead, he can be a slightly more dangerous villain by virtue of being able to manipulate situations better than previous ones but at the end of the day from what we've now seen that's who he is and always will be. The show started with AnuPre and Bajaj hasn't shown up until almost a year later, he is not on par with them as a lead. Whether you like it or not, based on ITV tropes and past precedent, it is safe to say he's a villain. We can talk endlessly about any of these villains and leads actually being grey because in real life that's how people are, we're all grey, but these fictional shows are not real life so we don't need to treat them that way.

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Posted: 5 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: Bepnaah.pyar

If he is not grey shaded then anurag is also not positive

Villains can leave a lasting impression and be beloved characters and always be remembered fondly and gain a lot of popularity(like Komolika season 1) but they're never going to be the equivalent of the heroes or leads of a show. Bajaj as a character is not on par with Anurag in terms of importance on this show. He can very well be a villain like Komolika and Naveen Babu and so on, but he is a consummate villain. Anurag, whether he makes mistakes and wavers off his own path, is the positive, male lead of this show. This is literally the story of Anurag and Prerna. Anurag and Bajaj ki uss type ki barabari nahi hai that you could logically equate them in terms of moral ambiguity

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nostalgia3997

I don't think you realize this is ITV not an English lit class, of which I've taken many because I'm currently pursuing a degree in that and have more experience with grey characters than the average person. Whether you like it or not, this is a daily soap and while we can have high expectations from whatever media we consume, for the sake of our sanity we should be realistic about the shows we end up watching. All these characters fall into certain tropes. Every story Shakespeare or not is based on some fundamental understanding of good vs bad, even if they make a case for ambiguous characters. I'm not going to give you a lecture on all that but i will say this. The picturization of Bajaj at the time of me writing this post was one where we were privy to his inner conflict and so I felt conflicted about what I was seeing. Like other villains this show has seen, I don't believe Bajaj needs any special considerations as if he's a lead, he can be a slightly more dangerous villain by virtue of being able to manipulate situations better than previous ones but at the end of the day from what we've now seen that's who he is and always will be. The show started with AnuPre and Bajaj hasn't shown up until almost a year later, he is not on par with them as a lead. Whether you like it or not, based on ITV tropes and past precedent, it is safe to say he's a villain. We can talk endlessly about any of these villains and leads actually being grey because in real life that's how people are, we're all grey, but these fictional shows are not real life so we don't need to treat them that way.

I relate to everything you have said. Except that, if you do understand Literature, you'd know that ITV and a lot of movies, stereotype good and bad into some classes and compartments. For example, a good woman wears Mangalsutra and sindoor, a good man does this. Not necessarily. But these are how they are represented. And TV's representation of good and bad is shoddy as hell, especially EK's. Is it that easy to compartmentalise good and bad from the point of view of literature? This is a question to you, coz you mentioned it. I am not a literature student though I'd have loved to be one. Aren't good characters shaded too? Aren't bad characters shaded too? And who defines grey? Is there a definition of grey? Doesn't it depend on each person's moral compass? There are loads of instances when murder has been held morally correct, I am NOT saying it is so here. But, at the end of the day, white, black and grey are all shades. And sometimes the shades can get blurry. White from some angles looks grey, grey from some angles looks black. And black when shining brightly can appear white. When mere colours can represent so much, how can people be classified into categories? A grey person today can perform a good act tomorrow. A white person can perform a grey act. Doesn't change their core, just gives them more vibrant shades.

P. S. Here white and black represent the nature of people. No racism or anything. 😆

I am not vindicating B or incrinimating A. Just asking some questions. XD

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