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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: who am i???

shina

I have only one thing to say whatever she did Good or Bad,whether she is evil or not finally its JW life that she has ruin earlier and weven now,and bith the times she did was for her own sake stating all she did was for her love,her selfish love.
I dont agree that she is or can ever she love someone she loves herself or maybe her sisters(the present scenario doesnt seem so) but all over for her love its JW who is paying.

Archie,

When you bring in JW, all i can do is shut up. She doesn't love Jai, she loves her dreams, i don't believe for even a second that she loves jai, but she does love her sisters.

Yes my baby is suffering, but it's not only cuz of pia but the entire dixit clan. 😡

Shina

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: lonely14

***Disclaimer*** This is not meant to insult anyone but it's just my point of view, and the way i see things. People who want to take it personally please don't read. I never take what you say seriously! I mean its you! (Just kidding!) But don't worry I won't take it personally, I already know you love Pia.... I disagree with it... but I won't let that get in the way! We are all allowed to have our own personal opinions and beliefs!

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him." --------- Fyodor Dostoevsky Deep, I feel like I am in Lit class, analyzing different authors, its a saturday, and early in the morning (10 is too early on a saturday! 😉) So, I won't analyze it now (I am sure you analyzed it...)

As Dostoevsky said, it's easier to denounce the evildoer than to understand him. No matter how evil the person is, there is always a reason behind. Whether we like it or not, evil doesn't prevail without a cause, and usually the cause is created by "good."Ah, see I told you, you would analyze it 😉. I totally agree with most of what you said in this part. Of course there is a reason behind everything that a person does, Pia probably has a reason too... but the reason is not the "good" in other words Bani... it is her own selfishness.

With that said, let's proceed to my point of this post. I am not saying that whatever Pia did was OK but all I am saying is that her stand is sorta understandable. Sure why not? I mean everyone's actions are understandable (I don't have to agree with them though)

Yes Pia has done a LOT of mean things but why did she do them? Pia wasn't always like this. Even though it's hard for us to imagine she did love her sisters, she is one of the characters that ekta has destroyed completely. Pia always cared about her sisters, the only difference is while caring for them she cares about herself too, why is it so bad? It's not bad that she cares about herself as well, its good. People need to have a certain level of selfishness otherwise they are living someone else's life, not their own. But there has to be a limit to this selfishness, if it hurts a lot of other people in the process, then that is probably not the best thing in the world!

I don't know about ALL of you, but some of us want bani to think about herself, and at the same time care about her sisters, isn't that what pia is doing?(I mean she took it overboard yes, but more or less that's what she is doing) Yes, I am one of those people that wants Bani to think about herself too (but realize that we all want that because Bani has been caring about others too much) It is exactly the other way around Pia has been caring about herself too much and now we want her to care about others!

Remember when MT gave us the news that bani might have to choose b/w Jai or Pia, we always wanted bani to chose Jai and at that time we didn't even know that pia would as much as drug jai into doing all this, yes we expected something bad from her but not this bad, yet we wanted Bani to chose Jai. And now that Pia has done that, chose Jai over her sister, why is it so bad? Because Jai is Bani's husband, because Jai loves Bani, because Bani honestly loves Jai. A woman that has to drug a man into liking her... well there is no future in that. And Bani's choice isn't that hard, picking between a mean witch of a sister or a true love...

More importantly pia knowing about Jai and Bani's relationship, at the time when pia was going through her "confused" state was when the divorce/alimony fiasco happened, what was she to think at that time? All she knew was bani wanted to go far far away from jai to never return, so what was she to do? Jai was going to be a single man soon, so what's so hard about liking or even caring for a man who is single? Her marriage was going to break for sure. Okay, there is one rule that every woman should follow: never go out with your best friend's ex-boyfriend or in this case a sister's ex-husband (even though he wasn't an "ex") Pia yelled at Jai once upon a time for "drugging" Bani and making her pregnant... what the hell has she done?! 😡

I mean who would want to live with a family where the bhabhi is always taunting you for everything, your husband won't do anything unless his mother tells him to. It wasn't only pia's fault that the marriage broke it was all their faults. Instead of being rude to her they could've handled everything maturely. Yes pia didn't know how to be a homemaker, but she could've learned if she was given a chance. Even before she stepped in pushkar's house seema bhabhi started taunting her, do you really think after those taunts she would just be quiet? Why expect pia to understand others and not to understand pia? Even pushkar never left a chance to insult her, is that what a husband is supposed to be, especially when the wife is going through so much(leaving her sisters, and more importantly living with the guilt that her di was facing the wrath of someone)? If pushkar could understand bani, why didn't he understand Pia? Why did he, whenever he got a chance just insult her? I agree he somewhat tried to give them a better life, but did he really? So her marriage was going to break eventually. Okay, Pia's marriage wasn't a piece of cake, but marriage is a journey with a lot of bumps and ups and downs, if Pia wasn't ready to take on such responsibility then she should not have run away. If she wanted a easy life with money and nothing to worry about then she should just have married Jai (she would have ruined his life!) Pushkar tried to change their lives, at times he even faught with his family! And he moved out and tried to give her what she wanted, but she was never satisfied!

There is no explanation whatsoever for the ONS so I am not even going to bother, especially now that we know that she drugged him. But I still believe that she did it when she was sure that bani had left him. Doesn't matter when she did it, she should have just known that going for your jeeju is off limits! 🤢

The behavior post ONS, she genuinely tried to move away from JB. She even tried to resign from her job, to be stopped by the couple, she tried to maintain her distance but well bani(unintentionally of course) always somehow pushed pia towards Mr. Walia. The thing that hurt her the most, the dreams she had for herself her sister was living them, every human being(who is not Mahan) would feel jealous when that's the case. Living someone else live your dream, while the other doesn't even care about it, that hurts. Her trying to move away from JB... BULL CRAP! Even if she had tried to move away, she wouldn't have stayed far for too long, she would come back! In the end, we were shown that she was trying to get away from JB but of course it was all part of a plan (predictable!) Who would want their sister to learn the truth in such a traumatizing manner!

I'll give you my dad's example, he wanted to be a doctor, but he couldn't due to some circumstances, he had everything to be a doctor, and now he sees some people studying medicine but slacking off, and well not caring. He doesn't feel jealous, but it hurts to see when people are given a chance they don't use it. If my dad could, he would willingly take that students place who doesn't care about it. (I know not a very good example but hey that's the closest one I could find). Your dad's emotions are totally understandable and I would probably feel the same way too! He has seen people slack off and he could have done better. But if taken into perspective with JB, how was Bani's love lacking anything that Pia felt she could fulfill? If it is refering to being pregnant (which I am sure she is not!) then within sometime Bani would be pregnant too!

That's exactly what Pia must've felt, she wanted all those things but she couldn't get. She tried to forget about Jai(yes she did in the beginning) BULL (Sry), but well circumstances(ahem bani) didn't let her. She lost all her self control when she found out she was pregnant(which I still doubt, but nonetheless), I mean she took that as an opportunity to get her love. Her way might have been wrong, but the intention behind it, even though she was way off in thinking that bani would go with pushkar, but well that's what she thought. Bani could live happily with pushkar while she can have all she wanted(yes money). Bani doesn't want Pushkar and after the ONS happened and Pia found out how much Bani loved Jai, and how much Jai loved Bani, then why couldn't she just leave them alone rather then being the third wheel that no one wanted!

Going with, we still don't know who's baby it is (even though I refuse to believe it's my baby's), but thinking from the show's perspective, why wouldn't she want her child to have his/her REAL father's name? Why wouldn't she want her child to live a life with luxury instead of a life filled with difficulties with pushkar? Especially when the real father loves kids, and his wife can't(for now, but Krishna is on his/her way) give him a baby? Of course, its not your baby's perspective. if she wanted to name her baby after the father's name then go to Pushkar! A child that grows up with difficulties is rather more mature then a child that is born up spoiled! If her main concern through all this was her child, she shouldn't have been drinking, or dancing, or planning fake attacks, but rather taking care of herself! When does she go to the doctor??!?

I am not saying Pia is GOOD, I am just saying that there is a reason behind it. Bash all you want, but do understand her. You can still hate a person and understand them. Again it's easy to say evil is bad, but it's hard to understand why it's bad? I understand the fact that she is a woman's whose jealousy has taken her too far, but I still don't understand how anyone can be so jealous as to go to this extent!

Whatever Pia did was definitely not the best thing, but she did what she had to. She needed to make a choice between her sister and the "father" of her child, and she chose the latter. We cannot expect everyone to be Mahan but we can definitely understand why people are not Mahan right? Fine, she should pick the father of the child but not when it ruin's so many lives! Who will be happy with this outcome? Jai- what a joke, he hates that witch! Bani- yah we can see how happy she is right now! Pia- doesn't she understand that Jai's loves Bani, how will she be happy with him...

I am in no way saying start loving pia, because well that's not possible, and I know it. But just try to understand her. She is twisted but why is she twisted? Is she solely responsible for everything, aren't there other reasons behind it too? There are a lot of reasons as to why all this happened! But in the end the person is who is blamed and here Pia is blamed!

Every one makes mistakes, some make graver mistakes than others, but it is up to us to understand the reasoning and move beyond it, instead of holding on to them and hate others(I should follow my own saying sometimes don't you think so?). First, forgive Bani... and then we will talk! Some things are easier said then done.

Last but not the least, Pia is only what she is because of us. Just think about it, if we as viewers hadn't given pia that much importance she wouldn't be in this stage, and def. not make us go through this torture(for some it's JB's separation, for some its bani's condition, and for ME it's my baby's pain). I would rather watch more jiya dhadhaks (or Jai hating Bani) then this!

I am seriously going to shut up now, because well I have written too much. I doubt anyone would read this, but oh well had to get it out of my system. Well, I read it! And it did take sometime that I should have been using to do my truckloads of homework! but oh well its better to do this then to do calculus!

Take care, U too, meanie!

Shina Pari

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Oh...welll.....How many of us woulf really hate Pia if Pia was the protagonist? and Bani was the other woman albeit wife? 😕
If the story was told from her POV?
Edited by anut - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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For ONS9 if at all anything happened if Pia had to drug Jai for crying out loud he didn't want him.It doesn't matter whether or not her Di wanted to be with her hubby if the man himself doesn't want that should stop you. There no logical reson to make rape acceptable.

The differnce between Bnai choosing Jay over Pia Vs Pia choosing JAy over BAni is that JAy himself loves BAni. So its mutually acceptable decision of both involved. Pia can't choose Jay since he doesn't want to be chosen by Pia.
Edited by suwas - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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"Last but not the least, Pia is only what she is because of us. Just think about it, if we as viewers hadn't given pia that much importance she wouldn't be in this stage, and def. not make us go through this torture(for some it's JB's separation, for some its bani's condition, and for ME it's my baby's pain)."

I agree with that. 😆 But more so than the viewers, Pia is what she is because of Ekta. If Ekta hadn't thrown her at us, we wouldn't be watching her and hating her 😉 😆

You've given good arguments for Pia's "sorta" justification 😉 ...but I don't agree with many of them. If Pia's behavior can be justified...why can't Seema bhabhi's taunts be justified? Why can't Seema bhabhi think about herself? Because of Pia, JW turned Pushkar's family and life into a disarray. Same goes with Pushkar...he has plenty of reasons to behave the way he did with Pia. Your arguments would have worked if Pia was the only victim...but trust me...ALL the characters were victims..even THEY had a right to think about themselves!
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Hey Shina
Trust you to defend the indefensible 😉 Great post though and I do appreciate your pov. Pia's character to begin with was that of a selfish, spoilt brat with starts in her eyes and dreams of being rich and happy. The rich part she saw being fulfilled by JW and the only reason he accepted your baby's proposal was coz she saw the moolah, not the man 😉 Then of course she fell in lust with Pooch and the rest is history. The problems in her marriage were something most newly married couples go through...P-P simply made them bigger through their lack of maturity. But her love for her sisters remained steadfast. Until of course she aborted the child (totally unforgivable) dropped Pooch like a hot potato and waltzed back into WM.
From then on she set her sights on JW again because she's always seen him as her own private property that her sister simply was caretaking. Her behaviour pre and post ONS is shockingly immoral and self centred. To drug JW and then stage this whole drama at the expense of her sister's sanity is simply inexcusable. Pia's character has been butchered to a manipulative, immoral and materialistic vamp who's going all out go get what she wants no matter that she's destroyed her family and her own self in the bargain.
Just my pov...hope you're not offended. 😊
cheers
Sim
PS -The only thing I didn't agree with you in your post was that she did not cross the boundaries of her marriage when she "slept" with JW. P-P were still legally married, albiet separated for a short while. That makes her actions legally and morally wrong.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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I am making an attempt here bc I like your thought provoking post.

I agree with the F. Dostoevsky quote, we should try to understand the
nature and origin of what makes a person "evil". In short, we are made
aware of the distinction between good and evil at a young age through
our upbringing, environment etc. etc. This distinction is even apparent in
the fairy tales that our parents read to us at bedtime. Simply put, in life,
we all have to learn to "Walk the Line". Furthermore, good and evil being
the distinct opposite of each other, also, cannot be defined without the
existence of the other. Similar to the saying light is good but too much
of it can blind you.

Back to Pia, I think, more than being evil, she is a vain character. She has
turned into a pathetic character, a conceited fool. She has this false
pride, an exaggerated sense of self-importance and an egotistical
disregard for others. Being a hypocrite, till the end she will justify her
actions to suit herself. Lets understand her, a 21 year old girl from Mt.
Abu whose big sister mother figure tried to fulfill all her needs-( We have
to also understand that Bani was herself a teenager who quickly had to
grow up overnight to keep her family together. I am not even going to go
and talk about the gfn absent father of hers). From what I have seen so
far, she will use her looks and attitude to get anything she wants-there is
nothing wrong with ambition, she could go and find a modeling job in the
city, or become an item girl in a music video. But she wants it free,
handed to her on a golden platter bc she deserves it. she desperately
needs to be educated.(I have to cut this short or I'll go on and on)

Lets be fair here, I have to say that JW is also at fault for leading her on.
There was an episode when Bani was pregnant during Pr, Raaz-divorce-
alimony time-he said to her "Pyar tumne Kiya, Shaadi usne"-I mean come
on-if this is not leading on than what is-also, when in front of everyone
he asks her to accompany him to Dubai, when he could have asked
anyone else-why her??? Important point is that she regards JW as her
own personal property, like a spoilt brat, who cannot have what she
wants, she"ll get him by hook or crook"- The end justifies the means in
only her way. The Pia way. When he told her He was Bani's and Bani was
everyhting to him, she should have let him go. But Pia's jealousy didn't
want to listen..
Pia, being vain, does not see beyond herself, she is very immature in
regards to relationship matters. For her boundaries do not exist and
what is hers is hers, bc she has this false notion of self importance-see
here is the question "Who "put that thought in her head that there is only
Pia and noone else exists???
Who gave her so much self importance? Who taught her not to take
responsibility for her actions? Who instilled in her the notion that
boundaries do not exist? Was it herself???
She has done a few unethical, immoral things but the following two are
beyond repairable:
1) drugging JW and making him believe she is carrying his child
2)what she has done to Bani, she basically killed her own sister and shows
no remorse for the act...

In conclusion, Pia could have been a great ( but nowhere near JW
stature type) modern female character with shades of grey for the Indian
small screen. A shame, that she was turned into another caricatured
vamp.

no offense, just thoughts-pls. excuse mistakes, wrote fast.
AP
Edited by aperture - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Shina, good post. I disagree. Im on the same line as you regarding Jai though all the way! Ill be back with some points as to why I hate that Pia and how what she did was wrong even thouggh its kinda obvious!, you have written a very loooooooooong defense and i need to do some thinking. Lol I will be back though!

Edited by strawberry007 - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: mahimn

Shina,
Good post and woman it seems you are becoming Dal Badloo gradually first Bani's defense and now Pia's. 😆 😆

See Shina, there is a very beatiful saying that "good or bad is just point of view".We judge people as per our moral values , the values that makes this society work safely.

I hated Pia not since ONS but the beginning. My reasons are the same as everyone elses. I hate her for crossing her moral boundaries. Yes it is not wrong to think for your self, it is not wrong to be ambitious but acheiving your goal at the cost of other people's happiness and life is not justified. I hated Pia for running away on Jai and getting Bani into big trouble. May I ask what was there fault that they had to suffer and pay for her mistake. Jai did not pressurized her into marriage and Bani warned her. It is another case that they both finally fell in love but what if it had not happened. Bani forever would have been trapped with a man who was all set to avenge her for her sister's mistake.It was she who insisted on this marriage even when Bani asked her to step back. She gave her reasons that she wants a glamorous lifestyle for herself and her sisters that JW can provide but she still ran away . The list of her mistakes runs endless but the biggest point is that never repents for her mistakes and has to get what she want irrespective of how many lives are ruined in that process. Her biggest flaw is not that she is selfish, everyone is, but that she turns into a tornado and ruin everything else around.

As for her failed mnarriage she is solely responsible. Her SIL was not furious over her for not being a hom,e maker but that she was behaving like a GFN queen who was married into a rich family. She did not realoised that Pushkar was not ion his best financial state because of her but still he stuck with her. Her mother in law never taunted her. She was just expected to play a part in the family which she refused and she was not able to get ver the fact that Pushakar was from a middle calss family back ground and he was broke and without a roof on his head, after he eloped with her

I do not hate her for getting all over Jai when she was technically still his SIL and was married to Pushky but for that she took undue advantage of a broken and a shattered man to fulfill her dreams of a rich and lavish lifestyle which she mistook for her so called love and on top of that how could she even think about returning back to the same man who she once jilted at the altar and whose child her sister had conceived . She fails to read what other poeple tell her but she believes what she wants to. Biggest example-First she tells J that B does not love him but Pushky and later that he does not love B but her.
Will think and write more point later. Boss is hovering around. He already treats JW as his saouten because of his wife, as she is latto over him 😆 😆

it is quite disgustin tht u u speak sop even afte knowing tht she drugged jay ... u thnk she is rite .. hw come man...wat ever is the reason .. she was married to pushkar n is supposed to live with him ...wats this exchange of husbands .. haan thts the game pi awnted to play... if pushkar cld fullfill all her aish aur aaram .. she wldnt hav done this at all ..hw mean she is ...jealousy .. n by the way she wsa self centerd n jealous as well as laalchi 4m the begnin ... ther wsnta situation tht cld b proved .. wen thye came to wm ... situations cae tht revealed her true color .. she is such a hypocrite... tht cnt b changed .. n she wnt change in future also ...thts promise ...if she do also tht ll b another big drama a swe saw nw...she dnt dereve any mercy ...if bani show mercy innher still .. then i ll kill bani first...

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Posted: 18 years ago
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See there is a very clear reason why Pia wants JW and not Pushkar

(For starter he is an eye candy much better than any male in WM , TS and Pushky) 😳 😆 Pushky could have provided her with all the luxuries that she wanted but Jai Walia had or still has a status in the society that Pushky cannot match or will take him ages to achieve it. people take him for what he is.He is the surity for his own company's deals and contracts.
Pia envied Bani more than Rano, for they both definitely did enjoyed all the luxuries and perks associated with Walia family. But Bani received the attention in the society and in WM by the virtue of being married to JW more than Rano as she was married to Sahil.
She always hated the fact that she had no expensive jewellery to wear just like Bani had.

Her major factor above every thing else was the attention that was showered on Bani than her .

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