Quiting is NOT the answer - Page 19

Originally posted by: mink

Oh Well! Looks like a good long debate or shd I say a stage conversation a legitimate art form ....... Now let's move to the guillotine. 😡 😕
Seriously I don't get it at all....only thing that Monika & Khoo have left KS coz somebody abused them that is the main problem rito buddies???? I see most of you are saying that KS parivar is like family to you all.....now tell me don't you guys fight at home or have difference of opinion at home with siblings or even mom 😉 ?

I had read these lines somewhere & feel it is so true. Monika & KHoo 2 most imp member of KS were hurt coz of some other members......

There's one sad truth in life I've found
While journeying east and west -
The only folks we really wound
Are those we love the best.
We flatter those we scarcely know,
We please the fleeting guest,
And deal full many a thoughtless blow
To those who love us best!

This is what I am thinking about now. I hope KS gr will change. I invite all others to help us change it & make it a better place. We need visionaries like MT, Monika, Khoo, we need villains like I don't know any names 😉 😆 . We need all kinds of members silent, active, hyper, sensitive, lovable, ladaku,emotional, sharmili/mila 😃 .....etc.

Jab tak ekta hai, hum saath saath hain....kya khyal hai aap loga ka. 😊

I think that we lose direction but no tears to damn you, only laughter & smile to cheer you!! 😃 🤗

cheers,
mini

Originally posted by: **Tinkerbell**

Many have a confusion that monika and khoo are letting this get to their ego...i just wanted to clarify there is a fine line between ego and self respect....

Ego- your idea or opinion of yourself, or a great feeling of your own importance and ability:

Self-Respect- respect for yourself which shows that you value your own integrity as a person

Monika and khoos self respect was hurt not their ego..so i hope that clears any confusion.

Thanks 😃

very well said becky👏👏

its not abt ego its abt self repect -

Thanks for enlightening everybody abt it-

Originally posted by: monika.goel

hey ragga thanks for ur comments-we were not shying away-we ahve a family apart from ks family also so was busy in our routines this weekend so cud not reply to all comments but now here we are and yes we will surely try to give our views and will speak from our hearts what we felt of this whole thing-

cheers

Monika and khoo

Well said raaga; however, i have to agree with monika, that we are not shying up, and now the issue is out in the open, so let's discuss!

First of all, I want to make some things clear for the mods please! Can you please stop making assumptions "on our so called ego" getting hurt because that's not the case at all!

Why are assumptions being made here in the first place! If it was for our "ego", then me and monika would've left LONG time a go, as we were use to getting insulted..... So tell me, if it was for ego, shouldn't we have left!

For the other thing, I'm speaking no behalf of monika and me, that since this thread was opened, we did nothing but "stressed" about issued, and i'm very sure that the peace was never there! The thread was opened/closed, opened/closed, opened/closed, WhY? because for the very reason that this thread has "flaws"! WHy would we would take this decision anyways! Why there were so many viewbies supporting these thread! Hmmm fishy right!

But my main concern here is that we always gave AF chance over chance over chance and they kept taking advantage of it! Why can't there be a universal thread? What's wrong with it. Just because it has so many rules or "im sorry" as said by mods "restrictions"; Why always favoritising others and treating some other members wrong! When this issue came up yesterday, you have seen what the ratio was! Like I said, our opinions were never taken into consideration anyways, like we were never there, and I knew it from all along that no matter what we said, the thread "will be opened".

There are other issues that have happened in the past, and me and monika went through it! If it was for comproming, me and monika made so many compromises and we have sacrifised our self-respect many a times! Come on, we are humans and we too have sentiments. I'm not planning to spill out the beans of past now! This is what i have to say for "now"!

Thanks

Khoo and Monika!

Originally posted by: **Tinkerbell**

Many have a confusion that monika and khoo are letting this get to their ego...i just wanted to clarify there is a fine line between ego and self respect....

Ego- your idea or opinion of yourself, or a great feeling of your own importance and ability:

Self-Respect- respect for yourself which shows that you value your own integrity as a person

Monika and khoos self respect was hurt not their ego..so i hope that clears any confusion.

Thanks 😃

Thank you beckz…this was highly needed! For clarifications, because I hate the way people are making assumptions out here!

Hope people get this….!!

We saw and try and level best to have friendly and healthy atmosphere at section till there 4 part-we let them carry on with the thread there were some nice disscussions but we were under the impression the thread would be for all,however that wasnt the case.we had alot of complaints that members were ignored, and told to keep out .

Again Monica, you received complaints, and I presume you took necessary action. If they were unrealistic complaints,you told them so...if not then proper warning was given.However,if you still had difficulty in controlling them,then perhaps we could have helped. You took action of letting the thread be open without any of us knowing anything..and then chose to close it without again telling us anything......simply writing about rude members does not help.......you need to present the complete picture to let us know. The topic was fine,and attitude of some members,and rudeness by a few is not a reason to sacrifice a perfectly valid topic enjoyed by many.........those who made those uncharitable comments needed to be sorted out separately and if they didn't listen,they needed to get warned.

When a topic is made,it's for all,and it's an open and shut case.Princess started this thread does not mean she owns it.......but we do share some basic etiquettes-like I will not close her topic or give her credit when it's due......sometimes she as a member might make a topic in which only a certain set gets involved.......and it's fine.

Just as you see KS as a parivar,we see IF as a parivar.......KS being a part of it. Yet you can have your individuality in conducting day to day affairs......and it's perfectly fine. But please don't separate KS from IF by saying regardless of other forums...........just as for you AF cannot be separate and have to be the part of one big family.........KS too cannot be separate from the larger picture of IF.........and yet we need to each other to give space to grow - be it a member, a section, a dev team member..or India Forums as a whole,but within the defined picture frame.

I hope I have been able to convey why we did what we did........and I hope you would appreciate our efforts which is simply to keep this a whole forum a beautiful place to be..........

as coz they didn't ask u guys for ur helps, so u all opened that thread....soo now why u think that they r bringning their ego in here....it hurted their selfrespct....they were always trying their best to keep this forums clean and nice place to hang around....may be thats why they didn't raise their warning leverl..coz sometimes it doesn't help to solve the problem....kho and monika were always trying to be good to others...i have already said on my previous reply that..its depeneds on the person to person...some modr just give warning on their first mistake but some modrs they dont..but that doesn't mean that those ppls come forward and bash them through pm...

Originally posted by: xsimzxchickx

Well said monix, I can see were you and khoo are coming from. I remember many people in the ks parivaar felt neglected and ignored in that discussion thread. And you and khoo tired to negotiate matters with the AF plenty of times, but it all went to vain. Plus the you put in a lot of affect in this matter.

yes,I agree to that too.........but my question is,why were none of us brought in BEFORE any decision was taken........if matter started getting so bad,we should have known about it. We never even heard of it until the thread got closed and WE started getting bombarded with how unfair we were,and how we did not know our job.......etc etc......which simply like a bolt from the blue......so obviously,this step of closing the thread DID NOT make everyone happy. There is never a way where everyone can be happy,but the answer does not lie in shutting people up until ALL the options have been explored. In this case, no other option was explored.

I beleive we could take the liberty of claiming that we have a lot more experience with members who might not be totally bad but can do with some lessons in manners in the virtual world of internet....

KS dev team is not separate from IF dev team..or is it.....what prevented you from giving us the whole picture?

I remember you had posted this in the dev team after the matters had come to a head,and all of us there had advised against closing the topic as there was nothing wrong in it. But you still did it,and we respected it because we thought at that point of time you were the best judge. But then when we received aggreieved pms,and they were NOT from any of the AF four,and whoever received those pms thought it's OK to open the topics now, and make sure no one behaved rudely..and we simply did not barge in here and open it,though we could have.....instead we decided to go for a discussion and decide if it was OK to open the topics.........and it was majority decision by seasoned mods who have seen umpteenth numbers of problem situation and have faced countless attacks that the topics should be reopened, but warning given to those as to what is acceptable.And though I now think you were not totally for it,your complete silence over the matter did not help either.

You are right, we should not allow groupism,but shutting people off is not a solution...........at the end,it's free forum.........and we need to give everyone a chance.

Monica and Khoo, I understand that you are angry,and if there is anything that I have said personally to hurt you,then I am terribly sorry. If there were members who you thought were rude to you, you simply needed to give a shout and we would have come. But we all operate under certain prerogatives,usages and practices we call rules, and we need to follow them.

Please stop being angry........we know you did your best, but don't you angry that even the best have room for growth? To further their knowledge of what is out there which can possibly be different than what we are doing..........please think in a calm manner,and don't forget, no matter what we say,how we differ, we are a team, we stand for each other,and we love you,and I hope I can say the same for you......😳

Like I said before, I'm in no position to blame anyone for what's happening...........But all I know is that this KS parivaar is nothing without it's head, namely Khoo and Monika!.................we need you back guys!...........Please!

Originally posted by: mistletoe

Thank God, you came online Monix....Warna, I think I would have to go to to DLF Phase IV in desperation!😉😆 And place a call to you from there! You would probably have a lot of explanation to do after that!

Dont worry MT i am very much here,no plans to go there this year for sure-i was just busy in my weekend chores so cud not reply.

Jokes apart, need I even say, that its great to have you back on the Forum, in any which way! Suddenly, I feel that I am back to my Old Home.....😃

I am writing to you only to say that you guys made me and so many more members a part of this Forum, which is a second home to all of us! And we can never thank you enough for this!👏 I dont' have to go on about the work that you have put in this Forum, about the atmosphere you guys help cultivate, I think all of us who have been part of the KS Forum since the beginning and afterwards, know that so well!

hey we never said that we are leaving our KS parivaar but ya we wont be able to take the responsility of a viewbiee of Ks for sure-

we are here at our ks parivaar and will be there but as a regualr member,not as viewbiees'.

Thank you so much for coming over and joining in the open discussion! Just goes to show you care so much!🤗 I will be online and take part in this thread and keep posting till this issue is resolved, in a positive manner!

Thank you Mods for the patience & perseverance that you have showed towards all of us and my dear KS Parivaar....A big🤗to all of you, for being with us, when we needed you the most! Let us try and keep our tempers down and let Khoo & Monix sort this out with the Mods first!

On second thoughts, need I add, thank you guys for giving me the whole Lowdown on Hague!😊

Lots of Love,

MT