~~::**Dicussion of the Week**::~~

Hello KS members!

Presenting you with this week's.........

We are back with our new DOTW for this week, and me & Rebecca have volunteered to give you a logical DOTW for this week!

This week of KS was more of an implement in order to cover up last week. Many new things happened in this week's episodes of KS! Listed below are few of the main point or I would rather call it an analysis of last week's episodes critical points.

** Jai forgiving pushkar

** Massi and pushkar trying to get bani and jai together

** Ranveer creating rifts between Jai's and Bani's relationship due to Mount Abu's

project

** Bani objection to jai and still the sentiments of her love for him

** Jai promising Bani in achieving his desired goal of getting back her house in safe and

sound condition

** Bani's desire of finding a job

** Bani giving the bangles to seema (symbolism)

** Pag phere rasam

** Pia interference in bani's life

Specific topic related to the real world! "Selfishness"

Analysis by Tinkerbell (becky):

"The selfishness must be discovered and understood before it can be removed. It is powerless to remove itself, neither will it pass away of itself. Darkness ceases only when light is introduced; so ignorance can only be dispersed by Knowledge; Selfishness by Love." -James Allen

In reality today, the description of selfishness has changed. previously it was identified as

"Selfish: 1 Caring supremely or unduly for one's self, 2 Believing or teaching that the chief motives of human action are derived from love of self "

do these terms sound so bad? time and how people perceive this word has been changed infact the second meaning has been taken away from dictionaries.

in kasamhse this week , Selfishness played a very important role in many of the characters. ether it was the selfishness of love, or the selfishness of anguish and pain, or for self satisfaction... many of the characters were shown to use this emotion...

This week Jai set out on a mission to bring back Bani to the Walia Mansion..his selfish reason began with the wellbeing of his child but by the end of the week his selfishnes was overcome by love, the love he felt for Bani and the importance of her existence can be seen this week to have demolished the old arrogant, selfish, ignorant yet hot Jai Walia...if we recall back to the earlier days of Kasamhse Jai Walia did what he very much pleased and what he thought felt right regardless of morals ..but this week he proved to be a broken man no ounce of arrogance or selfishness all washed away by love....do you think it's selfish to want the wellbeing of your child even if it hurts the mother to see your face?

Bani this week was probably the most selfish to take away her own anguish hurt and pain, she hurt jai maybe feeling this would help her pain lessen, is that right ?to hurt someone so your pain can lessen?We i am sure we all understood and felt Jai's pain when she insisted Pushkars Seema Bhabi kept the kanghan, the khangan which were the first gift from him? the importance of these khanghan were portrayed in bani's thoughts when she reflects how Jai and insisted Massi take the kanghan to bani and make her wear them....

Rano selfish for the fact tht she wanted to see Bani's happiness and return she would be at ease and happt herself..she had betrayed Bani in the sense that she went against her wishes, Bani had obviously informed her that she left Walia house also cut communications with Jai, yet Rano still went behind her back and encouraged a conversation between jai and Bani, as well as insisting that she played dum sharades...now is this act selfish in the sense she went against her sister's wishes. just to see Bani happiness when in return it meant her happiness?

Massi this week was selfish in the sense her love for her munna took over her logical way of thinking. putting his happiness first was her main priority, regardless of Bani's emotions, to a mother a child is her first priority? but is it selfish to want your childs happiness over someone else's pain? It's understandable why Massi wants Jai and Bani back together for his happiness in return that also secures Massis happiness afterall a mother's happiness lies in her children's...but is it fair to help Jai gain back Bani when shes already emotionally scarred and in anguish, Massi has not yet put Jai's feeling aside and assessed bani's emotions.. so is Massi right to want Jai's happiness over Bani's?is this selfish as in return Massi herself will be happy?

And madam Pia..her general attitude is about me, me, me her attitude was selfish in the sense that her personal vendetta against Jai Walia is clouding her judgment, she cannot see beyond the fact that jai Walia did her sister wrong?and that maybe secretly she is selfish because she might just regret not marrying him, which has already been expressed in a previous episode Maybe she doesn't want her sister's happiness because it painfully reminds her of what she left behind? This wee kPia even went to the extremes of shouting at Pushkar because he did not inform her of Bani's whereabouts, i mean shouldn't she be thankful Bani is ok not be jealous of the fact pushkar did not share this with her, she would rather he betrayhed someone else's trust and told her, and jealousy of your own sister? Do you think Pia is selfish or just looking out for her sister?

whenever anyone chooses one value over another - regardless of what's being chosen the person is choosing for and by themselves - essentially being 'selfish'. Look over the choices you make. The really important thing is to recognize that people to act from, and in accordance with, their own personal values and perceptions. The decisions they make reflect these values and perceptions.

Once you have understood this you will be able to gain a clearer insight into peoples behavior and including your own. by understanding that people act with regard to their own values, towards what they consider to be good for themselves enables you have more empathy with others and to understand the true meaning of selfish and to whom it really applies.

In Kasamhse just like us real people, they are selfish in their own way whether those reasons are good or bad..wether its for pain or self gratification selfishness exists in each and every one of us....

Comparison to the real world by me:

In real world, we see things or do thing prior to our ways. The main theme that was chosen for this week's analysis was of course mentioned above is "selfishness." In some way or the other, we always seem to consider our self more important than other, but when it comes to our loved ones, we are always neglect their mistakes and care about them, no matter how wrong they are or how wrong have they done. It's just part of life, and this what makes us no different than other, or rather not perfect.

Sometimes, selfish motives of a person can be looked as a negative way or positive way. They can be justify as good cause and this good cause might be to protect someone or something close to you, but then again, the word selfish is given so negativity, that it remains a mere woe of reality.

Bringing to notice, everyone at some point were selfish in their every day lives, and only they know what their real intentions were! No matter how big or little the issue is, we always desire things that make us happy! From out point of view, it might look like that we are doing things to make ourselves happy.

A topic like this can broaden the every aspect of our lives and might broaden our opinions as well. If we look at the characters of KS, each and every one of them has a flaw, and one thing they all have in common is selfishness. Whether it's envy, gluttony, pride, lust, anger, sloth, power, or love… it all comes to one thing and that what makes up a hypocrite!!

Okay not making this discussion long, I have come up with some questions for you guys, that if you want, can answer them and if you don't want to.. it's all up to you members!!

Do try to answer some of them that you think are important to you!!

Questionnaire:

In which category do you portray yourself? Selfish motives sometimes or always sacrificing?

When was the last time you were ever selfish to someone?

In Kasamh Se, what character from your point of view is not selfish?

What is one thing that makes us different from others? (I'll tell you my opinion; it's definitely our principles from my point of view)

If you're loved one was to commit a mistake, and you forgive him/her for that, would it be called being egotistical or protection?

What is the word "self-centered" from your point of view means?

What makes us perfect or are we not perfect?

What message does Kasamh Se sends?

Okay I didn't want to thrash you with so many questions!! Well get brain cells working and have fun answering them, and please leave your feedback!!

Love

Khoo

PS: Special thanks to **Tinkerbell** (Rebecca!)

There is one part I majorly disagree with is about Bani. You said she was selfish in giving the bangles to Seema bhabhi when Jai was watching. She knew it would hurt Jai and yes it did.But how can anyone expect Bani to forgive her mother's killer. Her Mother, the colsest friend any girl can have in her formative years, was taken away from her and that also by a man whom she came to love so dearly. You tell which Daughter can forgive her Mother's killer. That incident took away Bani's childhood. She had to grow up before her years for the sake of her sisters. Do you think now she will care whether Jai gets hurt or not. Nnot only was her mother accidently killed by him but the very fact that he hid this fact from her and married her despite it, is what is bothering Bani. In a way he betrayed her trust. In any relationship Trust is of prime importance. I dont think we should call Bani's behaviour as selfish. That was a mere reaction by a hurt daughter. And she has every right in the world to be angry.

P.S: I dont think Jai killed Bani's mother, so she will come around once she knows the fact.

Originally posted by: khoo

Hello KS members!

Presenting you with this week's.........

We are back with our new DOTW for this week, and me & Rebecca have volunteered to give you a logical DOTW for this week!

This week of KS was more of an implement in order to cover up last week. Many new things happened in this week's episodes of KS! Listed below are few of the main point or I would rather call it an analysis of last week's episodes critical points.

** Jai forgiving pushkar

** Massi and pushkar trying to get bani and jai together

** Ranveer creating rifts between Jai's and Bani's relationship due to Mount Abu's

project

** Bani objection to jai and still the sentiments of her love for him

** Jai promising Bani in achieving his desired goal of getting back her house in safe and

sound condition

** Bani's desire of finding a job

** Bani giving the bangles to seema (symbolism)

** Pag phere rasam

** Pia interference in bani's life

Specific topic related to the real world! "Selfishness"

Analysis by Tinkerbell (becky):

"The selfishness must be discovered and understood before it can be removed. It is powerless to remove itself, neither will it pass away of itself. Darkness ceases only when light is introduced; so ignorance can only be dispersed by Knowledge; Selfishness by Love." -James Allen

In reality today, the description of selfishness has changed. previously it was identified as

"Selfish: 1 Caring supremely or unduly for one's self, 2 Believing or teaching that the chief motives of human action are derived from love of self "

do these terms sound so bad? time and how people perceive this word has been changed infact the second meaning has been taken away from dictionaries.

in kasamhse this week , Selfishness played a very important role in many of the characters. ether it was the selfishness of love, or the selfishness of anguish and pain, or for self satisfaction... many of the characters were shown to use this emotion...

This week Jai set out on a mission to bring back Bani to the Walia Mansion..his selfish reason began with the wellbeing of his child but by the end of the week his selfishnes was overcome by love, the love he felt for Bani and the importance of her existence can be seen this week to have demolished the old arrogant, selfish, ignorant yet hot Jai Walia...if we recall back to the earlier days of Kasamhse Jai Walia did what he very much pleased and what he thought felt right regardless of morals ..but this week he proved to be a broken man no ounce of arrogance or selfishness all washed away by love....do you think it's selfish to want the wellbeing of your child even if it hurts the mother to see your face?

Bani this week was probably the most selfish to take away her own anguish hurt and pain, she hurt jai maybe feeling this would help her pain lessen, is that right ?to hurt someone so your pain can lessen?We i am sure we all understood and felt Jai's pain when she insisted Pushkars Seema Bhabi kept the kanghan, the khangan which were the first gift from him? the importance of these khanghan were portrayed in bani's thoughts when she reflects how Jai and insisted Massi take the kanghan to bani and make her wear them....

Rano selfish for the fact tht she wanted to see Bani's happiness and return she would be at ease and happt herself..she had betrayed Bani in the sense that she went against her wishes, Bani had obviously informed her that she left Walia house also cut communications with Jai, yet Rano still went behind her back and encouraged a conversation between jai and Bani, as well as insisting that she played dum sharades...now is this act selfish in the sense she went against her sister's wishes. just to see Bani happiness when in return it meant her happiness?

Massi this week was selfish in the sense her love for her munna took over her logical way of thinking. putting his happiness first was her main priority, regardless of Bani's emotions, to a mother a child is her first priority? but is it selfish to want your childs happiness over someone else's pain? It's understandable why Massi wants Jai and Bani back together for his happiness in return that also secures Massis happiness afterall a mother's happiness lies in her children's...but is it fair to help Jai gain back Bani when shes already emotionally scarred and in anguish, Massi has not yet put Jai's feeling aside and assessed bani's emotions.. so is Massi right to want Jai's happiness over Bani's?is this selfish as in return Massi herself will be happy?

And madam Pia..her general attitude is about me, me, me her attitude was selfish in the sense that her personal vendetta against Jai Walia is clouding her judgment, she cannot see beyond the fact that jai Walia did her sister wrong?and that maybe secretly she is selfish because she might just regret not marrying him, which has already been expressed in a previous episode Maybe she doesn't want her sister's happiness because it painfully reminds her of what she left behind? This wee kPia even went to the extremes of shouting at Pushkar because he did not inform her of Bani's whereabouts, i mean shouldn't she be thankful Bani is ok not be jealous of the fact pushkar did not share this with her, she would rather he betrayhed someone else's trust and told her, and jealousy of your own sister? Do you think Pia is selfish or just looking out for her sister?

whenever anyone chooses one value over another - regardless of what's being chosen the person is choosing for and by themselves - essentially being 'selfish'. Look over the choices you make. The really important thing is to recognize that people to act from, and in accordance with, their own personal values and perceptions. The decisions they make reflect these values and perceptions.

Once you have understood this you will be able to gain a clearer insight into peoples behavior and including your own. by understanding that people act with regard to their own values, towards what they consider to be good for themselves enables you have more empathy with others and to understand the true meaning of selfish and to whom it really applies.

In Kasamhse just like us real people, they are selfish in their own way whether those reasons are good or bad..wether its for pain or self gratification selfishness exists in each and every one of us....

Wow that was a really good analysis Becky!!! I actually agree with every word!!! it is the truth that selfishness is in every one of us!!! well done for such a good analysis👏

Comparison to the real world by me:

In real world, we see things or do thing prior to our ways. The main theme that was chosen for this week's analysis was of course mentioned above is "selfishness." In some way or the other, we always seem to consider our self more important than other, but when it comes to our loved ones, we are always neglect their mistakes and care about them, no matter how wrong they are or how wrong have they done. It's just part of life, and this what makes us no different than other, or rather not perfect.

Sometimes, selfish motives of a person can be looked as a negative way or positive way. They can be justify as good cause and this good cause might be to protect someone or something close to you, but then again, the word selfish is given so negativity, that it remains a mere woe of reality.

Bringing to notice, everyone at some point were selfish in their every day lives, and only they know what their real intentions were! No matter how big or little the issue is, we always desire things that make us happy! From out point of view, it might look like that we are doing things to make ourselves happy.

A topic like this can broaden the every aspect of our lives and might broaden our opinions as well. If we look at the characters of KS, each and every one of them has a flaw, and one thing they all have in common is selfishness. Whether it's envy, gluttony, pride, lust, anger, sloth, power, or love… it all comes to one thing and that what makes up a hypocrite!!

Okay not making this discussion long, I have come up with some questions for you guys, that if you want, can answer them and if you don't want to.. it's all up to you members!!

Do try to answer some of them that you think are important to you!!

I couldnt agree more because i understand too that selfishness does exist in everone!! selfishnesss shouldnt always be a negative thing though!!

Questionnaire:

In which category do you portray yourself? Selfish motives sometimes or always sacrificing?

I have an honest urge to lie here.. but i will be truthfull!!! I am more selfish motives!!! 😆

When was the last time you were ever selfish to someone?

I honestly cant remember😕

In Kasamh Se, what character from your point of view is not selfish?

Hmm I reckon that the only selfless person is probably aditya.. but that is probably because we dont see much of him!! everyone else is pretty much selfish!!!

What is one thing that makes us different from others? (I'll tell you my opinion; it's definitely our principles from my point of view)

Yeh i agree some people have more principles others have none!!! i also think that what makes us different is our ways of thinking .. some people think negative and others positive and this can make a big difference!!!

If you're loved one was to commit a mistake, and you forgive him/her for that, would it be called being egotistical or protection?

I dont know!! i find it hard to decide!!!😕

What is the word "self-centered" from your point of view means?

I think it means when someone is always thinking about themselves and how situations affect them and someone who doesnt think about others!!!

What makes us perfect or are we not perfect?

Honestly in my opinion nobody is perfect.. not even Mr Walia.. or Ram Kapoor for that matter!!! what makes us perfect is that we understand that we are not perfect and that everyone is differnent!!! I know it sort of diesnt make sense but thats what i think

What message does Kasamh Se send?

kasamh se sends a message of love and commitment and encourages us to bond with others.. despite differences!!!

Okay I didn't want to thrash you with so many questions!! Well get brain cells working and have fun answering them, and please leave your feedback!!

Love

Khoo

PS: Special thanks to **Tinkerbell** (Rebecca!)

That was a really good analysis by you and becky!!! just wanted to say well done and i enjoyed answering your questions!!!

In which category do you portray yourself? Selfish motives sometimes or always sacrificing?
Both i guess i can be selfish at times but don't go out of my way knowing that others would be hurt.


When was the last time you were ever selfish to someone?
dunno must have been when i was veryyyyyyy young seriously i dunno

In Kasamh Se, what character from your point of view is not selfish?
I think that ever1 is a lil But Aditiya to a much larger extent isn't

What is one thing that makes us different from others? (I'll tell you my opinion; it's definitely our principles from my point of view)
I couldn't agree with you more our principles make us what we are and set us apart from the others creating out own individuality

If you're loved one was to commit a mistake, and you forgive him/her for that, would it be called being egotistical or protection?
i dunno guess it will all depend on the situation and ofcourse how big or small the mistake is

What is the word "self-centered" from your point of view means?
ME ME ME ME oh and ME sum1 only thinking about themselves and how each and everything affect them

What makes us perfect or are we not perfect?
nobody is perfect everyone has a flaw of some sort

What message does Kasamh Se sends?
chereish your loved ones , learn to respect others regardless of what or who they are and be honest

In which category do you portray yourself? Selfish motives sometimes or always sacrificing?

I would say both..To be honest,its selfish motives..but for my loved ones,i am sacrifising too..

When was the last time you were ever selfish to someone?

If i say,i dont remember,then i would definitely by lying..In day to day life,small situations arise when you are selfish..But then,you dont do that knowingly..it just happens..

In Kasamh Se, what character from your point of view is not selfish?

Both Aditya and Dadi are not selfish in kasamh se..

Overall, except Pia , Ranveer and Jigs ,no other character is selfish..its the situation that makes them so..When you are hurting,you think about you only..No person can deny that..Jai was hurting when he married Bani,so he was selfish then..Bani is hurting now cos of this park road thing and then realising that she is carrying the child of her mother's murderer..so she is selfish now..

I dont think Rano is selfish and thats why she wants bani back in the Walia mansion..She was the one who got to see Jai and Bani's marriage closely..She was the one who saw Bani falling for Jai and since she recently discovered LOVE herself,she kinda has a strong belief that LOVE overcomes misunderstandings.

What is one thing that makes us different from others? (I'll tell you my opinion; it's definitely our principles from my point of view)

I totally agree with you here Khoo..Its the principles that differenciate us from others..But having principles only is not imp.Its how you stand by your principles during difficult situations is imp.When life is in bad shape,people tend to forget the principles and just concentrate on making everything right.. If thats the case, you are no different from others.

If you're loved one was to commit a mistake, and you forgive him/her for that, would it be called being egotistical or protection?

Thats a difficult question to answer.But i guess it would be called protection..

What is the word "self-centered" from your point of view means?

" I, Me , Myself "

What makes us perfect or are we not perfect?

No body is perfect. Show me one perfect person and I would say you are a liar..

What message does Kasamh Se sends?

To love unconditionally.

Wow...great post! I just joined india-forums..actually I had been a member before but just recently really got into it and especially Kasamh Se..I must say that you guys really do a good job updating the serial so promptly and even keeping the videos up to date..I really commend all of your efforts..Thanks a lot..Also for this week's discussion I do think that Jai is selfish for his child but I think he is sort of hovering over the selfish line for Bani too..He wants her to himself and can't bare to see her go..I think this week modeled this emotion quiet well but I just think he needs to be a little more aggresive..I mean not too aggresive but I mean come on his wife who is pregnant with his child who he really loves and is THE best thing to happen to him is going away from him and all he does is sulk about it..I think maybe in the upcoming week he is going to do just that and really take control of the situation and maybe next week's topic is going to deal with determination and the will to put everything up on the stakes..This is all I have for this week's discussion..I hope I was not too off topic and also did not offend anyone..I am new to all of this..like posting replys and the such but hopefully with support I can also contribute in a little bit to the wonderful forum you guys are keeping up..
Thanks..once again.. 😊

Originally posted by: aerian

In which category do you portray yourself? Selfish motives sometimes or always sacrificing?

I would say both..To be honest,its selfish motives..but for my loved ones,i am sacrifising too..

When was the last time you were ever selfish to someone?

If i say,i dont remember,then i would definitely by lying..In day to day life,small situations arise when you are selfish..But then,you dont do that knowingly..it just happens..

In Kasamh Se, what character from your point of view is not selfish?

Both Aditya and Dadi are not selfish in kasamh se..

Overall, except Pia , Ranveer and Jigs ,no other character is selfish..its the situation that makes them so..When you are hurting,you think about you only..No person can deny that..Jai was hurting when he married Bani,so he was selfish then..Bani is hurting now cos of this park road thing and then realising that she is carrying the child of her mother's murderer..so she is selfish now..

I dont think Rano is selfish and thats why she wants bani back in the Walia mansion..She was the one who got to see Jai and Bani's marriage closely..She was the one who saw Bani falling for Jai and since she recently discovered LOVE herself,she kinda has a strong belief that LOVE overcomes misunderstandings.

What is one thing that makes us different from others? (I'll tell you my opinion; it's definitely our principles from my point of view)

I totally agree with you here Khoo..Its the principles that differenciate us from others..But having principles only is not imp.Its how you stand by your principles during difficult situations is imp.When life is in bad shape,people tend to forget the principles and just concentrate on making everything right.. If thats the case, you are no different from others.

If you're loved one was to commit a mistake, and you forgive him/her for that, would it be called being egotistical or protection?

Thats a difficult question to answer.But i guess it would be called protection..

What is the word "self-centered" from your point of view means?

" I, Me , Myself "

What makes us perfect or are we not perfect?

No body is perfect. Show me one perfect person and I would say you are a liar..

What message does Kasamh Se sends?

To love unconditionally.

Hey aerian... nice answers!!

But yaar i disagree with the rano part!! Wasn't she selfish when she ran away with sahil!!

I mean didn't she think about her sister bani, but when pia ran away, she gave her the only lecture!!

I mean, that point i think her character was hypocrite because she was doing the same thing pia did, and on top of that when pia ran away with pushy, she was accusing pia, but then again, she ended up in pia's shows!

I can't think of aditya being selfish right now!! but i'm sure may be at some point even he was selfish!!

Bani was selfish when she took pia's side even after she ran away!! i saw someone disagreeing so i just replied here!!

I think bani is being selfish right now as to keeping away jai from his child!! hmm this is just a logical thought of mine!! just sharing my views!!😉

In which category do you portray yourself? Selfish motives sometimes or always sacrificing?

i wud say that i'm selfish at times, but other times, i'm sacrificing, so both.

When was the last time you were ever selfish to someone?

um...oh yeah, just like 3 hours ago 😆 My sister wanted some of my Snickers and i refused, so she had to like forcibly take it from me 😆

In Kasamh Se, what character from your point of view is not selfish?

I wud have to say, that the least selfish person on KS is Bani. She is always thinking of others b4 herself. She is willing to go to any lengths to make her ppl happy 😃

What is one thing that makes us different from others? (I'll tell you my opinion; it's definitely our principles from my point of view)

It's the kind of values we are taught. The way we are brought up and taught to act towards ppl.

If you're loved one was to commit a mistake, and you forgive him/her for that, would it be called being egotistical or protection?

i'm not sure, so i'll pass

What is the word "self-centered" from your point of view means?

It's when u are always thinking about urself b4 others. U have no empathy towards anyone else but urself. You always think about urself first and think that everyone else shud do the same

What makes us perfect or are we not perfect?

No one is perfect. If we were perfect, there wudn't be so many imperfections in this world

What message does Kasamh Se sends?

That u have to strive for something that u want. That true love can overcome all battles.

By the way, that was an excellent analysis by u and Becky 👏

hello khoo,
nice idea as always.... 👏 👏 👏
great job khoo n rebecca.

i will be back with my answers......... 😃

Questionnaire:

In which category do you portray yourself? Selfish motives sometimes or always sacrificing?
More often than not, I'm sacrificing. I think it comes particularly easily when you're a mum

When was the last time you were ever selfish to someone?
I generally never am, except when it comes to sleep deprivation. So then I will be selfish and my poor husband loses out!

In Kasamh Se, what character from your point of view is not selfish?Oh come on, 😆 being selfish at its best means protecting yourself - which means everyone, including the KS characters, are selfish to a degree. Your question should have been who is the most unselfish character to which I think we would have to say Bani.

What is one thing that makes us different from others? (I'll tell you my opinion; it's definitely our principles from my point of view)A valid point, but to be fair there are so many others - it's an ambiguous question.

If you're loved one was to commit a mistake, and you forgive him/her for that, would it be called being egotistical or protection? Neither come to mind. It could be pure common sense, it could be pure greed or selfishness. It could be called tactical! In other words, it depends on the circumstances.

What is the word "self-centered" from your point of view means? Definitely Me Myself and I

What makes us perfect or are we not perfect? To be human is to be imperfect

What message does Kasamh Se sends? All the wrong ones at the moment!!! 😡 It should send out the message of loyalty and honesty - that's what it means doesn't it? But then you have to practice what you preach - and that is never easy.

wELL DONE ON THE HARD WORK!👍🏼

😡MADDY😡