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Posted: 9 years ago

So it's been a while since the 'manik returns' event ( or non event, opinions vary :) ) - and after watching the last few episode reactions, i feel a little concerned.

Predominantly, we seem to be getting reactions from the filter of Manan - i.e. yayyy ( Manan romance, Manan dance, Manan pillow fight etc etc) or nayyy ( non Manan scenes, Aryaman, Maddy, harshad).

While I understand that people have been starved of Manan for a month earlier and hence needed some romance dose...I think the bigger KYY picture is being lost here.

Kyy was, atleast in S1 and part of S2, about life for today's youth. Their issues, joys, pain, frustrations - I am not talking about how it was executed because that's a separate topic all together. But the focus was not solely on Manik & Nandini as a couple...it was their relationship within the parameters of their life interactions. In terms of screen time as well, the high point of KYY was balance. There was character development since time was given to everything - which is why we all like / dislike characters with so much passion, because we understand all of them, their motivations and issues.

But somewhere along the line, in the craze for Manik & Nandini, we...and hence the showmakers...have started to narrow that focus. Which, while may be enjoyable for a short time for a certain audience, will definitely be a recipe for disaster in the long run. Let's ask ourselves why a story appeals to us - because it interests us enough to ask " What now ? What next ?". And that is only possible when there is more than just one aspect i.e romance. Even if it is a love story, it is interesting only if there are ups and downs.

Why am I giving this gyaan ? Because I really feel our reactions are noted by the show makers...and the current feedback we seem to be giving is " Manan scene = TRP". Whether the show makers should or shouldn't listen is irrelevant...point is, they are. And we are giving very short sighted signals.

We should be happy that in the last two episodes the writers are atleast TRYING to get a broader aspect back - Harshad & Alya, Nandini n Nayva , Aryaman's loneliness ( again , I am NOT talking about execution or storyline here...just the fact that there is an attempt). But we seem to be intent on killing any move that takes time away from Manan romance.

Please try and think again about why KYY worked - a large part was Manik n Nandini, but it wasn't that alone. Don't make this into a ' daily Manan scene' thing...that's a sure shot route to overkill, boredom, and finally death.

Give feedback and reactions - but to improve the show, not just the bank of Manan scenes.

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AreYaar

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Posted: 9 years ago

When a show is continuing for the sake of continuing, the results will be like this only.

As for supporting characters...if they hadn't cast such a god awful bunch and given them such a contrived and forced storyline, I don't think ppl would be complaining so much.

Or maybe they would be...lol this mania has always been like this even in the days when the show actually did have a better supporting cast in the form of Cabir or even the cameos which acted better than the current lot of Maddy, Arya and co.

The fanbase only seems to have gotten more frustrated with time and the shoddy execution isn't going to help anything since the PH and channel seem least interested in investing in that aspect which is the backbone of a show.

What a show needs and what it gets are always two different things on desi TV...lol

The makers have always noted fan reactions and they have always been this shallow and MaNan-obsessed only...there's nothing new on that front...but the original creators seemed personally interested in having a credible storyline and characterization inspite of the MaNan craze so that came about then...new crew works differently.

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enness

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: AreYaar
When a show is continuing for the sake of continuing, the results will be like this only.

As for supporting characters...if they hadn't cast such a god awful bunch and given them such a contrived and forced storyline, I don't think ppl would be complaining so much.

Or maybe they would be...lol this mania has always been like this even in the days when the show actually did have a better supporting cast in the form of Cabir or even the cameos which acted better than the current lot of Maddy, Arya and co.

The fanbase only seems to have gotten more frustrated with time and the shoddy execution isn't going to help anything since the PH and channel seem least interested in investing in that aspect which is the backbone of a show.

What a show needs and what it gets are always two different things on desi TV...lol

The makers have always noted fan reactions and they have always been this shallow and MaNan-obsessed only...there's nothing new on that front...but the original creators seemed personally interested in having a credible storyline and characterization inspite of the MaNan craze so that came about then...new crew works differently.

@bold - exactly my point...criticise the execution, please do. But then be fair and criticize the forced and stiff manan stuff too. Right now it just seems everyone is happy as long as the two are in one frame.

Criticism of execution and story is one thing - criticism of anything that takes away from romance and coochicoo , irrespective of execution, is another.

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AreYaar

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: enness

@bold - exactly my point...criticise the execution, please do. But then be fair and criticize the forced and stiff manan stuff too. Right now it just seems everyone is happy as long as the two are in one frame.
Criticism of execution and story is one thing - criticism of anything that takes away from romance and coochicoo , irrespective of execution, is another.

You seem new to the forum, please correct me if I'm wrong😆

Maybe you're not aware then of the history of this fandom...lol let me give you the cliff notes version...there will always remain a huge section that cannot see beyond MaNan coochie-cooing and romancing in any fashion...lameness not withstanding...for them the world only exists in so far as these two being in the same frame attempting to romance each other in some form.

Then there's another section that would like some substance to the romance since these two are capable of portraying it well when given something with substance and nuance...that section of fans used to be more vocal before...now, not so much.

Then there's another section that cared for overall storyline and character development along with MaNan stuff...that section also used to be more vocal but are tired of repeating the same feedback by this point...they can't be blamed😆

So section 1 has essentially grown bigger and bigger with time even as new viewers trickle into the fanbase while sections 2 and 3 rotate around based on time and motivation.

You are expecting that ppl will give objective feedback regarding execution...lol it's a noble thought but it's a case of bhains ke aage been bajaana...when the writers themselves refuse to see their blunders on a basic level, 2-3 logon ke bolne se kya hoga? Ofcourse then ppl's focus will narrow only to getting their instant gratification from a MaNan scene...when the other characters are just that frustratingly pathetic in both acting and execution.

To truly fix anything the show will need a radical change in storyline and supporting cast...which they don't seem interested in doing...it's a case of dragging a dead weight right now...and most ppl don't have the time and energy left to sit here and give a point by point guide to the so called talented writers to fix their own damn show😆...phir toh bhai obsessed fandom ka feedback hi milega which will diss anything non-MaNan...ab bhugto😆

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: AreYaar

You seem new to the forum, please correct me if I'm wrong😆

Maybe you're not aware then of the history of this fandom...lol let me give you the cliff notes version...there will always remain a huge section that cannot see beyond MaNan coochie-cooing and romancing in any fashion...lameness not withstanding...for them the world only exists in so far as these two being in the same frame attempting to romance each other in some form.

Then there's another section that would like some substance to the romance since these two are capable of portraying it well when given something with substance and nuance...that section of fans used to be more vocal before...now, not so much.

Then there's another section that cared for overall storyline and character development along with MaNan stuff...that section also used to be more vocal but are tired of repeating the same feedback by this point...they can't be blamed😆

So section 1 has essentially grown bigger and bigger with time even as new viewers trickle into the fanbase while sections 2 and 3 rotate around based on time and motivation.

You are expecting that ppl will give objective feedback regarding execution...lol it's a noble thought but it's a case of bhains ke aage been bajaana...when the writers themselves refuse to see their blunders on a basic level, 2-3 logon ke bolne se kya hoga? Ofcourse then ppl's focus will narrow only to getting their instant gratification from a MaNan scene...when the other characters are just that frustratingly pathetic in both acting and execution.

To truly fix anything the show will need a radical change in storyline and supporting cast...which they don't seem interested in doing...it's a case of dragging a dead weight right now...and most ppl don't have the time and energy left to sit here and give a point by point guide to the so called talented writers to fix their own damn show😆...phir toh bhai obsessed fandom ka feedback hi milega which will diss anything non-MaNan...ab bhugto😆

Lol...nope, not that new to the forum. Mostly silent, but sometimes I try to shake my cynicism off😉

Im definitely in the 3rd group...just wondering if we should give up. Maybe we already have...in which case, better to wean myself off the show.

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AreYaar

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: enness
Lol...nope, not that new to the forum. Mostly silent, but sometimes I try to shake my cynicism off😉

Im definitely in the 3rd group...just wondering if we should give up. Maybe we already have...in which case, better to wean myself off the show.

LOL I said that cuz I've been here since around Nov. last year and there have been plenty of posts since back then also pointing to storyline hiccups during the Soha or Pundit tracks but I never saw you here before.

Seems like you finally found the urge to speak up mainly for this season 2 trainwreck...haha...but it might be a case of too little too late now...this disaster is beyond salvaging😆...

You can either wean yourself off or suck it up and make do with the superficial breadcrumbs that make up this "storyline"😆...or you could just watch it for the lulz...Maddy's "acting" and non-existent dialogue delivery is great for comedic effect I must say😆...I have no idea what he's doing why he's doing it but the comedy is full on...when you give up trying to make sense of anything, it all becomes hilarious😆

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priakachan

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Posted: 9 years ago

Guys...first of all...let me tell U..I'm a viewer who started watching KY2 mainly because I read that the show is loosely based on 'Hanayori Dango' and its korean version 'Boys over flowers/Boys before flowers'. But then I found the start itself interesting with the story of fireflies and all! It really had a very interesting start and with the entry of Fab 5..then torturing Nandini...I felt a good connect of the storyline with BOF! Then wanted to see if it'll be the exact copy! 😉

But then as story went ahead...there were modifications as in the story of Dhruv having some brain problems...the story of enmity between Manik and Harshad...the story of Band of brothers which was never developed and shown even as a flashback of events and these two threads kept audience attracted to a certain point. If U think carefully half the story of KY2 was the love story of Manik and Nandini.

How first Alya was Manik's girlfriend, then they broke up..then Nandini became Manik's love interest and amidst that Dhruv-Nandini episode and how Manik was affected it, his sacrifice, Nandini's retortion, Manik finally confessing truth, then him realizing Nandini loves him only and he going after her for manofying and after that him being a bit detached then Soha's entry, then it was all about MaNan facing Soha's problem and then trust issue between Manik and Nandini, then Nandini trying to win back Manik and the whole Pandit story and finally Pandit also caught and Pandit is out and Nandini's trauma of Pandit and Manik trying to make her return to music and the Mangalore trip, Amms story and then MaNan confession and when they return...Aryaman's episode with him trying to harm Manik and Nandini trying to protect him and then finally MaNan making love and after that Manik-Kabir accident. 😆

Mukti's issue with Harshad, love story with Abhi were there in between, Kabir's gay issue was there, Dhruv's starry trauma issues all were there in between and Navya's affair with Harshad, her pregnancy and how they tackled the issue of her getting ousted. But all these were sideline tracks of the story which basically ended up being Manik and Nandini's love story. There is a truth..if Manik and Nandini's love story was stopped and if Parth had not returned..with Maddy in Season 2...there was not much scope as fans wanted to see the pure love story of Manik and Nandini.😳

It was basically their love story. The aspect of them as musicians..members of Fab 5 was never completely shown. It was like suddenly there would be music classes, then them performing for concerts, musicana, fusion concert. Amidst all of that new threats of Soha, Pandit. But all those parts had to do with Manik and Nandini. Lead cast hai yaar..tho unke oopar hi story rahenge. Yes..friendship track is good..but in India...serious stories..friendship stories se zyaada romance stories get success. If Manik and Nandini had only average chemistry...audience may have skipped the show or even totally quit watching and due to low trps the show may have shut down. But Parth and Niti did an awesome job with all those romance scenes. So that made audience crave for more.

We can't blame the audience too, yaar! If we check out whether people will watch DDLJ more or a movie like Krantiveer...it would be DDLJ! People love to look at the world through rosy glasses. They don't want to see problems..to them tv is their way to escape from problems. Even in saans bahu series...there would be romantic parts. But saans bahu serials are mainly watched by older women than by youth. Younger girls and guys love to watch romance more...I mean atleast the majority. The name would be youth show..but everybody would love to watch a la cinderella kind of show. 😉

The average middle class girl romancing the rich spoilt guy and turning him into a good person...a story similar to that of beauty and the beast...don't U think audience will love it more? 😉

Maybe innocent Nandini and monster Manik's romance was a bit like that of 'Beauty and the Beast'. We still love fairytales😉 Actually though I started watching KY2 to see how it is executed..but after passing of time..I started enjoying MaNan romance too. I felt that once Parth left...the glow of the show was gone.

Madhyam has a different personality. Not the kind of personality like Manik who was straight-forward, stern, confronting, angry young man type. Madhyam is more like a sarcastic, teasing kind of guy who has a laid-back attitude. But audience wanted some drama...and monster Manik gave it to them in Season 1. They wanted to see Parth back and that's why he returned to season 2...where Madhyam was not making much of an impact on audience though they were liking his acting and all. But if Parth had not returned..I strongly doubt if the story would go any further than the tiffs between Nandini and Madhyam, Aryaman falling for Nandini, Harshad-Madhyam faceoffs, Fab 5 missing Manik and doing concerts for Manik and Navya's baby, adoption issues.

It's not easy to pull the story any further because if they stretch this above mentioned track more..it will get boring. Nandini cannot accept Aryaman, Madhyam-Harshad tiffs and Nandini-Madhyam tiffs won't have much power. The powerful lead Manik is missing. Now since Parth returned..it can be the powerful Manik against the 1MB Madhyam and back to MaNan romance which was sort of winded up quickly in Season 1 and maybe even Manik having issues with Aryaman.

Audience now are excited and what more do the CVs and makers want? They are doing the show for audience. What audience want to see...they will try to show that, haina?😆

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Posted: 9 years ago

I personally think that kyy2 is damn boring.. Everyone seems to be doing over acting.. Though i have start watching is again for parth, but I'm not really enjoying it.. .even niti's acting has slided down.. .she gives different reaction then what is required in scenes.. .i liked ayaz ki acting.. .uttu, krissan has improved, charlie is still shouting at everything. ..never liked karan's acting, and he really needs to get his eyebrows done...yuvraj i never liked and he looks like he is still in fanna 2, parth's acting is still okay, so is veebha.. .kyy never had much in the name of story but overall in season 1, everybody's acting was much better.. Kudos to shashank and rajeev.. .god knows who the director is now.. .kyy2 does not have the same standard though they r trying to give screen space to everyone...

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Posted: 9 years ago

Agree for the most part. In my opinion, they've stretched KYY needlessly. While S1 wasn't flawless even where MaNan was concerned, they did manage to remain consistent and true to the characters for the most part. S2 looks more like "give-the-viewers-whatever-they-want-to-keep-them-happy".

As far as the side characters are concerned, a major put-off in S1 (for me) was the lack of acting skills (except Cabir). KYY itself eventually became more and more about MaNan than the other characters. But as long as they don't negate the character growth of MaNan for the sake of these characters or for new drama, I don't think it's a problem (then again I only just caught up with the recent episodes after stopping in S1, so I'm really detached. More of a time-pass thing for me now.)

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Originally posted by: chattycatty
I personally think that kyy2 is damn boring.. Everyone seems to be doing over acting.. Though i have start watching is again for parth, but I'm not really enjoying it.. .even niti's acting has slided down.. .she gives different reaction then what is required in scenes.. .i liked ayaz ki acting.. .uttu, krissan has improved, charlie is still shouting at everything. ..never liked karan's acting, and he really needs to get his eyebrows done...yuvraj i never liked and he looks like he is still in fanna 2, parth's acting is still okay, so is veebha.. .kyy never had much in the name of story but overall in season 1, everybody's acting was much better.. Kudos to shashank and rajeev.. .god knows who the director is now.. .kyy2 does not have the same standard though they r trying to give screen space to everyone...

Yes the acting seems to have gone haywire...and direction too. No sense in most scenes, and reactions are off.

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