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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: 13thwish

@Genie: Sigh! Nope that argument works if we are talking of Manik's perspective of Nandu but we're not.. we're talking about the audience perspective of her.. there is less effort made to built that connect and that is the writer's failing.. they have constraints and different priorities etc. we get that but it's this inequality that leaves room for misinterpretation of her thoughts and actions simply because there is less clarity in how she functions.. everything we discover about her we extrapolate, there is never any evidence or validation of it except on rare occasions unlike Manik whose every action is traced with utmost attention to detail.

Okay enough, I need BI if I'm to break my head on this again😆



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@CC:What you said "they never took it further" and all we're saying is there was room for that but it was never prioritized cuz the FOCUS was on other things. That is why to the less discerning audience, Nandu seems uni-dimensional only her feelings for Manik being crystal clear... Manik's obvious complexes make for easier writing and more overt tropes so they are highlighted.. It is what it is.. Imperfect but still beautiful..




Actually even with Manik there are so many ambiguous subjective complexities that hell a lot of audience ends up considering him just grumpy and stubborn and there are loops that have gone around and over for like 60+ episodes. (The whole post musicana redemption track - walking away from her-the whole i hate you and il make it difficult for you track) its just hard for the general audience to grasp because you somewhat imbalance the understanding btw the two leads where only one's doing the appeasing, and mending. I think some things should be fed to the audience, quicker, but bit by bit to maintain the mystery the ought to maintain. Some part of Nandini's past being shown in the show where it shapes some sort of decision on her own and individual from Manik and viceversa.




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Posted: 10 years ago
To develop a connect with audience you will need Nandini failing, crying with her own family shit , having her conflicts explored all the time. You cannot have that running along,when writers are trying to sell you a deranged character like Manik who went from black/grey to now almost white. To play Manik's issues you will need a sane, perfect Nandini and to play a damaged Nandini, you will need saner Manik , simply because you cannot base Nandu's reactions on anyone else coz it's not her world.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Rida - Where is her past. Happy sorted Ams, she has happy memories of her family. Except that night she has no dark spot to base her life on. They kept it clean for a reason coz it's easier to play her against Manik then. The contrast sells and is easy to show.
To sell the show she is the moral compass but they humanize it by dropping the nuances that we want to be explored,which makes her a kick-ass heroine.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: charminggenie

Rida - Where is her past. Happy sorted Ams, she has happy memories of her family. Except that night she has no dark spot to base her life on. They kept it clean for a reason coz it's easier to play her against Manik then. The contrast sells and is easy to show.


When am i asking for a dark past? When am i asking for tears, and depression and family history? What I'm asking for is conflict on individual bases even if ambiguous.
What I'm asking for is questions and curiosity, for something that's about her, and not Manik. This is one crazy imbalance we're talking about.

And you yourself said it. They kept her cleaner, more like an easy way out, she's more about 'how she affects Manik' in the show.
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Posted: 10 years ago
I don't want Manik to change to white. That will be cliche and unreal and just plain simple wrong.
She fell in love with the grey Manik because he was capable of being good and because he was.

And some learning curves are his own. Some past burdens that I don't want Nandini to be the one to free him of. I want him to revisit them even if they hurt, and do it deliberately, and emerge out of them himself, BUT FOR HER. That is balance and beauty in my opinion.

So cos Genie Ma's hope always wins, I'm hoping that this track is about enabling Manik finally and freeing him of his burdens so he can be the man Nandu oh so badly deserves.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: MaybeSomeday...


When am i asking for a dark past? When am i asking for tears, and depression and family history? What I'm asking for is conflict on individual bases even if ambiguous.
What I'm asking for is questions and curiosity, for something that's about her, and not Manik. This is one crazy imbalance we're talking about.

And you yourself said it. They kept her cleaner, more like an easy way out, she's more about 'how she affects Manik' in the show.


But how do you develop questions and curiosity about her behavior when you have audience torn about Manik's dilemma all the time. This is why she is made to be the cleaner one. While us few would love two of them all confused and curious , visually you cannot sell it. Thats constraints of the medium,
How do you solve all the questions if at all they are raised about Nandini. You will need to base them on tangibles like people do with Manik and his relationship with fab5 or his own mother.

People will understand Manik killing for love , coz of his reactions to Harshad during Cabir but they won't get Nandini's maybe because we never saw it playing . How do you do that and base it away from Manik.

If you don't want her past , you are making her story subjective which won't ever connect .

Crazy imbalance is when you make it Manik's world. But why do shows go there because one focal point is needed to base the story around for a desi daily show. Male lead coz it sells. And why I applaud them for Nandini is that she doesn't enable or yet somehow ends up being real because of her edges which are shown and left at it .
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: charminggenie


But how do you develop questions and curiosity about her behavior when you have audience torn about Manik's dilemma all the time. This is why she is made to be the cleaner one. While us few would love two of them all confused and curious , visually you cannot sell it. Thats constraints of the medium,


^^ This is it. Sab kuch uthake Manik pe daaldiya, how are people supposed to get engrossed in Nandini's character? What is that character but one to just be the impact in Manik's life? Hataado Manik ko equation se. What do we have on the plate here? A lot of people cannot connect to Nandini at times, and there's a reason for that. And that is not true. In fact every good book I've read, both the protagonists had so many issues of their own and that is what was so engaging about it. Handled perfectly, we can have such a beautiful balance.

If Manik's conflicted about true love then make nandini's conflict about her inability to come to music with the same passion and her doubts as a student. She's 17 right? I'm 18 and God knows i've my set of conflicts about my future and my studies and so many things and communication helps.
Where she'll help with his conflict, he'll enable in her the will to seek and find and let go of that fear, and himself learn so many things. That's just an example.

A good story is all about internal conflicts. External conflicts hardly ever provide that level of depth. If you're giving us Manik's back to back then let the ratio be 50:20 rather than 50:3


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Posted: 10 years ago
@Rida - Your answer had the reason. You read it as book which leaves scope for character development because there is no limit. While tv doesn't work like that. It is sold instantaneously , daily . Whereas book is written and then sold. Market, product differs hence the constraints. Which is why having two damaged souls running parallel is not possible for a daily audience because they need a moral compass to justify the grey character.
Here is something I tell you which is subjective about Nandini , she never gives up on people. We saw it happening with DHruv, Navya and now when she does that with Manik, people go oh why is she always running behind him. Why is she so needy? Do you notice how she is perceived. Because she is the moral compass she will forever be judged and because she is the narrator we will always be at odds with her character as our sympathies with the protagonist increases.

If you wanted her struggles then that would have been established in the first 67 episodes but those were needed to define his world. Justify him. We couldn't have run it with Nandini's struggles because she was shown to be his star , the one who brought perspective in his world.

They can only to to Nandini once they are done with Manik.
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Posted: 10 years ago
For her music- they are dropping giant red flags.- she told Manik that he is the better performer , today too Pandit told her that she could be the star. Thats the future track post concert.Like I said we need to move away from manik's conflicts to explore her.
She has always been sold as someone aimlessly about her by CouponDropDown" style="border: none !important; display: inline-block !important; text-indent: 0px !important; float: none !important; font-weight: bold !important; height: auto !important; margin: 0px !important; min-height: 0px !important; min-width: 0px !important; padding: 0px !important; text-transform: uppercase !important; text-decoration: underline !important; vertical-align: baseline !important; width: auto !important; background: transparent !important;">career, we are frustrated coz we want development there but it won't make sense because at this point nobody on the show is bothered about it and it will need an adult, guiding force. While they are selling it as Manik and Nandini be mutual precursor for all sorts of growth. Thats the story's trope. So if at all Nandini is made passionate aobut her music and career , the fire will be from Manik. Just like he gave her during the Musicana audition time. So again her reaction will be dependent on Manik.

If you don't want an external conflcit for Nandini which impacts her then you would need to base her intenral one on something like they do with Manik , Nyo is the external source for his internal conflict.

With Nandini apart from her education you don't have conflicts which can be tangibly justified. Yes they are less in number coz they covered her basics right.

When she said she felt the accident night came crashing on her during Musicana , while it was sad, we could never understand the depth coz we were busy reacting through Manik. That fear was mentioned again during amputation, NYE and now finally is getting resolved with this concert. It's as much as her conflict too as it is made out to be Manik.
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