The mind vs the Heart! - Thread - I need You! (Day 17); pg 28 - Page 8

Originally posted by: twinkle10

Lovely post yourself! Especially loved the bits that I've highlighted in red. Hell yes! She definitely knows him better than he knows himself and that vinegar scene said it all. Plus did you notice the pain in her eyes after she came out of the bathroom after throwing up? Everyone thought it was because of the vinegar, but only we know the real reason. She was in pain because her love was going out of the way inflict more pain on himself. And to some extent, she knew it was because of her. But I'm more than confident that moments like this will only make her stronger in fulfilling her goal, her dream. The dream of seeing him smile once again and be bound to each other by the knot of forever togetherness.

Absolutely correct when you say that the heart won once again yesterday. And as more days will go by, it will become more difficult for my Majnu Manik to battle and try to ignore the heart!

Originally posted by: anotheranfan

Thanks :) you know nandini is a person who doesn't like to hurt people, intentionally and unintentionally.. And here is maanik... her one true love.. She has hurt him deeply unintentionally.. whatever might be reason (and if i was in her place i would have done exact same thing :) which just shows how true to the character her statement in the court was).. She easily believes in people, and yes maanik did have tendency to loose his calm when it came to people he loves.. Remember when harshad was behind Cabir she was telling maanik that i will call him and find out where she is..

So seeing maanik inflicting pain intentionally on her as well as himself has got to be hard.. But you know she is the only one who can stand up for and against him.. Against his inner monster and for his good within... She knows that this is small price to pay to get her priceless love back.. It was expected from nandu, who has stood up against principle to take back navya, stood against fab 5 for navya, to not say sorry maanik one more time.. When he challenged her to do something there is not a single bone in her body that can refuse it.. However painful it be..

When maanik watched her start drinking her first glass, he was shocked because he half expected her to back down... He is the one who has lost faith in her isn't it? He tried to cover that up with offering second glass... But she took that in too... When he stopped in between his second glass to watch her determination that's when he must have realized to what extent she is ready to fight... Watching her coughing and ready to throw up that must have led to curse himself hundred times for doing this... But he wont admit it.. He wont show it.. She on the other hand has liberty to show her tears for they can be blamed for pain inflicted on herself but they are really for pain he is inflicting himself on and for the part of himself he is giving away just being monster maanik because he isn't that person anymore... He can never hurt nandini... he is talking about truth being manipulated.. isn't he doing same thing with his own feelings.. When he threw up near his car, and got angry at himself.. Was he angry because nandini drank those two glasses, or was he angry because he felt her pain more than his own? was he angry because she figured out he is suffering along with her even though he pretended otherwise? Was he angry because he couldn't determine exactly which of the above reason to choose...

sorry when i started writing i just went with the flow and didnt even realise when i had started rambling...

Originally posted by: twinkle10

Haha... awww man... thanks so much for the kind words! You know I might have actually eventually given up on this analysis thread in a few days to come but seriously all the support from you and the others and how you take out the time to actually send in such descriptive response is what drives me on! So it all wouldn't have been possible with you

And naah dw... I could relate to and understand everything you were trying to say. As I've said before, many times you express certain thoughts in your response that I often am unable to include in mine.

Okies so let's get this started... So first of all, very rightly said that today, just like yesterday and the days before... the heart again had the upper hand. And welll obviously don't you and I know very well that it will continue to do so in the time to come. His inner strength to bear all this pain himself is all due thanks to the heart, not the mind. It's the heart which gives birth to the emotion of love and nourishes it till the very last breath we breathe. So there's absolutely no way he can hand over his little baby to the vicious mind. The only thing that will change in the days to come is the intensity of how much strength did it take for the heart to win over his mind. And Manan's victory in true sense will be on the day the without thinking twice, Manik would follow his heart and let go of all attachments to his mind.

I absolutely agree with you there. There are just so many struggles that our Manik is going through. His struggle between the mind and the heart is self-explanatory. But then there's also his struggle of keeping his true self hidden behind this mask of his. There's also the struggle of fighting with his emotions whilst seeing her in pain, right in front of her eyes. The struggle of keeping himself away from her. The struggle of denying his love for her. I feel a though he doesn't realize just yet that the more he'll try to push her away, the more she'll succeed in coming closer to him. The more he'll try to wound her, the more pain he'll suffer from himself. The more he'll try to hide himself behind this mask of his, the easier it will be for Nandini to de-mask him. He's forgotten that if he can be stubborn then Nandini is infact the synonym stubbornness itself. In more intense situations, her love for him and her confidence in his love will only deepen as every time he will leave behind some clue that will make Nandini realize that he is mirroring the exact pain onto himself that he's trying to inflict upon her.

Whilst I do appreciate Cavya's and Mukti's concern for Nandini and Manan's relationship, I feel Nandini shouldn't reveal anything to them just yet. It's her fight and to some extent she will now realize that she is his weakness so it's that secret that should perhaps just remain within Manan. Just like she was hiding his secret that he is not a monster? I don't know if I'm making sense but yeh lol

Definitely! Couldn't agree more with you on this. Cavya's duo is primarily only there to make them bump into each other in the corridor or lock them up in a room alone but the rest of this healing process must be performed solely by Nandini. It's her battle to prove that if Manik can die for her, she can go to any extent to bring him back to life.

I'm actually really looking forward to their music rehearsals. Apart from the quarreling scenes we will get to enjoy, it would be interesting to scene what type of music the CV's will come up with to showcase the love story of Manan at this fusion contest!

Okay so I'm so sorry again for the massive phone stuff up and that I couldn't post earlier. It made everything just so damn hard lol Like I've had this post written since morning and saved on my phone and was like dying to get home and post it.

Hope you've been well! :)

Twinkie <3

Originally posted by: maankigeet4ever

I am here...I am here. Oh the struggles of today..lol. Please be warned, this is not coherent in any form or shape.

All praise the lord...their day 1 has finally ended ! but with quite the bang i would say. The ice cream scene was more on that later

I want to actually start with the beginning scene where Fab 2/Navya and Nandu conversation. the world thinks they know him. his best friends think they know him but they don't. yes he is flawed ! but aren't we all flawed in one way or another? but they speak of his shortcomings in a such pessimistic manner that it actually made me sad and ache a little for Manik because these are the people he would give his life for, they really don't deserve my baby . " Manik's anger has no boundaries", his best friend says. Yes it does have boundaries that's why he always had it 'covered'. Even with Harshad, a timer was set.

@bold. You are absolutely right. From a distance Manik seems like a monster. He is such a twisted soul..his past has moulded him such that everyone believes Monster manik exists except for his lady love that is.

Nandini truly sees the best in him that's why her response to M's " you haven't see the worst side of him" is " i want to see the best side of him" Oh the love.

Back to the sweetness of today..I had a feeling that they would both be restless knowing the other is 'suffering' because of the vinegar and i predicted messaging or a phone call at best but the CVs pleasantly surprised me with Manik landing up at Nandini's place. Missed his late night visits. Cheers to the return of them.

Nandini is so confident in his love for her still. She knows that if he hears that she is suffering, he will find a damn way to end, even if he has to go to the other end of the world for it...He will ! in this case, he bought half the ice cream shop for the girl he supposed 'hates' . He and Nyo are so hopelessly delusional..lol. But my damn heart melted into a puddle when he is opening each box telling her the flavours because he wasn't sure what she liked. Oh Manik, why so damn sweet ?

And before she can dig into the ice cream sweetness..she can to find a way to end his pain too. So she tells him the truth. she knows he drank the vinegar too ! You know what my beautiful moment was ? I always have one and today, Manik's look to Nandini's revelation is this 'beautiful moment. @ bold, you described it perfectly, I won't even try to. But there was so much love and pain in one damn look that i couldn't help but love Manik more

His friends claim to know him best when he so easily fooled them with his ' Monster Manik' mask drinking the vinegar like alcohol, given nothing away. . But Nandu knows him best. And she says it: :" Manik and I share a very deep connection" And they prove it time and again.

Oh the agony. It was a knife through my heart when Manik openly and honestly admitted. " It hurts..It hurts to hurt you " ! it was such a bittersweet moment for me because he is hurting but he is also healing.
Someone can only fix a problem when they know what it is. So he tells her ! It hurts, It burns ! and she understands.. She looks on with understanding giving him the space to speak out. She wouldn't even flinch if lashed out in anger even. And she will heal him. Her love will be their balm. She will soothe away all the hurt in his heart until only pure love remains.

@bold. Yes! she tells him: " your smile is beautiful and i want it back" but she wants all of him back..his smiles..his frowns just so she can soothe them away..his anger so she can calm him down. She wants all of him. the lyrics: Cause of me loves all of you...All your perfect imperfections"

Lol..thanks for the shout out. i told you there is no problem that cannot be solved thru communication. And i thank Manan for communicating and Manik for starting the process. Don't worry..i have faith that eventually these two will be able to balance making out and talking..lol.

They played a very apt song for Manan while Manik contently watches his girl eat the ice cream that will end her 'suffering'. You defined that moment as Manik's heaven as it was because with her, everything is just right.

mein tenu samjhawan ki
na tere baajo lagda ji
tu ki jaane pyar mera
mein karaan intezar tera
tu dil tu yun jaan meri

He is nothing without her..his life has no meaning. he has no identity. he has no reason for being. With her, he is Manik, just Manik who can be real, be good, be himself.

Nyo. What do i say about her ? I wouldn't wish a mother like this even on my worst enemy and my baby Manik has her as an excuse of a mother. She is responsible for giving birth to the 'monster' in Manik and she nourishes that monster with sadistic pleasure of giving him misery. Oh the grief. Karma is gonna start paying her back real soon and pairing Manik and Nandini together backfiring is just the start.

This is late and this makes no sense but you will be nice about it cause you love me..lol

With love as always,

Reya aka Your Sunny <3

Originally posted by: twinkle10

Woah! Dude thankyou so much for taking out the time daily to actually breakdown all my essay and then adding in your views and comments! It really means alot to me... seriously thankyou again :)

Everythingn you wrote, just all made perfect sense. Man I absolutely love love, love that scene when he's finding words to express his heart's situation to her. The stuttering, along with his helpless look and his restlessness of knowing that she's in so much pain. It was just all such a magical moment. He didn't know whether to be angry with himself for asking her to drink that glass of vinegar or whether he should be frustrated with her for being so stubborn and agreeing to what he told her to do. At that moment, everything was so much more real than if the mind had accompanied him to nandini's house.

I exceptionally also loved the fact that when he spoke, she quietly just listened and when it was her turn to speak, he didn't say a word either. It just shows the growing understanding between the two when both of them know that no matter how angry they might be each with each other, or how hurt one of them might be by the other... they will always have the right to think about each other's well-being first and all the other things can be postponed to a later stage. I love how she just tore apart his mask when she revealed to him that she knew about the vinegar in his glass. That was the moment he snapped. And he snapped because he knew know matter how much he tried to hurt her, torture her, pain her... she wasn't going to be giving up on him now, soon or ever! He was frustrated because she didn't stand against him in this fight but rather she stood beside him. He stood there with a loss of words to explain his situation because she was driving him utterly crazy in her love! And when she started to eat that ice cream, a sense of relief washed through him because she hadn't struggled or fought or argued with him about not eating the ice cream. She had done simply what he wanted her to do.

That's so true when you say their hearts are mending now. It's definitely going to be a steady and lengthy journey, but as long as they walk together on it... the end result will be fruitful and permanent. At the end of this journey, there never will be any room of darkness in their lives again. Like the fireflies; she;ll shine for him and like the stars; he'll burn for her!

Originally posted by: anotheranfan

Hehe may be we both are in mutual admiration club... I really like your take from mind vs heart perspective on each episode, so love commenting on it and end up writing huge essay instead :) Glad you like it :)

Waiting for episode airing tomorrow :) I would really like to see how they move forward from here :) Just hope they dont end up taking a step back because of any sillyness on either's behalf :)

Originally posted by: anotheranfan

Oh and i think i wrote more about Nandini being star today here :

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/119943803

Originally posted by: maankigeet4ever

You know what ? I was gonna get kinda lazy with this reply but then it would like breaking the analysis spree and i just couldn't have that..lol

And imagine if you had stopped your analysis..then we wouldn't have become friends and what a tragedy that would have been to the world.

@bold, you nailed the struggle porportion you wrote for Manik but i just we will pick up his heart/mind struggle as we go on cause if i expand then this comment will keep running..lol

We are on the same page that way because we want Manan to sort things their way. Of course they can rely on their friends for support. Like Manik use to disucss with Cabir. He never gave the details away per say but he always spoke about the gist of the situation.

And nandu has answered in her own way. While she appreciates the concern of everyone, she rater deal with Manik her way and she knows how to so it's better if everyone else stays out of it.

The fusion concert will be something to see. I have high hopes for it so let's cross our fingers and toes that won't be like Musicana as heartbreakingly beautiful as Musicana was, i rather see a more positive effect on our Manan,

And Holi is coming too !!! Holi is always fun cause someone ends up drunk and a drunk Nandu or Manik would be amazing !

- Reya aka Sunny <3