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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: MaybeSomeday...

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It's funny how I mentioned something very alike on the AT a little time. It's ironical that Nyonika perfectly chose Manik's greyness of character his shady side as the seed of doubt here. She perfectly chose the Monster.

Both Manik and Nandini have definitely come a long long way. Yes the past is still there. For not just Nandini but also Manik. But let's talk about her for now. There was a time when Manik was cruel to her, his atrocities were the only imprints he left on her, she saw him in his extremist element but then she also saw differently. That was the very start of their trust. Storeroom. He exploded. Maine Nahi kiya. Nahi bheje Maine Gunde. he told her that he was capable of anything but that, something that vicious. He showed her a part of him for the first time. His limit. That's the point from where the understanding began and all the fear of Monster Manik faded and in fact it showed in her body language, in her 'mujhe ab tumse darr nahi lagta' roars. And the rishab incident was it. She simply saw through him and knew Monster Manik was like that thin shield around a man, that though covered it all, was completely harmless.

If we actually assume that the past played the biggest hand here, I'll be honestly disappointed and lost. Beause Musicana, the trust between them was quite fragile, Nandini was very vulnerable and Manik hit a very tight spot but that's where the ultimate journey to trust started for both of them. They, each preach of love being trust and their trust strengthened every single step. Also the fact that Manik completely changed for her. He became a total different man, so assuming the past, even though lingering, was the root of it, where will they go from now? Will every little push, that ironically, will only test their trust, push them apart?

However there's one thing about Manik that Nandini always stressed on. His rage. Manik's anger. The reason being lack of control in anger. That's something she'd feared always, not for herself, but for him. She knows Manik's fury is extreme, and it does land him up in big trouble. But more than that it was a moment of perfect manipulation, of epic contributions, of pressure, of emotional conflict. Nandini was never made to think about such things in one moment. And right this moment she was pushed into it, tackled and onto the ground and the bull was right in front of her.
that was just one moment. One messed up, magical, epic moment where words did what nobody could've.
it was all about words.

'Is Manik involved in Soha's MURDER?'
'I'm not sure.'

To Manik it was devastation, it was like a thousand knives plunged in the pit of his stomach.


"There is nothing more heartbreaking than to see the woman you love, the one woman you would do anything to protect, is the woman who is afraid of you.
-Mallika Nawal.

Let's talk about Manik's revisit now. Whereas Nandini let go of his past Manik never did. Since the moment he started opening up to her the slightest reference to their past 'monster' irked him, drove him crazy. He was always disturbed by it, perturbed and afraid. Every moment he liked her more was a moment he feared because he knew a guy like him didn't deserve her, how could he ever deserve her? He knew Dhruv was never bad to Nandini, Dhruv was nice and he was afraid. He was afraid if Nandini ended up liking him more because how could she like a monster over a man like Dhruv? Thus the i don't like it. That past was not so easily forgotten by him.

And then he came a long long way. He who trusted no one, gave it to her, he who softened for no one, did it for her, he who lived a deprived lonely closed up life forever, who never shared his worries with anyone, sliced through his heart, through the bleeding ruptured veins, and showed all of it to her. He stepped out of his mould, awkward, imbalanced, uncomfortable and slowly with her help he found a path, a way, but this new world, he was too new into it. He was too fragile right now. He finally found the courage to let go of his past and love. Accept love, love with all its chances.

and what is love to him? Trust. He accepted it because of her trust in him and his in her.

the moment those words left her mouth.
he was devastated.

Is Manik involved in Soha's murder?
I'm not sure.

Do you trust me Nandini, do you trust the fact that even in rage I wouldn't be driven to murder?
I'm not sure.

It was just a fleeting moment. Just a moment of human emotions and human hesitance and human error. It was the moment his heart came crashing down that's how he sees it.
He definitely went back in the past. The question of murder is not just of trust, its of identity, of morality, of life, of character.
and he's devastated.


Honestly, this track has me on the edge of my seat. Both of them are right, none of them at fault here. The fragility of their trust was not just tested, it was manipulated by a woman who knew the buttons she was pushing. She knew him inside out. She used him against him. She used her against her.

And what will be interesting, is, how they move on from here,introspect, how they mend the loopholes in their relationship. And it'll be one hell of a meaningful journey.

Great post eve. Always freaking love what you write. The manner of your depiction is so beautiful and clear. JUST LOVE whatever you write.

Rida.😳

Rida...such a big fan of your writing. And in all honesty...your response should have been the post here and vice versa 😆!! 🤗...Lemme just be happy that you responded..the elusive weaver of word spells...
I am totally and absolutely loving this track...there are plenty of reasons for that. It's logical progression, the Soha track had to end badly, there was never any doubt about that looking at how powerful the duo was, some damage had to be suffered. Also her insanity had to take its toll.
And about MaNan, nothing external could have ripped them apart, they have learnt to fight their battles together. Any issue, any problem and you will find them comrade in arms, that's the progress their relationship has made since Musicana. But, their Achilles heel is communication, they have still not yet opened up to each other. And I feel somewhere the trust factor is still being developed or built up. As I see it, trust grows gradually, slowly, with every passing incident, with ever passing occurrence, as your experience with you partner grows, so does trust (or mistrust, depending on how they deal with it)...
Yes, Manik trusts Nandini more but still he is not all there. If there were the case the guy wouldn't have had to be roofied to talk about Fab 5 and his scarred past or to simply mention his mom. In his senses, Manik would never have broached such sensitive issues with Nandini, we know that..and the real question is why??? He still has certain reservations, certain secrets no one can be privy to. The day he completely trusts her, is the day he will surrender his past with this mother, father, friends, but yet, he has not allowed her to even peek at his inner demons.
Similarly, Nandini has never confided in him regarding her parents death. The event in her life, that altered everything, that destroyed her life, that hurt her the most, has to even been mentioned by her to Manik. They have develop a rapport where they can discuss anything, but themselves, with each other.
Even the fact, that both individually have realized their love, but neither are ready to acknowledge so in front of the other, says a lot about their relationship too. They will get there, but right now, its a work in progress.
Its not that Nandini doesn't trust him, she does not trust his rage, his fury, his going to the limits of the earth protectiveness. She trusts her guy but is afraid of the out of control explosion that this guy turns into when is wrong passions are ignited.
On the surface, they are a perfect couple. Scratch, they still have a long way to go. Yes, to me it seems they have trust issues, and may be such incidents will teach them what they need to know about their relationship and about each other.
I loved loved what you wrote about Manik...seriously I love this guy, I am obsessed with this character. His progression, his pain have been so beautifully described by you. This will kill him. His trust broken to smithereens, he will be irrevocably shattered. For him this is akin to death...and so I wanna see how she brings him back. How she fixes a man so broken...how does she win his trust back...cause with Manik and his past history...this will not be easy. Manik does not trust easy...actually he never does and when something like this happens...wonder how they will get back to square one??
Like you I am on the edge of my seat too. I love the way they approached this trust issue and now I wanna see how they resolve this. How they two protagonists will find their way out of this maze of trust and faith.
Rida...please keep on writing...its a blessing you should not be denying us...love you and your words to bits...
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Posted: 10 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: eveline


Manik feels hurt and betrayed when she is so quick to jump to the worst conclusions, but isn't that what he has deliberately cultivated ?? Hasn't he always basked in being BAD?? He did say that she makes him want to be good but is that closure enough when at every bend in the road he has gone to great lengths to insure his own worst reputation?? Manik has never made any bones about his lack of scruples, rather has been very in your face about it, so why not understand her sponsored mentality behind her judgments...
The roots run deep here, the rot lies somewhere in the not so distant past...there is a reason behind her repeated lack of trust and the reasons have been provided by Manik Monster Malhotra himself. It's his Karma in Nandini's form...



Do you feel he brought Nandini's decision (not to trust him) on his self?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar

The root cause was evident the moment Manik asked her to say what's in her heart and she said "I'm not sure"


That "I'm not sure" is indicative of a larger problem than just the Soha issue...and it should be a wake up call for both Manik and Nandini...


They are still NOT SURE of a lot of things...there's a reason they still haven't told each other how they feel despite being MORE than obvious in physically demonstrating to each other or through other roundabout ways that they can't live without each other...


Nyo wouldn't have been able to capitalize on this one weakness if it didn't exist...MaNan have not shared enough with each other to truly know each other...they kept jumping from one crisis to the next as the show made them...


There were interludes along the way like New Year's but they didn't really contribute to the needed communication.


Nandu remembered that she needs to be his Shining Star and protect him...but she didn't realize how he perceives trust in ABSOLUTE terms...


She doesn't know about his twisted equation with Nyo fully yet either...the lack of all this communication b/w them...THAT is what that "I'm not sure" was really about.


Yes, too many factors are affecting their equation as of now.
No one can break a couple apart, unless there are already cracks or weak points in the relationship. Nyonika was successful not cause she was strong, she succeeded cause MaNan were weak. She manipulated, but the fact remains, that there was something that she could manipulate, the fact remains that MaNan could not stand up to her.
Their lack of communication, their lack of trust is evident in a zillion small ways and I love the cvs for gradually building up to this track. They were smart and sensitive enough to leave the blanks, so they can be filled at the right time. Love the way they showed a couple, apparently perfect, yet left them incomplete at several levels, so they could deal with them at later dates.
They have their own reservations, their own secrets, that they are unable to share with the other. As you say...the I don't know here...is a major multi issue problem that need to be sorted out asap before they can take their relationship further.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -mehr-



Do you feel he brought Nandini's decision (not to trust him) on his self?

In a way...yes!! Manik's behavior at times was such, that it did not inspire confidence or trust in Nandini. His rage, his fury, his explosive temperament bespook of a man who could lose control in certain circumstances, and the cautious and righteous Nandini, bookmarked those incidents for future reference. Certain events left an undeniable mark on the girl. Manik has several facets to his personality, that Nandini has not yet been exposed to, unfortunately what she has seen has made her wary of him...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: nneeiill

finally some sane post...

totally agree eveline..this is the root cause..she somewhere still has doubts as how he will behave in an aggressive moment. the reason she had the flashback of harshad incident proves it...
if we recollect those days..dint she tried to join fab 5 just to protect manik so that he does not goes overboard..i still remember how she said..if not me ur friend would have been behind the bars...she feared his anger then also..it was unpredictable for her then and it is still the same for her..that fear has not gone..its deep rooted..and when presented with facts coupled with cabir;s words n nyo's reverse psychological talks ..she got legit doubtful be it for a moment...its natural..it can happen..it does no where measure her love for him...she will have to overcome this fear



Exactly...that one flashback for me clinched the deal...the Harshad flashback said it all. Then and even now, although Manik and Fab 5, assured her that no damage would have been done to Harshad...she was unconvinced. In her subconscious she still believes that Manik would have killed Harshad if she had not timely intervened. And the pointer...inspite of their relationship, their growth, all the time spent together...she is still at the same place. When questioned whether he could have done it...this was the place she revisited...meaning she has not really moved on from certain past traumatic incidents. She still believes with all her heart and mind that Manik in his fury was capable of murder. And that is what all the honesty was all about. She might not want to face it, or say it aloud, but its embedded in her consciousness, unawares (maybe).
As I see it the fear was already there, the doubts and hesitations were all there...if not, why bother to ask Cabir, why ask his opinion at all, why broach this subject with his best friend. And Nyonika didn't have to go to any lengths to convince her, she hardly had to make an effort. to my ears all her arguments that Manik cannot do this...gradually and slowly were sounding hollow. It was more like she was trying to convince herself of the same.
What happened...had to...looking at what was brewing and all the under currents...this had to explode. Her answer, her reactions were perfect under the circumstances and so was Manik's life shattering pain!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: eveline

In a way...yes!! Manik's behavior at times was such, that it did not inspire confidence or trust in Nandini. His rage, his fury, his explosive temperament bespook of a man who could lose control in certain circumstances, and the cautious and righteous Nandini, bookmarked those incidents for future reference. Certain events left an undeniable mark on the girl. Manik has several facets to his personality, that Nandini has not yet been exposed to, unfortunately what she has seen has made her wary of him...



I am going to stick to being on fence for this one (and trust me it hurts the most being on top of the fence 😆). To certain degree, I am at par with you, that Manik has brought her decision of not trusting him on him self, but then what about the times he stood next to her, supported her and protected her, why aren't those images going through her mind when she's making such decisions.

As the saying goes the glass is neither half full or empty, it's just right!

Edited by -mehr- - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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1stly i would say.a greatt post,u write very beautifully,loved it... i too agreee that the root of her saying so,is their traumatic past...
but still i would go on Manik's side on this matter. If i would have been in manik's place,then i would have been devastated.. nandini's going with her belief,her honesty has devastated manik. yes manik has tortured her in early days,but he is the same man who
a) left the album,fab5's dream in midway just to protect her
b) in the jungle sequence,harshad chose the guitar whereas he was the one who risked his life to save her
c) manik during musicana also,for saving rishab,he didnt perform

there are many things which manik did for her,i know nandini is thinking that as manik loves her so much,he will lost control in his anger,but i would just say,that she shouldnt have showed her fragile trust in front of magistrate..
if honesty case is considered,i would just say as the saying goes "a lie is not a lie if its for something good"
i remember she lied to the docs when cabir was to be admitted to the hospital,so why not now,when manik's life depends on it. i also remember during musicana,cabir thought that nandini has leaked his secret,and manik in that devastating state also,told cabir that nandini has not leaked it. though when he comfronted nandini,he asked her whether she in her stupidness leaked out.
nandini could have done the same thing,she could have asked him afterwards,but in front of the law,she created a big mess. nandini for the 1st time i would say its UR FAULT ONLY,NOT MANIK's BCOZ U CHOSE THE MONSTROUS SIDE OF MANIK INSTEAD OF HIS GOOD SIDE
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sue101

Ok i will be kind ..yaar eve 😆🤗

so you wrote so much to say why nandu had to say what she said, and the reason being manik himself

so now tell be,'
- why the next moment she had to change her views and beg the judge saying she was wrong and manik is not involved
- why did she run behind the jeep, where manik was handcuffed and taken
- why did she cry to navya saying that she did something wrong?

so she feels what she did was wrong right?😆

ps : btw your other topic was so nice to read because fully it was manik's pain and you smart girl one topic supporting manik and other supporting nandu wah wah girl u be the queen ⭐️

Hey Sue...I am a MaNan lover...shipper...addict..call me whatever!! And MaNan is Manik and Nandini both...as u know!!😆
You cannot be a fan of a love story unless you have the ability to love them both equally. I don't believe in taking sides or blaming one or defending the other...I look at the situation and try to analyze impartially what is happening in the story and try and understand both. They are two different individuals, two unique characters and so are going to feel, act, react, think differently and that is where the beauty of a love story lies I think. The story where two become one. I feel for him, and I think for her. I defend one, I stand up for the other. If I cry with one, I lend my shoulder to the other too cause I love them both. I felt Manik's pain, and I suffered Nandini's dilemma. I was devastated when his faith broke and I felt helpless when she couldn't wipe his tears.
About your questions, they have already been beautifully answered...I am late as usual 😆...and I will always be on both their sides...fighting them, defending them, supporting them...they are after all my MaNan...( I might be a teeny bit partial to Manik cause I am like him in real life...I understand him..he is me..😃.but that doesn't mean I will ever leave my Nandu's side)
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: pia.raha

1stly i would say.a greatt post,u write very beautifully,loved it... i too agreee that the root of her saying so,is their traumatic past...

but still i would go on Manik's side on this matter. If i would have been in manik's place,then i would have been devastated.. nandini's going with her belief,her honesty has devastated manik. yes manik has tortured her in early days,but he is the same man who
a) left the album,fab5's dream in midway just to protect her
b) in the jungle sequence,harshad chose the guitar whereas he was the one who risked his life to save her
c) manik during musicana also,for saving rishab,he didnt perform

there are many things which manik did for her,i know nandini is thinking that as manik loves her so much,he will lost control in his anger,but i would just say,that she shouldnt have showed her fragile trust in front of magistrate..
if honesty case is considered,i would just say as the saying goes "a lie is not a lie if its for something good"
i remember she lied to the docs when cabir was to be admitted to the hospital,so why not now,when manik's life depends on it. i also remember during musicana,cabir thought that nandini has leaked his secret,and manik in that devastating state also,told cabir that nandini has not leaked it. though when he comfronted nandini,he asked her whether she in her stupidness leaked out.
nandini could have done the same thing,she could have asked him afterwards,but in front of the law,she created a big mess. nandini for the 1st time i would say its UR FAULT ONLY,NOT MANIK's BCOZ U CHOSE THE MONSTROUS SIDE OF MANIK INSTEAD OF HIS GOOD SIDE

I understand your feelings for Manik...my heart bleeds for him..i feel his devastation...his broken trust...his utter isolation...I feel it all...but just have to say one thing...I am not playing the blame game here or taking sides...they both are right in their own ways...they both are unique...they look at things differently...they feel and think different...coming from varied backgrounds...they have been shaped by differing circumstances. Sorry to give a wrong impression, I am not taking sides and never will...just trying to understand the reasons behind an event.
Nandini has hurt him beyond the boundaries of pain...Manik is shattered and how I feel for him...but this is not about who is at fault...its all circumstantial...was just delving into the reasons behind what happened.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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AND Let's not forget the added frustration of being cockblocked for life when Dhruv sir is popping cherries 😳🤣

Sorry i be trying to give you comic reliefs🤣

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