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Suha you absolutely have to unres I really want to know what you think
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Originally posted by: Firebolt

Did you just use citations Doc? Because that's just gold!!!

You've already explained it all so wonderfully what can i possibly add? Manik is so messed up that sometimes we don't even realise how much behind all his bravado. He craves attention, he wants to make every decision, he has problem with authority... He lacks an anchor. Fab5 indulge him, they don't anchor him. It was quite intuitive of Nyonika today,to see that spark between MaNan. The invisible "cord" as Cabir puts it. Somehow he's more "Manik" with Nandini. And it shows. Nandini is his anchor.

I lau you for making this absolute delight of a post. 🤗

Bolts my BAE . Too much kya citations? Adhi said same thing. But I couldn't quote without citations it would be plagiarism.
I really like Maniks character, I love him at a very cortical level. He intrigues me.
I love the he is more " Manik" with Nandu my point eggjactly
It's fabulous that you guys get what I'm trying to say.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Doc!!! You and your post be such love🤗
Nandu functioning as Manik's ego.. the perfect analogy (Any science girl would be proud, Nandu included)

Res for now.. lots to say..
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I forgot to mention this but what an amazing title! Cupid/Psyche.. I don't know how many people got it... Cupid hides from Psyche afraid that she will not like him as he is but Psyche defends him against all and tells them that her lover could never be a monster... In the end they fight for their love and win... The fact that you drew that parallel... *bows*

Woman what are you doing to me? You've aimed your cupid's arrow at me.
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Doc..
love u & ur posts! keep rocking.. 🤗
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Originally posted by: Firebolt

I forgot to mention this but what an amazing title! Cupid/Psyche.. I don't know how many people got it... Cupid hides from Psyche afraid that she will not like him as he is but Psyche defends him against all and tells them that her lover could never be a monster... In the end they fight for their love and win... The fact that you drew that parallel... *bows*

Woman what are you doing to me? You've aimed your cupid's arrow at me.


Bolty Cupid and psyche is my favourite story in mythology.
Thanks for explaining title. This story has been working on mind since she walked away. Was going to draw parallels between story and MaNan but I cantwrite fiction and gave up.
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Originally posted by: 13thwish

Doc!!! You and your post be such love🤗

Nandu functioning as Manik's ego.. the perfect analogy (Any science girl would be proud, Nandu included)

Res for now.. lots to say..

Wishy hugs

Science nerd and proud of it.
Do write I'm sure you'll spin some magical words.
Where is my better half?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I believe every living being on this planet develops it's own coping mechanism to survive life, pain and hurt. it is very involuntary. Like a child might be fearful of dark , either he avoids it and pretends that it doesn't exist or fight and strive to create a flicker of light to face the darkness. This is how Manik and Nandini learnt to face their darkness.

Manik specially took to pretending and zoning out because , he seemed to have spent many nights, wailing, wishing and having his hopes crushed repeatedly to expect any light. Nobody told him to fight or encouraged him , he was just flung around to deal with his issues on his own . Hence he developed his own mechanism, he started masking his emotions, vulnerabilities because if he can zone them out they won't be visible to others to hurt him, he won't have to deal with them. This is why he prefers to be the bad boy, because the good in him gave up on hope. Hoping comes with pain and hurt. He always stared at those stars because they reflected something which he was never meant to have- the light. He envies this light , the will to shine in all the darkness because for some reason he gave up believing that he could illuminate too. He took to working hard and letting his friends shine, protect them because somewhere they reflected some light in his life, he needed to take the blows and appear invincible to them because these kids would become like him , otherwise. He became that guardian , who he never had in his lifetime.

Yes it's the Zidd because he has always trusted himself , his instincts - he cannot let that go because he doesn't know anything else. Nobody has given him the "other perspective" . he was raised by his own struggles and experiences , hence he struggles to read the other POV.

Ego- he hides his vulnerabilities by his ego because there is a deep sense of insecurity. he is a boy who was told to always be perfect. he tries to be one for his friends and for his mask. So there is no margin of a Manik who will break down, be comfortable of acknowledging his mistakes because he never had someone he could do that with . He watches his friends and see them deriving their will from his strength , he thinks they might not be able to handle his break-down , so he puts the mask, because this arrogant, egoistic guy was told that showing or emoting vulnerabilities is a sigh of weakness.

He looks for tangibles in actions and words, because that has been stepping blocks for all his validations. He cares, he will show you. He needs the physical touch to feel his emotions because the intangible, abstract part of emotions were never part of his life. This is why when he see Nandini walking away , he overlooks her care and her gestures. Because to him that is one memory , one vision he has always associated to him being left alone by people he always wanted to be loved from. Therefore he zones out the unconditional care and love Nandu pours in her hug and care.

Love- He struggles with this word, what is it, he doesn't know . He has heard or felt that it is a very coveted prized position that probably is earned after years of knowing each other or which he is so out of his reach. He has no memory , event or person to associate this feelings. This love is different from what he feels with fab5, they are his family - the one he acquired , but where he has to hide his heart's conflicts , hence he cannot share the unconditional with them, because he cares and loves them too much to burden them with his heart's ache.

Nandini- She is anomaly of his life, the "other" to his being. Because her approach to life and conflicts is so contrasting to his. He refuses to acknowledge dark, she embraces it with a smile. She has that light which he thinks he cannot ever be. She taught him that life is not about give and take, there are some emotions , actions and relationships which are above them. Including friendship, so if for Manik compensating for Dhruv's debt was giving up on his love, it was not right. Her punch was to remind him that if he applies this philosophy to intangibles like friendship, love- there will be a collateral damage which will have far reaching conclusions.

He makes mistakes with her, she gives those free advises but he always searches and internalizes her words, actions because that has been his reference point. While she goes for the depth , he looks at the surface. This is the struggle, they both are teaching how life really is and should be lived. He feels that hope with her, the desire of the unconditional because she doesn't label his vulnerabilities as imperfections , that is why she is spotless light, the one to be loved, worshiped and revered. That someone , he always wanted but never thought himself to be worthy to be.

Self-destruction
Nobody has told him to value life. Friendship taught him to put himself on the line if need be but Nandini is teaching him to embrace and live life for himself. Because if he cannot love and appreciate himself, he will never know how he adds value to others life. Why he is so precious to her and others.

For a 19 year old boy he has a lot of hang-ups, understandable , he is at an age where angst is everything, and emotional stunting seems to be convenient and the cool thing. It's easier to run away than to face problems. It's because his circle was so accommodating to his mechanism until Nandini arrived. She is the outsider who has shaken his world , so she becomes the fulcrum of his growing up . She and life in general will make a man out of this boy. Too young, too sheltered right now to have his own realizations. Nandini is the guide to teach him and open his mind to emotions, new experiences and life.

Mukti is like Manik self-destructing , sticks to her opinion , fab5 because changing that will make her vulnerable and she has never been able to handle it well. She needs fab5 as a constant because she despises change , probably she associates that with pain, misery and too hurt. So she prefers to fake it , revel in the misery and struggle to maintain the constant of her life. Because being alone is something she is most fearful about.

Cabir has had his brush with outside world, he had his guide in his mom - who taught him how to lead life with respect . He loved and realized that hiding behind the veil is more suffocating than facing a hostile crowd. He is the one who is more welcomed to outside environment and branches out , which is why he is sorted and realizes that all his friends hide behind facades and that is fab5 stick together because it's easy , comfortable and enabling.



Particularly for Manik , Nandini is the branch to the outside world. She is the push he needs to step outside from his self-percieved dark world.


So this is all I can think right now, Doc. Gotta sort our save the date cards, you reckon we can go out on a date soon?



Edited by charminggenie - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Doc I've so much more to say but I died at the 'Bachhanalian' reference, okay?
Brb.

🤗 for coming up with this analogy. We commoners just say 'Gadha' and get done with it. 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Doc🤗

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I had to go through some articles to understand defence mechanisms and ego. You have explained it beautifully Doc. This is a fab post.👏 You made me search on such things...I love this damn it!!!🤗

Now what I get is that defense mechanisms usually come in play when anxiety and the feeling of all of it 'crumbling down' comes.It is the feeling of all of it failing and shattering that one adopts these mechanisms...to survive and protect themselves, to enclose themselves in a nutshell coz that is where they feel safe. Doesn't this sound ManikMalhotra2.o on our faces?😆 Well that is what he is, isn't it? This is how he escapes situations...and has been doing it for a very long time. Isn't this all related to your yesterday's question to Genie as to how he shunts Fab5 but not her...ever. He has been playing this way coz this is how he feels safe, this is how he overcomes issues and problems, conflicts which need his attention are solved this way only. He in a way runs away from them.

We use defense mechanisms to protect ourselves from feelings of anxiety or guilt, which arise because we feel threatened, or because our id or superego becomes too demanding. ---Saul McLeod

Finally 'EGO' comes in play which I would associate to the denial phase..which is one of the many defense mechanisms. And that is what Manik mainly plays other than acting out.

His refusal to accept the changes, the emotions--whatever they maybe...not only restricted to love--is what makes him act out differently. His ego comes in play and he just simply stops accepting things just coz he doesn't wanna admit to them, come at terms with them. This is typical him...choking himself to a point where he can't be reached by any, shutting himself in a cage of his own ego, his own denial, his own refusal---to his own experiences and reality.

I associate acting out as his other defense process. He simply starts acting out as 'extremes'. (Isn't that what Nandu says?)

Self-injury may also be a form of acting-out, expressing in physical pain what one cannot stand to feel emotionally.---Dr. John Grohol

He takes the path of going to extreme behaviour when there is something he fails to express. Majorly coz of the emotional extremes he has faced in his life coz of the parental neglect or not enough care from their side...he prefers to go the 'BLACK' or 'WHITE' way...no grey in between, is it?

Now Nandu comes in play...she pushes his limits unline Fab5 and Nyonika and touches those nerves...hurts his ego, makes him act out...and then is the balm he needs. She is taking him out of this black hole he is in subconsciously.

She is the one who hurts his ego, he answers abck, fights for it and eventually sheds that veil of ego and his inner softie rises above all---she sees through his vulnerability and tries to mend him.

She is the one who makes him act extremes...makes him o black and tries to act as if she is white but they gradually settle at grey coz there is the middle path they both chose...something neither too loaded for him nor too simple, something which isn;t a burden nor a magic spell...they chose a path on which he can walk bare feet with her.

Thus she is special...she is light...she is fireflies...she is stars...she is his love...which our Gadha doesn't understand.😆

Phew!!! DONE...I hope it matches up to ur level Doc.😉
----Zoha

Edited by zohasad2.0 - 10 years ago

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