Trusting a person and trusting a relationship

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Is there is difference between trusting a person (rather the words he utters) and trusting the relationship one has with him? Manik seems to think there is. When he gets very close to a person he wants them to trust the relationship they have together, enough to disregard his words to the contrary. We saw that in the instance where Dhruv believes him when he said he was responsible for the goons' attack on Nandini and punched him. Manik wasn't angry with Dhruv for punching him but was disappointed with him for taking his words at face value and think that Manik would stoop to such levels. At that time Nandini bought his words too but he didn't give much weight to that then because they hadn't gotten so close although there was always the strong attraction between them.

Once Nandini and he established a relationship, he seemed to expect much more from her. When Nandini believed his harsh but untrue words spoken at the time that he broke up with her, he was hoping in his heart that she will see through his lies and stop him from damaging the relationship which was still in its very nascent stage. He was hoping that she would trust their relationship enough to disregard his words. When she was begging him to say something which would dispel her doubts about him, he even made a half hearted plea to her to stop him but Nandini was so mired in her doubts and grief to catch the pain in his voice when he was asking her that.

So trust (or rather the lack of it) was an issue for both of them. Nandini felt that he should have trusted her enough to have come to her with the Dhruv issue so that they could have dealt with it together rather than unilaterally taking the decision to dump' her for Dhruv's sake. From her side she felt she trusted him enough to believe his every word. However, Manik's definition of trust was not the same. In his eyes she had failed the trust test when she fell for his words rather than his actions (rushing to meet her at 3.00 am and hugging her tight as though his life depended on it before working up the courage to dump' her the next evening). The contradiction in his actions and the subsequent words went unnoticed till much later when she figured out the puzzle. Only what she managed to unearth was even worse, for it showed that he placed his friendship with Dhruv higher than his feelings for Nandu and was willing to sacrifice her to him without even bothering to check whether she was OK about being gifted away so easily.

So can she trust him again? Would he stand by her against all odds and show that she means the world to him, which she really does? For that he has to admit that he loves her and cannot do without her. So far all he has been harping at was her need to forgive him. Was that the only thing that was bothering him? No. He wanted much more than just forgiveness. He wanted what they had before he threw it all away due to a misplaced sense of sacrifice. That would require much more opening up from his side. So far it was all about what he wanted from her. He wanted her to be his star. He wanted her to promise that he will be in all her prayers. He wanted her to trust him. In all this he has still not said what he will give her in return. Its true that Nandini never asked him anything in return when she promised to give him everything he asked for. Her love was completely unconditional but then the fissure in their relationship which has developed, which is Manik's own making, needs to be bridged by Manik. He needs to set aside his ego and search his heart for the answers to what Nandini means to him. Nandini's decision to leave him is going to push him towards those answers I guess. It is only then can he expect and get her to trust their relationship as much or maybe even more than his words.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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The most beautiful thing that I hv noticed frm all this is his forgiveness. Just as u ment bout the dhruv thing rem how angry he ws that dhruv didnt trust him and even when that goon wala incident he ws so angry with both alya and dhruv bcoz they didnt trust in him.
Bt when nandu didnt trust him he ws disappointed bt he ws nt angry. This shows how much deep he hd gone. what he said ws true when he is with nandu he is just manik and he changes.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Opti

Is there is difference between trusting a person (rather the words he utters) and trusting the relationship one has with him? Manik seems to think there is. When he gets very close to a person he wants them to trust the relationship they have together, enough to disregard his words to the contrary. We saw that in the instance where Dhruv believes him when he said he was responsible for the goons' attack on Nandini and punched him. Manik wasn't angry with Dhruv for punching him but was disappointed with him for taking his words at face value and think that Manik would stoop to such levels. At that time Nandini bought his words too but he didn't give much weight to that then because they hadn't gotten so close although there was always the strong attraction between them.

Once Nandini and he established a relationship, he seemed to expect much more from her. When Nandini believed his harsh but untrue words spoken at the time that he broke up with her, he was hoping in his heart that she will see through his lies and stop him from damaging the relationship which was still in its very nascent stage. He was hoping that she would trust their relationship enough to disregard his words. When she was begging him to say something which would dispel her doubts about him, he even made a half hearted plea to her to stop him but Nandini was so mired in her doubts and grief to catch the pain in his voice when he was asking her that.

So trust (or rather the lack of it) was an issue for both of them. Nandini felt that he should have trusted her enough to have come to her with the Dhruv issue so that they could have dealt with it together rather than unilaterally taking the decision to dump' her for Dhruv's sake. From her side she felt she trusted him enough to believe his every word. However, Manik's definition of trust was not the same. In his eyes she had failed the trust test when she fell for his words rather than his actions (rushing to meet her at 3.00 am and hugging her tight as though his life depended on it before working up the courage to dump' her the next evening). The contradiction in his actions and the subsequent words went unnoticed till much later when she figured out the puzzle. Only what she managed to unearth was even worse, for it showed that he placed his friendship with Dhruv higher than his feelings for Nandu and was willing to sacrifice her to him without even bothering to check whether she was OK about being gifted away so easily.

So can she trust him again? Would he stand by her against all odds and show that she means the world to him, which she really does? For that he has to admit that he loves her and cannot do without her. So far all he has been harping at was her need to forgive him. Was that the only thing that was bothering him? No. He wanted much more than just forgiveness. He wanted what they had before he threw it all away due to a misplaced sense of sacrifice. That would require much more opening up from his side. So far it was all about what he wanted from her. He wanted her to be his star. He wanted her to promise that he will be in all her prayers. He wanted her to trust him. In all this he has still not said what he will give her in return. Its true that Nandini never asked him anything in return when she promised to give him everything he asked for. Her love was completely unconditional but then the fissure in their relationship which has developed, which is Manik's own making, needs to be bridged by Manik. He needs to set aside his ego and search his heart for the answers to what Nandini means to him. Nandini's decision to leave him is going to push him towards those answers I guess. It is only then can he expect and get her to trust their relationship as much or maybe even more than his words.


Exactly! People expect Nandini to take him back once he apologised but he hasnt even realised the damage that has been done or the intensity of his feelings. Manik needs to realise what Nandini means to him, because tomorrow if he is put in a situation like this again( which will happen with Noyonika) he shouldnt let her go from some misguided idea.

This track will make Manik realise the intensity of his feelings for her.
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I completely agree with what u said.. manik hasn't realized what his words and actions has done to Nandini but this will make him realize all that.. trust is a two way thing both of them through all this will trust each other's words more and then only their relationship will become a trusting one
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: apardh_ba

The most beautiful thing that I hv noticed frm all this is his forgiveness. Just as u ment bout the dhruv thing rem how angry he ws that dhruv didnt trust him and even when that goon wala incident he ws so angry with both alya and dhruv bcoz they didnt trust in him.
Bt when nandu didnt trust him he ws disappointed bt he ws nt angry. This shows how much deep he hd gone. what he said ws true when he is with nandu he is just manik and he changes.


His response to Nandini's lack of trust in him is more muted than his reaction to Alya's and Dhruv's lack of trust because there he did not expect them to not trust him. Here he was the one who set about deceiving Nandu into believing that he was taking revenge against her. While he did it for Dhruv, somewhere deep down he was hoping that Nandu will stop him by refusing to buy his revenge plot. the fact that she did not, had left him saddened and yes, disappointed but he could not really be angry with her for he was himself confused as to what he wanted.


I do agree that Manik is more indulgent with Nandu. He cannot stay mad at her for long. He has seen her goodness. He has seen her care. He has seen her deep feelings for him. He knows she is the best thing that ever happened to him. So hope he fights to keep her even if she tries to get away from him. Maybe this time it would a test for him, if he buys her words (of wanting to leave him) over her actions (of continuing to care for him).


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Originally posted by: -FreeSpirit-

I completely agree with what u said.. manik hasn't realized what his words and actions has done to Nandini but this will make him realize all that.. trust is a two way thing both of them through all this will trust each other's words more and then only their relationship will become a trusting one


The problem as I see it is not so much in whether they trust each other's words, which they do. What remains to be seen is whether they trust each other enough to go beyond what is being said because these two seem to keep saying things which they really do not mean. Can they look beyond the words and read each other's thoughts buried in their heads and each other's emotions buried in their hearts? Now that needs implicit and unquestioning trust in each other.
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Exactly! People expect Nandini to take him back once he apologised but he hasnt even realised the damage that has been done or the intensity of his feelings. Manik needs to realise what Nandini means to him, because tomorrow if he is put in a situation like this again( which will happen with Noyonika) he shouldnt let her go from some misguided idea.

This track will make Manik realise the intensity of his feelings for her.



I think both will realise the intensity of their feelings for each other, the fact that they just cant do without each other. I hope Manik does promise a few things from his side instead of only taking all promises from her.
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Originally posted by: Opti


The problem as I see it is not so much in whether they trust each other's words, which they do. What remains to be seen is whether they trust each other enough to go beyond what is being said because these two seem to keep saying things which they really do not mean. Can they look beyond the words and read each other's thoughts buried in their heads and each other's emotions buried in their hearts? Now that needs implicit and unquestioning trust in each other.

I think eventually they will do just that it takes a lot of time to trust someone like that they are still in that phase where they say they trust each other a lot but still they need to build up that trust that unconditional trust which will be built up slowly where they are in different situations. Right now I feel they trust each other based on their instincts but soon they will trust each other's thoughts and feelings
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Agreed!

I personally believe there is no wrong or right..there are only opinions that differ!

I've said it even before that both of them are right in their place.. however Manik really needs to sort his brains!
It kind of amazed me how Manik asked for all the promises & Nandu happily gave it.. He hadn't made any promises himself on the confession night! Neither did Nandu ask for any.. But Manik trusted her promise..so he was happy too.

He broke her heart & her trust immediately the next day but he clearly kept an open end! When she voiced out at first that she doesn't believe his lies, he was hopeful & asked her to stop him but it was too late since her mind had already taken the negative route.. She asked him to prove her doubts wrong & that was enough for Manik to carry on with his revenge drama!

I don't blame either of them..because both had their own reasons.. It's not that Manik did not trust Nandu enough to share Dhruv's secret with her.. it is because he couldn't! He was confused..he was unsure.. Nandini's shaken trust made his action easier.. & even after that in his heart he wished she hadn't believed him! Because where there is love, there is hope! He probably thought that he could move on.. but in actual he couldn't!

Now if Nandini has made a decision for Manik & herself, she's going on the same path as Manik.. that might help her understand Manik's perspective when he had made the decision for both!

Similar to the way Manik & Dhruv's trust was rebuilt! For Manik to understand that Dhruv was right in his place, he had to go through the same.. Dhruv guarded Alya's secret & later he covered up for Manik when he couldn't make it to the intra-college competition.. Manik also accepted that some secrets are best kept hidden when he had one of his own!

It will be interesting to see how Manik will realize his love for Nandini.. he badly needs to because the girl holds him so close to her heart!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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And what is love if it doesn't hurt... 😉
As always you pen so well...

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