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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: lostmymusic.



Tu mere bakhye udhaad 🤣 But I did say in my original post, my head is messed up so Imma continue with it 😎 Nothing beats a good discussion, right?

Okay, what you say makes sense. And giving benefit of doubt to anything just ends the discussion so I am not going there. But still, I can not and will not stand by his line. Manik is a man of extremes, no doubt about that. He has shown his extremes to Nandini since the beginning. But what marked a change in him, which Nandini brought, was that when the high moment of his extreme got over he realized what he has done. In the fit of his extreme anger, he did or said something but then he realized it was wrong and then his next action would be say the same thing a bit more rationally. It's not something in my imagination, he has done that. So why is that sensitivity gone now? Yeah, dancing with happiness and showing Nandini that happiness..telling her that she can't always do as she pleases, it was all right and justified and i loved it. Nandini has been acting hot again, cold again, with him and it's enough to rattle anyone's brains and ye tou phir bhi Baba hai. I have a slight issue with the way he's thinking of her in this whole business. Like she's a puzzle that he has to solve. A mystery he has to crack. There's no "she" in his head..it's all "him" there.

I know very well that tomorrow I'll be eating my words and Manik will turn things around for sure and I'd be gushing and fangirling like a crazy person. And I'd be doing it shamelessly. But aaj, abhi, in this moment..my reactions are these and I stand by these reactions 100%. Not something that I liked.

Lol, I did misinterpret it but then again, koi wali nahin insaan hi hoon 😆 Perspectives differ..


@Bold Bass...all that I needed to hear! 🤣 🤣

My mom says that debates are like lemon-squeezing. After a point of time, nothing comes out and bitterness is the only thing that's left.

I heard 'lemon-squeezing' and my brains stopped functioning. I rest my case here.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: lostmymusic.



You be always welcome to bug me..I love this kind of being bugged 😳

At this point, even I am a Manik in terms of Nandini. I want to get inside her head to know what exactly she wants because as you said, even she doesn't know what she wants. But I am going to make a guess here and say she wants a sincere apology.

Yes, Manik apologized. But for the sake of the argument which I want to say, let's compare his this apology to his "I promise I'll never hurt you again" wali apology. I loved Manik's room full of numerous sorry cards apology. Because it was sincere. An apology isn't just saying sorry, it's acknowledging one's mistakes and vowing not to do that again. That's what I consider a true apology. Manik only sincerely apologized once i.e. the card wali apology. Uske baad it has been him stubbornly asking him to accept that apology. Nandini doesn't even know what he's apologizing for, how can she forgive him? Manik said that all the sorrys he wrote are nothing compared to the tears she cried because of him. Beautiful, beautiful words to say. Words that really did touch Nandini. Here he was, accepting his mistake and saying sorry for it. But she had every right to not melt at that apology. As he said, the sorrys were nothing. When Manik had apologized after he had harshly grabbed Nandini, he apologized because he saw the physical marks of his behavior on her arms that made him realize and do a backstep ke shit, my reactions are capable of hurting her like this. Ab I won't react like that again. That thought is nowhere to be found in his current apologies.

I know it all comes down to their fundamental, basic stubborn streak of their characters. It makes them and I love that! And you are right, communication is the only way of sorting this issue out. But the thing is ke it's Manik's turn this time to head on confront and confront in a way where he considers her. I have no issues against his kidnapping Nandini, by God that is such a Manik thing to do that I enjoyed it all. My issue is his thought process behind his actions. Karna hai, karna hai, karna hai. He wants to know what is in her head which is stopping her but he doesn't want to know that by her mouth. He isn't pushing the buttons which would make her say her issues to him clearly. He is using his own twisted methods to find out things about her, without considering her which is what's pissing her off in the first place.

Okay, me got carried away. I am not exactly blaming Manik here because blame ki baat hi nahin hai..it's just i am not liking the way this thing is being dragged and treated. The MaNan which were always so high on communication..ab they are forgetting how to talk? Manik could see her expression, hold her chin to face him and ask ever so gently, "Hua kya hai?" and that would be enough for Nandini to want to spill her heart's secrets to him...why is he forgetting that?

(mera head is really massed up)


Agreed the sincerest apology is the 1st start , i don't think that is what she wants truly. She wants his love - that is what will make it all good for her. He took away her faith in love and he has to restore it by giving her this unconditional , eternal love. No matter what he does , the sorry will sound just about meaningless because it is not enough.

She is hurt because it was easy for him to give up on what she was sure was love. Hence the assurance is what she craves from him.

The early sorry was because she knew the reasons behind his mistake, she could understand his state of mind, his anger , fear all was clear to her. But now , here it isn't. He is saying sorry but he could never tell her why he step back or voice out what exactly he feels for her. Nandini is also clueless about what he is feeling in terms of these emotions. But at the same time she doesn't want to hear it, like Cabir she is running away. Because she knows if he says , then the feeling of his overwhelming love will consume her and she is scared of it.

The difference between his then sorry and now is that, Nandini doesn't understand what Manik has been through.

With him it is different, his these sorrys are not meant to make it all ok but more like getting a step in her world. He knows he made mistakes and that is all he is apologizing. He couldn't have been sincere with his apologies and be like before where he promised never to hurt her because of his own guilt. No matter what , he would not have know how to share , express and communicate his heart's pain, confusion with her till he was sure of his mate.

He asked her the right questions and she lied. He asked why she worries for him, why she puts herself in danger for him...and all that they feel when they are close- she lied. Yes he told her to try walking away -Ass move but nobody knows better than him that it is difficult and impossible to move away from what they feel and denying the pull will be a lie.
Also his sorry was trying to grasp that 1st step towards their communication , which she is shutting down.


Yes you are right they are not communicating but how can they when they both have went through a lie where everything they shared was questioned. They are both right and wrong as individuals.But as a couple they are away, it is normal, sometimes the communication gap will happen. Here is when one of the two will have to take extreme steps and make the first step towards communication.


he cannot ask her point blank what is wrong with her and to tell him because she is asking him to figure it out himself. And he cannot , till he have her with him , shouting , pushing and being angry at him. This is their recovery towards that communication.

this have changed, that Manik and Nandini never were conflicted with real problems . But now their differences in nature , processing will open up more because now they will need to adjust , rational and come to the middle point.

People need to work on communication and this is Manik's way of trying to get her talking.

I don't think he is taking her as a person for granted, he is aware of her pain but he is not sure what she wants and what she has lost. He is goading her to speak up , lash out with her feelings because atleast that will give him some fodder to work with.

Nandini is avoiding it , running away from this communication .

Oh He said , he needs answers , he wants to know why she is not accepting his apology and why she is not able to forgive him. He wants to know all that. He has not got her to force his apology on her but to have her tell him what and where she is confused, lost about them.


Just so you know , i have no idea what I wrote, that messed up . 😆


Edited by charminggenie - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: annboleyn

Mais I have genuine concerns about myself. I'm on call today and all I'm thinking is " I have to unres in mais post" . Work seems to be getting in the way of MaNan time,someone please give me perspective..

BI,genie,wish and shells have written eloquently and I don't have time or words to put down my thoughts. All I'm going to say is the way I see it both have them have gone too far ahead,there is no turning back from here. It's just a question of dealing with individual idiosyncrasies and insecurities in order to try and make this work. The method is neither going to be logical nor foolproof but it will be honest and organic. I've done it as well,the moment I felt my partner was distancing himself from me and the reason seemed incoherent,I've used means maybe foul to understand the workings of his warped mind. It doesn't make me manipulative it just makes me someone who has a lot to lose. But the core of the matter is that they both are in it...cheesy but true.." All is fair in love " I don't believe in war.
I'm typing from ICU loo,don't know if that made sense...but gotta go.



Doc, that is how I see it too. Manik is fighting for his love, and he is using the method which he only knows. He has seen how much Nandini put herself in danger for him in saving him from Harshad and the darkness. He has seen how much she gets worried for him. He knows her, her eyes betray her every thought and that is driving him insane: she is not honest with herself. And that is why Manik said "you think you can walk in and walk out whenever you want" meaning you show you care but when I ask for forgiveness you run away. She doesn't want to have that "talk" with him, yes Manik messed it up, he knows, he has crushed her but he will find out today why Nandini is running.


Edited by diva82 - 10 years ago

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