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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: matreyee

Yes the fact that he feels sorry for rishab only becoz he suffers from the same problem as dhruv bugs me , the idea which any viewer will get seeing this is that had rishab suffered from any other fatal disease it would have been irrelevant for manik...here is guy who enjoys seeing a child drowning right in front of his eyes .

Firstly , it's not just Manik but the entire fab5 , Dhruv was present when Shahid was about t5o jump, he was with the group in all the planning over the years. Yet his sympathy lies only with Nandini - but we don't call him a monster like Manik, because a part of us feel sympathetic towards his disease and because he doesn't speak much. Manik is the smokescreen of fab5 . I don't think, it buzzed through their head that Rishab would drown in the pool, was it even any deep? I feel he would have been sympathetic of Rishab regardless because when he saw Nandini nurturing RIshab , he saw a bit of himself in her. This changed him, this made him respect Nandu in some ways. He is still the smokescreen and fab5 still revert back to bullying but the change is now people are not afraid of them.

Shahid incident was big which all of fab5 including Dhruv and Manik are responsible. i guess when fab5 start realizing or get mocked at themselves it's then the feeling of bullying and it's imapct will sink in them . For them it was power and a tool, now they will realize just how messed up they were.

.He takes pride in the fact that a particular individual has been driven to commit suicide becoz of his and his gang's doing ...basically his doings r similar to that of a criminal ...the CV'S have failed to show their vision clearly .
Why Manik, why not Dhruv. CV's have been bang on with their vision. They haven't got soft on them. They will probably use Cabir's secret to let fab5 feel the bully.


The old age home incident is another example of this lack of coordination coz he rushes to help an old lady who is having an attack but he feels nothing for a girl who is screaming and crying after being locked away in a bin...Though i do agree with u that the full development has not taken place and the soft corner for rishab is becoz somehow he and nandu have made a place inside manik's heart
Manik understands those fits, his impulsive reaction would always be to help the patient , and hence the old lady with the attack. What they, not just Manik, did to Navya was what they all have been doing for years. They haven't thought enough that bullying could be bad . Till it happens to them, it will always remain hollow.


Manik and fab5 are improving though, their secrets and Nandini has hit them. They have started thinking about emotions, compassion etc but their basic nature as a group remains the same. Just the extent o their cover has decreased. Which will go only when the group is hit with a massive log.

Manik has a soft corner for nandini not just because of Rishab but because she is teaching him courage, new experiences and letting him be his natural self . Biggest thing, he sees the same basic principles in her that he cherishes and values most.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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I would say one saying 'jis tan laage wo tan Jane'. That means when you feel it you get it. Manik has that psyche. Devil in him is still very much there. Angel in him was always there. we as audiences were exposed to mean side of him and then good. you, if I am not wrong, are having issue understanding the transition. see! A heartless person too has heart for a few. He has for Fab5. And now he has for Nqndini too. why? maybe he considers her one of his people now. He gets that language. His own feelings are universe for him. Shahid was no one to him. Rishab at pool side was no one to him at that point. If I remember right, Nandini's tears moved him. It was Nandini who made him humane to Rishab. Hell yes that There's a parallel between Dhruv and Manik. That kinda drew Manik towards Rishab. He feels equipped and connected. There are self centred people in this world. Manik slightly falls in that category. You can call him that but not heartless.
About how he goes all mild after being such ass?? He is always mild on his own people. Nandini is one of them now I guess. He might not be monstrous to a girl with the fireflies. He might go on saving a jar of fireflies. He might have nothing against a nobody but hell lot of torture for somebody.
He has shades. He is still very much flawed but one can not deny the good in him, neither Nandini nor audiences. How he turned all good? He hasn't.
I won't say, above all is something in favor of him. It's how I see him.
Ignore typos if any. I am through phone.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Indian dramas and shows are instant in India ws a character can turn up villain or a hero in a single nano second
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: dhruvika1991

Indian dramas and shows are instant in India ws a character can turn up villain or a hero in a single nano second


Unfortunately here we have 5 villains and here we are understanding their characters. While we met the 5 bullies now we know who these bullies are.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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In initial episodes they have really set up fab5 mems as heartless creature. But if u hv noticed other ppl of the colg also are same. If cabir makes a video by liking it they gave him their support.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: charminggenie


Manik and fab5 are improving though, their secrets and Nandini has hit them. They have started thinking about emotions, compassion etc but their basic nature as a group remains the same. Just the extent o their cover has decreased. Which will go only when the group is hit with a massive log.

Manik has a soft corner for nandini not just because of Rishab but because she is teaching him courage, new experiences and letting him be his natural self . Biggest thing, he sees the same basic principles in her that he cherishes and values most.

Thanks for sharing ur views...your thoughts have definitely made some of my doubts go away..😊.however i still believe that the extent to which the CV'S have shown the evil side of Fab5 is a bit too much...i am not saying that dhruv is any better ...by watching all this happen silently he is equally guilty but still he never initiated any of those acts...in the real world honestly speaking all of the Fab5 members would have been locked away in a prison... my problem lies with the fact that the CV'S kind of went overboard with this bullying business...after seeing such heinous acts it becomes really difficult to c the 'angel' within them...it makes this 'good doer' image difficult for one to accept...indian tv shows unfortunately work on extremes...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@matreyee - they sure did. But something makes me feel that Shahid's incident was incomplete. Fab5 might throw someone in the bin but sending goons seemed to them as a major no. For all of them . Nevertheless , this show is loosely based on it's Korean adaption - BOF which again had level of bullying. Difference here , the cvs are trying to explain these characters individually- not justifying but giving there actions some reason. So that fab5 don't come across as needless pricks but till now it's not justified.
I would wait and see how Cabir's homosexuality is dealt here , I would wait and see when fab5 realize what they have been doing over the years.

I don't think anyone is good here except perhaps Nandu , who is also very real and practical. Harshad justifies his actions by using revenge, Navya might do so by using her love for Harshad . They all have reasons. Even the general crowd around them is culprit . So I guess , considering the age even the Indian law rather than sending them to jail , prefers the remand house or corrective centers. These 5 are not that evil as yet, they can redeem themselves and that is the story of this serial. You would have to trust the cvs to show how maturity and understanding is attained by fab5 about themselves and their actions.

on Dhruv- Actually he is the background guy, the Remus Lupin type .He enjoys their little tricks though, we can see him smirking when they were planning about Harshad and the playfulness when Manik was teasing Navya. Manik is the face of fab5 and that is why he is , who he appears to others- A monster.

Edited by charminggenie - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Nxt_rockstar

I would say one saying 'jis tan laage wo tan Jane'. That means when you feel it you get it. Manik has that psyche. Devil in him is still very much there. Angel in him was always there. we as audiences were exposed to mean side of him and then good. you, if I am not wrong, are having issue understanding the transition. see! A heartless person too has heart for a few. He has for Fab5. And now he has for Nqndini too. why? maybe he considers her one of his people now. He gets that language. His own feelings are universe for him. Shahid was no one to him. Rishab at pool side was no one to him at that point. If I remember right, Nandini's tears moved him. It was Nandini who made him humane to Rishab. Hell yes that There's a parallel between Dhruv and Manik. That kinda drew Manik towards Rishab. He feels equipped and connected. There are self centred people in this world. Manik slightly falls in that category. You can call him that but not heartless.
About how he goes all mild after being such ass?? He is always mild on his own people. Nandini is one of them now I guess. He might not be monstrous to a girl with the fireflies. He might go on saving a jar of fireflies. He might have nothing against a nobody but hell lot of torture for somebody.
He has shades. He is still very much flawed but one can not deny the good in him, neither Nandini nor audiences. How he turned all good? He hasn't.
I won't say, above all is something in favor of him. It's how I see him.
Ignore typos if any. I am through phone.

Your replies is one my fav!!!...the reason for this is coz u have acknowledged that Manik is somewhat self centered ..also u have expressed ur vision about manik very clearly which has made me understand him a little better...u really do have a pretty good understanding about his character ...😊...I do agree that he has a beautiful heart for those he considers his this has been very clearly shown in the show . he can go to any extent to help them and now that he considers nanadu to be one of his 'own' he does the same for her...the thing which bugs me is the extent of his cruelty for other ppl ...ppl who have not done anything wrong...he can comfort dhruv during his attacks at the same time he can laugh at a drowning boy or on a girl who is pleading for her life...this kind of becomes difficult for me to accept...this lack of consistency is something i can't accept..u have explained the reason for this behaviour very well..the fact that he can not relate to these ppl makes him inhuman towards them...but i think the CV'S should not have stretched this bullying act soo far that later the 'angel manik' becomes difficult for one to realate to.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: matreyee

...😊...I do agree that he has a beautiful heart for those he considers his this has been very clearly shown in the show . he can go to any extent to help them and now that he considers nanadu to be one of his 'own' he does the same for her...the thing which bugs me is the extent of his cruelty for other ppl ...ppl who have not done anything wrong...he can comfort dhruv during his attacks at the same time he can laugh at a drowning boy or on a girl who is pleading for her life...this kind of becomes difficult for me to accept...this lack of consistency is something i can't accept..u have explained the reason for this behaviour very well..the fact that he can not relate to these ppl makes him inhuman towards them...but i think the CV'S should not have stretched this bullying act soo far that later the 'angel manik' becomes difficult for one to realate to.


@Matreyee- he is not being converted into angel Manik by cvs. he is still the same Manik, just other than fab5 , Nandu and us know why he is self-centered or the monster. He doesn't trust strangers, scared childhood and all the brokenness around him has made him a cynic. He has no expectations from anyone apart from fab5 and now perhaps Nandu. And that is what we are exploring right now. His "angel " act as you put it is because Nandu has become his person. She is close to him now because of whatever they have shared and the trust that has build between them. This doesn't mean , he has changed, but he is on the path like the rest of fab5.

Like Cabir being homosexual while gets all our sympathizes for the social shunning , it won't take away his bullying means. Or we know Mukti who has a heartbreak and a broken family, that gives a reason for her "girl around town" reputation but doesn't make her right. Similarly, while I feel sympathetic for dhruv about his fits and like his friendship with Nandu , it doesn't eschew him from fab5 actions.

These kids need counselling but since it's a tv show, Nandu is being one to Manik for now , who inturn is using his new found lessons to understand fab5 emotions.
Edited by charminggenie - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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T..i am not saying that dhruv is any better ...by watching all this happen silently he is equally guilty but still he never initiated any of those acts.

Actually like someone pointed out on the forum a few days back, when Navya was put into the dustbin, its Dhruv who handed the guitar string to lock the dustbin. So here he didn't just stand back but actively participated.

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