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Ranger

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Posted: 19 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: nikkii99

he should have opened his mouth and made it clear that he was drunk and didnt know what was happening.

He was drugged, not drunk. But I wonder if anyone is ever going to find that out...

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Veerashree

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Posted: 19 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: nikkii99

hmm Veeru just tell me if im wrong, but all Angad kept saying was, "Kripa mera yakeen karo," he didn;t tell her kis baat ka yakken karo..he should have opened his mouth and made it clear that he was drunk and didnt know what was happening.

hmmm...the same thing ...i think he tried atleast but kripa was in no mood to pay any heed to the poor man ...hmph...sad.

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Veerashree

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Posted: 19 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: dishachoudary
u people spoke my heart i think i dnt have to reply sme things again an again............

josh murder and angad betraying angad both r two different things..............

kripa knows that angad dnt kill josh.........

yes dishoo...angads betrayal and josh's murder are two different things and i just hope kripa does not mix them ...

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Hafsa

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Posted: 19 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: imemyself

i just feel that angad owed and explaination to kripa and he deserved a hearing ..

True, he needed to explain and needed to be heard.

Kripa did ask him the question, but I feel, that Angad was so filled with guilt over what had supposedly transpired between him and Simone that he didn't anser her. Kripa was willing to hear his anser, he just didn't have one for her at the time.

Originally posted by: imemyself

i understand that accepting and forgiving such an act by the one whom u love and trust more than urself is next to impossible ...yet again ..love make the most impossible things possible...

yet assuming that he actually slept with simone ..what angad did was infediliy of body ...but his heart and mind still was full of kripa ...

he is guilty ...no doubt about it but i think its pardonable ...given time...and love ...what do u guys think.

if i was kripa in a way i would have forgiven angad after making him realise that just a moment of weakness is caused serious damage to the one relationship that we cherished. that one act had stained the relationhip that wewowed to keep spotless for a life time. but i would take him back...

i would never let him be punished for a crime he did not commit .

what would u do if u were kripa...

please reply ...even if u agree or disagree

mE

Sure, should that have happened it would have been, like you said, the body and not the heart and mind.

But look at it from Kripa's point of view. She worships the man, she loves him and has vowed to give him not only her heart, but her body as well. Should she not expect the same in return??

Had he indeed slept with Simone, should Kripa not feel betrayed and hurt??

Look at it this way, if Angad were to have found out that Kripa had slept with another man, whouldn't he feel betrayed, hurt, emotionally shattered????

Where is it stated that its o.k for a man to commit such "blunders and mistakes" and to be forgiven.

With all that said, bare in mind that Angad was drugged. Whatever supposedly took place in that hotel room was not concentual. Like Reeps posted previously, it amounts to "date rape" for lack of a better term.

He was not in his usual state of mind, nor did he have the strenght to fend Simone off.

Now with all this said, I feel that if Angad had just told Kripa the truth, which to his credit he was planning to do, he would have been able to explain exactly what had happened on the said night. He would have been able to try and make her understand that he was drunk (obviously not knowing he was drugged).

Kripa, right now, is not in a position to think clearly on this. She doesn't know that Angad was planning to tell all. She thinks he kept it from her, and that along with him supposedly sleeping with Simone was a betrayal. After all, did he not say, I'll never lie to you, and previously he said that there would no longer be secrets between them.

I guess my point after all this is that I can see where Kripa is coming from. It would be axtremely painful to find out that the love of my life....no that the man who was my sole existance, betrayed me in body.

It is not a cut and dry situation of I'll forgive him, because I'm hurt beyond words. I would have to first come to terms with what had happened, to settle my mind before I can think of what step to take next.

But unfortunately in KYPH, this does not happen as Kripa does something rash on Monday.

Angad being drugged is a different case, but any other circumstance:

Infedility, be it of the body, mind or heart is still jut that: Infedility.

Hope all this made some sense.

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Veerashree

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Posted: 19 years ago

#25

hey hafsa
even i understand where kripa is coming from ...as a first reaction even i would thing infedility is infedility ..whether of body or mind ...and i would shut myself off to that person ..

but for me infedility of body alone impairs a relationship ...it can limp its way to life again...but infedility of mind is devastating ..it ruins beyond repair ...tho infedility of mind and body in unision will mean death ...there will be no life in the relationship whatsoever
i was just trying to point out the difference ....
mE

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nikkii99

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Posted: 19 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: Ranger

He was drugged, not drunk. But I wonder if anyone is ever going to find that out...

Yeah he was drugged, but he himself doesn't know that, he thinks he was drunk that night so that is what he would tell Kripa by way of an explanation.

Edited by nikkii99 - 19 years ago

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ritu29

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Posted: 19 years ago

#27

angad doent know him self what had happend to woh bichara changu kya kehta kripa se.........god just cause simone ne esha kaha aur usne maan liya ...god give me a break man ...if prithvi had said to kripa that he slept with her would she even beleive him?????????????? well seeing how dumb she can get she probably will....... god wake up man...... u dont even remember ur self saying "NO" to simone the snake ...now come on u were drugged (sleepign pills i think) not drunk........ and u could have said that simone ji was in her bath robe ...now just think for a while would u have called simone to come to ur room in a bath robe???????????? god ANGAD plz dont become KRIPA ...

well this is just my opinion....

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Edited by ritu29 - 19 years ago

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E Thomas

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Posted: 19 years ago

#28

Hey IMeMyself, Hafsa, :-)

Interesting points, and I think that the difference between the two setups is the question: how can you (if you were the betrayed lover) be able to tell? We think so often as the audience, who knows everything, that we sometimes miss out what the character is seeing. Which is often a much smaller slice of the story.

How would Kripa be able to tell the difference: remember also that FF Simone is also one of AK's "ex", which is a fact that is probably rearing it's ugly head in little KS' head just now. The only difficulty that I personally have is how KS can miss the sincerity that was in AK's eyes before the entire jail situation happened.

IMHO, I think that AK's guilty demeanour is actually going to work against KS giving him any sympathy. He is letting his guilt override his sincerity, and that will confuse KS even further.

I'd think that KS ought to ask herself: if AK died just now, would she regret it for the rest of her life that she and he never got to spend a life together? Somehow our anger at someone that we love is often blown out of proportion against the length of our lives; sometimes, I'm convinced that people allow themselves the luxury of anger because they think that they can always "make up" for it later. But what if there is no later? If she knew that AK were to die, how much importance would she give the act of infidelity?

BTW IMHO, I don't think that KS will provide evidence against AK in court.

-E

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Angad_Diwani

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Posted: 19 years ago

#29

Hiya H! .....
...... u have make some excellent remarks ....

Originally posted by: SRK Addict

Kripa did ask him the question, but I feel, that Angad was so filled with guilt over what had supposedly transpired between him and Simone that he didn't anser her. Kripa was willing to hear his anser, he just didn't have one for her at the time.

U r bang on.... he was just answerless .... had it been some other time , I think Angad would have handled it better .... and come clean in a better way and Made Kripa Understand ...

Originally posted by: SRK Addict

Look at it this way, if Angad were to have found out that Kripa had slept with another man, whouldn't he feel betrayed, hurt, emotionally shattered????

and

Originally posted by: SRK Addict

Where is it stated that its o.k for a man to commit such "blunders and mistakes" and to be forgiven.

hmmm.... although I can c where u r coming frm , would u think me a zombie if I disagreed with u on this one Hafsoo???

Me i kinda feel diff : When things like these happen, I guess that the first question a woman asks her man is : Would u forgive me if I did the same thing ( LIke Nits had said in her friends story in her post).... me I'd like to keep the 2 infidelities different :

Dont get me wrong - its a grave sin in both cases ...yes ... but I'd let a body's infidelty remain secondary to fidelity of the emotions ... Like IMM said ... Angad WAS NOT unfaithful in soul to Kripa ... If I was In Kripa 's Place, unfaithfulness of emotions ( more than the body) would shatter me : For me, a body is a body and it if this temple is descrated ... its bad .... my faith in my man would wobble but it wouldnt break.... dare I say this - I'd even forgive him after finding out how it had transpired.... BUt that doesnt mean I would NOT punish him

But U r 100% rite : Men shouldnt get the carte blanche for making such mistakes and then being forgiven for them ........ BUT on the other hand... Why must Women always react the same way each time they r confronted with such dilemmas : Does his transgression chg the fact that he still loves u insanely? or that he will stand by u when the going gets rough ?? Does ONE small thing UNDO the entire r/ship that u have ??? More appropriately SHOULD U LET IT????

I think NOT .... May be I am being too Liberal here but I feel that Such Instances SHOULD NOT end up sending tremors through ur ENTIRE r/ship---- that shd be able to weather all storms : Whether physical or emotional .....
OK...

U r rite ... men shd not be allowed to get away with their blunders & mistakes .... BUT can we atleast sit down and realise that THEY WILL make mistakes such as these and we shd be PREPARED to deal with them rather than curse & shout our way and destroy our r/ships.... I think if u realise that things like this WILL happen (Life willthrow u curve balls - u deal with them better)

And when u say ....

Originally posted by: SRK Addict

Infedility, be it of the body, mind or heart is still jut that: Infedility.

👏 👏 profound words .... touching words .... their simplicity leaves me wondering that although beautiful, arent we (unfairly perhaps) equating the two
diff kinds of infidelity .... our society does it tooo so I guess we do it also.... BUT really, it is NOT the same thing ........ I'd lose my sanity if 'my man'' was unfaithful to me in mind and heart - I'd feel violated .... I'd feel cheated if he bodily cheated as well... but in my luv for him, I'd be willing to try and overlook his Physical fall from grace and him falling prey to his mortal weakness........ and excuse me for saying this --- but how many men out there DONT FANSTASIZE abt
other women ( like mega models/ bollywood /hollywood babes) when they r with their gurls/women ( both in bed and out of it) .... why is it ok for us to brush this infidelity with a nod of a head?? Isnt this a form of infideltity too?? And If we tolerate this as OK...then isnt it OK to forgive ur man a fall from grace without kicking him out of ur life ....

And finally, At the risk of sounding callous /cold --- I think all women SHOULD expect it as part & parcel of the men in their life.... I call this their propensity to ''self destruct"". It makes them NAY COMPELS them to do these things and if u think NO WAY my man wont do this, he can''t do this to me, I wont tolerate it, Then I Think thats being too simplistic... too naive and denying the ''its eventually gonna happen" clause of life ....
... Hope this makes sense ... and I have notr gone totally ALLY MCBEALish on u .... & sounded totally dysfunctional....

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Hafsa

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Posted: 19 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: Angad_Diwani

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hmmm.... although I can c where u r coming frm , would u think me a zombie if I disagreed with u on this one Hafsoo???

In one word....yes. 😆 😆 Just kidding. I like it that we sometimes disagree, it makes for interesting debate.

Originally posted by: Angad_Diwani

Me i kinda feel diff : When things like these happen, I guess that the first question a woman asks her man is : Would u forgive me if I did the same thing ( LIke Nits had said in her friends story in her post).... me I'd like to keep the 2 infidelities different :

Dont get me wrong - its a grave sin in both cases ...yes ... but I'd let a body's infidelty remain secondary to fidelity of the emotions ... Like IMM said ... Angad WAS NOT unfaithful in soul to Kripa ... If I was In Kripa 's Place, unfaithfulness of emotions ( more than the body) would shatter me : For me, a body is a body and it if this temple is descrated ... its bad .... my faith in my man would wobble but it wouldnt break.... dare I say this - I'd even forgive him after finding out how it had transpired.... BUt that doesnt mean I would NOT punish him

I see your point of view, but like Nitu also said, it took the guy some time before he was able to forgive her and go back to the relationship (if i remember correctly....I stand to be corrected), and thats the point I made as well.

Like I said: "It is not a cut and dry situation of I'll forgive him, because I'm hurt beyond words. I would have to first come to terms with what had happened, to settle my mind before I can think of what step to take next."

I'm not saying I won't forgive him, as we are all human with our fair share of faults. All I'm saying is that it's not a black and white clean cut situation. It would take time to get over this hurt and feeling of betrayal. And after a while, when I feel I'm ready to think about it, I will and in the end true love does win, and I'm sure forgiveness will come.

Originally posted by: Angad_Diwani

But U r 100% rite : Men shouldnt get the carte blanche for making such mistakes and then being forgiven for them ........ BUT on the other hand... Why must Women always react the same way each time they r confronted with such dilemmas : Does his transgression chg the fact that he still loves u insanely? or that he will stand by u when the going gets rough ?? Does ONE small thing UNDO the entire r/ship that u have ??? More appropriately SHOULD U LET IT????

I think NOT .... May be I am being too Liberal here but I feel that Such Instances SHOULD NOT end up sending tremors through ur ENTIRE r/ship---- that shd be able to weather all storms : Whether physical or emotional .....
OK...

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you here. Lets take away the fact that Angad was drugged and drunk. We seem to be talking about men in general.

Maybe I'm being to naive or I'm looking at the world through rose coloured glasses, but I firmly believe that if a man " still loves u insanely" to use your words, there should be no reason for said man to be unfaithful. Beit of the mind or the body. If a man loves tyou to the depths of his soul, why should he want to find the need for said transgression????

Originally posted by: Angad_Diwani

U r rite ... men shd not be allowed to get away with their blunders & mistakes .... BUT can we atleast sit down and realise that THEY WILL make mistakes such as these and we shd be PREPARED to deal with them rather than curse & shout our way and destroy our r/ships.... I think if u realise that things like this WILL happen (Life willthrow u curve balls - u deal with them better)

AND

Originally posted by: Angad_Diwani

And when u say ....

👏 👏 profound words .... touching words .... their simplicity leaves me wondering that although beautiful, arent we (unfairly perhaps) equating the two
diff kinds of infidelity .... our society does it tooo so I guess we do it also.... BUT really, it is NOT the same thing ........ I'd lose my sanity if 'my man'' was unfaithful to me in mind and heart - I'd feel violated .... I'd feel cheated if he bodily cheated as well... but in my luv for him, I'd be willing to try and overlook his Physical fall from grace and him falling prey to his mortal weakness........ and excuse me for saying this --- but how many men out there DONT FANSTASIZE abt
other women ( like mega models/ bollywood /hollywood babes) when they r with their gurls/women ( both in bed and out of it) .... why is it ok for us to brush this infidelity with a nod of a head?? Isnt this a form of infideltity too?? And If we tolerate this as OK...then isnt it OK to forgive ur man a fall from grace without kicking him out of ur life ....

And finally, At the risk of sounding callous /cold --- I think all women SHOULD expect it as part & parcel of the men in their life.... I call this their propensity to ''self destruct"". It makes them NAY COMPELS them to do these things and if u think NO WAY my man wont do this, he can''t do this to me, I wont tolerate it, Then I Think thats being too simplistic... too naive and denying the ''its eventually gonna happen" clause of life ....
... Hope this makes sense ... and I have notr gone totally ALLY MCBEALish on u .... & sounded totally dysfunctional....

Sure, we have to deal with life's curveballs. Me of all people should know about the unexpected problems that life thows at you....and how you deal is also important.

... but I feel it's a very pessimistic outlook to have by saying we should realise that THEY WILL make mistakes such as these....I'm sorry but I don't believe that men come with a built in machanism that says they'll cheat on you, as it's in their nature.

This whole "I'm a guy, I can't help but do the things I do"....it's all rubbish. No man is born with the "propensity to 'self destruct'". If you think like that, then you will never ba able to fully trust your partner, which will cause an all together different set of problems in your relationship. How are you going to be happy with your partner, thinking about whether he's going to cheat on you whenever he is away? Or constantly thinking "Is this the time I find Lipstick on his collar"??

Should he cheat, yes, deal with it in whatever manner is deemed fit. Deal with it like the mature person you are....but that maturity will only come afterwards, bacause at the point of learning of said inferdility, you are shattered....mentally, physically and emotionally. You can't be expected to react civil. You can't be expected not the curse and shout.....as logic and clear thinking is not a factor right then. Those things only come afterward.

I don't seee anything wrong with hoping that your man will remain faithfull. Its better than expecting him to cheat on you at some point in your relationship. If your man can expect faithfulness from you, why can't you expect the same????

And if that makes me naive, then so be it.

Hope this made some sense, because I think I went slightly nuts here.

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