#BeliefInTheCausalNexusIsSuperstition

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"Fear is the main source of superstition, and one of the main sources of cruelty. To conquer fear is the beginning of wisdom"


I had to make a post. The show witnessed its biggest revelation yet...it was meant to be magical and it almost was, until Kaali ruined it all. I am not discussing the actress' acting skills. I have read on how she needs to improve on the forum, and I agree. She was the weak link when Manjiri and Kaali were trying to appear effective. But my question is if we can see it, why can't the makers? Why are they not directing the actress to perform more strongly. Delivery of dialogues need improving...that's all I want from her. Even Rohan has an issue with expressing properly. But all of these can be combated by the director doing his job properly.

Now moving to the real reason why I am making this post.

Kaali lectures about being righteous. So what is the difference between Kalyani and Vishwa? Both are selfish morons who would even kill for their selfish reasons, so why is Kaali only blaming Kalyani? I loved Manjiri's dialogues when she regained her memory and rightly said he is not my husband. Manjiri was never a consistent character, she had a backbone but always fell flat and one of the reason is Kaali, when she forced her to go back to Vishwa pre-leap. But Manjiri had an eye for the truth and spoke for justice but alas the support system was never there for her.

Kaali saw how badly Vishwa treated Manjiri, and yet she wants her back into that hell hole, all because she wants Vishwa to be happy. She does not see the pain and suffering Manjiri will be going through. What kind of daughter does that? She is willing to forgive even murder for Vishwa. He openly tells her the truth in the last minutes of Saturday's episode about the kudli, and yet she will not react because of her obsession with him. I am getting really irritated. Yug rightly said to her that Vishwa has no right to ruin her life for Gauri. Everyone can see that, even Manjiri...so why is Kaali not listening?

I am not referring to her as Kali but rather Kaali, as she considers herself as Kaali. She believes she is a Kaala Teeka, and such individuals have no right to speak about being righteous, because they themselves do not understand the meaning of being right. She only wants to be a good girl for Vishwa. She does not care whose life she ruins in the process. And that is pissing me off. I wanted Manjiri to be more firm and make her choose but alas she didn't. I guess Manjiri knows by now, no point wasting energy on a lost soul.

Had Kaali not ruined the moment, the revelation/regaining of memory scenes were good. Because it showed how much Manjiri had changed staying away from the Jha household and the simple fact that Yug was there to listen to it all made it even better. Yug is the only person who can truly drill sense into Kaali. He tried once with the breaking of the pots and she was pissed at him. But this time, he knows the truth. He understands why she feels obligated to Vishwa and only he can change her. I am 100% he is going to marry Kaali. And maybe until that happens we will have to bear her unholy worshiping of that creep Vishwa.

But I still cannot see the difference between Kalyani and Vishwa, that Kaali seems to think by removing Kalyani life would be wonderful. Vishwa will continue to torment her. He does not care for her. Manjiri has realised just how obsessed Kaali is, no wonder she mentioned it to her along the lines of, he has become more important than our bond. Her answer to that was utter nonsensical.

Relaying this entire post to the initial quote at the beginning of the post...This show has showed us how unhealthy superstitious. But on the other hand they keep trying to make Kaali justify Vishwa's unhealthy superstitious, which makes me wonder, are the makers of the belief that is Vishwa was a lone player without Kalyani or that minion of his, it would be absolutely fine for him to behave in the matter that he was? Vishwa is a man of no substance. I want Manjiri to show him his place ASAP. I do not want her to go weak on her knee as soon she walks into that hell hole because of Kaali. She needs to remember that she has one mission now and that is to make that entire household repent for what they did to Kaali. Even Madhuri is responsible as she happily used to chain Kaali as a form of punishment.

My only saving grace in this show is Manjiri '(the new found woman of stength)' and Yug. I want both of them to show Kaali, Vishwa's real face and unveil that fakeness veil from his face. I want them both to teach Gauri is a good lesson. I am excited to see how Manjiri will react to Gauri.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hey Julie,

Nice to see u back 😳

I COMPLETELY AGREE AND I COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER.

I just feel Kaali as a character is just utterly confused.

She claims to love people that wouldn't waste 2 seconds to destroy her happiness.
Honestly, when she said No, I dont think Im a Kaala Teeka, I was momentarily relieved but she just HAD to ruin it by continuing by blabbering about how she has a duty to protect Gauri.

What duty are you talking about?
The duty that Vishwa has set for? Being a Kaala Teeka?

Gauri doesnt need protecting. All she needs is a wake up call that this world is not hers and Kaali isnt her slave and that she definitely isnt the best.

We as humans start hating people that just abuse us once and she has been beaten, chained and treated like an object and not a human and she still claims that Vishwa is the best of people?

I would have been on her side if only once Vishwa showed his genuine caring side and that wouldve melted Kaali and she would've gotten the fatherly love she desperately needed. But as far as I remember, he only degraded her and always made it clear that she isnt his daughter.
Then I dont understand why is she so on his side?

I swear.
As ive also said in multiple posts, Im really really glad Yug knows. He is not going to back out now and will make sure his Peshi-Maa and Kaali get what they deserve.
Manji is also my last saving grace because now she's strong and she's adamant.

Vishwa needs to know his place and Kaali needs to know where she stands in his life and his true face.

A much needed post!!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Watching yesterdays episode even I dnt knw what to say about 'Kaali' the character. Only saving grace in that episode was Manji and Yug giving W*F expressions whenever she was acting like a devi. Bt even Yug wasn't given much to do in the episode it belonged to Manji the woman, the mother and the human being. Who showed anger and was real. It was very understated by the actress but it was beautiful stated and shown by her. But coming to Kaali I didn't knw who to really blame yesterday was it the actress or the writers bt I think it is both. The cvs have gotten this character so wrong. They wanted to show the extra- ordinary as an ordinary typical female lead character that is on every show. But they forget that unlike other leads kaali has been emotional, physically and mentally tortured. How can u make a person who has gone through that, ordinary and normal especially in the sort of show they have. No offence but whenever these indian shows try to show a Sita type character u know the lead will be a weakling and they are doing the same with Kaali, she got no character beyond the point to mouth out hw to be virtuous whilst she lies every chance she gets. As for her useless Papa he isn't different than kalyani. I hope him instigating his nephew to rape Yugs sister comes out. I think though that Useless Papa will be shown + later on and will change so hence so much faith in his supposed non existed goodness. Coming to the acting I didn't find anything wrong with Simran acting yesterday or for the last few episode. Bt she is taking baby steps to becoming a reasonable ok good actress and she will have to work on her acting to do well. Unfortunately I think she suits the character at her core bt unfortunately I dnt think she is going to be able to bring out the dept of the character at the moment coz she is so inexperienced. She is being directing badly and has a badly written character as well and she isn't naturally gifted to lift the character from the ordinariness of what is written and shown. I think a more experienced actress should have been given the role. I think the actress playing Suhani on star plus would have brought out the depths of the character more coz she is effortless and natural. But Simran is still the most suited for the character bt I just wish she was naturally gifted.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sandiab

Watching yesterdays episode even I dnt knw what to say about 'Kaali' the character. Only saving grace in that episode was Manji and Yug giving W*F expressions whenever she was acting like a devi. Bt even Yug wasn't given much to do in the episode it belonged to Manji the woman, the mother and the human being. Who showed anger and was real. It was very understated by the actress but it was beautiful stated and shown by her. But coming to Kaali I didn't knw who to really blame yesterday was it the actress or the writers bt I think it is both. The cvs have gotten this character so wrong. They wanted to show the extra- ordinary as an ordinary typical female lead character that is on every show. But they forget that unlike other leads kaali has been emotional, physically and mentally tortured. How can u make a person who has gone through that, ordinary and normal especially in the sort of show they have. No offence but whenever these indian shows try to show a Sita type character u know the lead will be a weakling and they are doing the same with Kaali, she got no character beyond the point to mouth out hw to be virtuous whilst she lies every chance she gets. As for her useless Papa he isn't different than kalyani. I hope him instigating his nephew to rape Yugs sister comes out. I think though that Useless Papa will be shown + later on and will change so hence so much faith in his supposed non existed goodness. Coming to the acting I didn't find anything wrong with Simran acting yesterday or for the last few episode. Bt she is taking baby steps to becoming a reasonable ok good actress and she will have to work on her acting to do well. Unfortunately I think she suits the character at her core bt unfortunately I dnt think she is going to be able to bring out the dept of the character at the moment coz she is so inexperienced. She is being directing badly and has a badly written character as well and she isn't naturally gifted to lift the character from the ordinariness of what is written and shown. I think a more experienced actress should have been given the role. I think the actress playing Suhani on star plus would have brought out the depths of the character more coz she is effortless and natural. But Simran is still the most suited for the character bt I just wish she was naturally gifted.


I dont understand why indian tv serials cannot show the leads as being flawed. We all have people that we love unconditionally but the reason for that is because they've done something for us that makes us love them. But we as human beings can also be selfish when it comes to our happiness. Why cant they for once show the leads being selfish; choosing their own happiness instead of someone else's. Sometimes just thinking about themselves?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hey bud!😳

😆 I have been stalking the forum in the last couple of days! Real life has been too hectic!🥱

Dittto, Kali is a confused character indeed. But is she though? 😆 I feel she is a smart ass. She knows what she wants, ie Vishwa to love her, and therefore she is willing to forego all his wrongdoings so her bubble does not get busted. I understand she feels a sense of obligation as he did save her from being murdered from her own parents. However, there was a selfish reason for that and he has never been shy from expressing his true sentiments, so why is she still blind?

And you are right, if he had shown genuine care towards her then we as audiences could understand, but that has never been the case. Manjiri even said she could not believe he blamed a 6 year old for her supposed murder and how she felt disgusted as he disrespected her by not giving Kali her righteous place in the house as a daughter of the house. All of these, are not registering in Kali's head and its irking me like there is no tomorrow.

What is pissing her off, is Kali's double standards. She is putting all the blame on Kalyani. Wah re wah!! Talk about being selective.😆


My fear is Manjiri is going to go back to her old ways of just shedding tears with Yug just being a mere bystander, not being able to do anything because he gets blackmailed by Kali the mahan murti. I hope am wrong though.




Originally posted by: LiveLoveLaugh96

Hey Julie,

Nice to see u back 😳

I COMPLETELY AGREE AND I COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER.

I just feel Kaali as a character is just utterly confused.

She claims to love people that wouldn't waste 2 seconds to destroy her happiness.
Honestly, when she said No, I dont think Im a Kaala Teeka, I was momentarily relieved but she just HAD to ruin it by continuing by blabbering about how she has a duty to protect Gauri.

What duty are you talking about?
The duty that Vishwa has set for? Being a Kaala Teeka?

Gauri doesnt need protecting. All she needs is a wake up call that this world is not hers and Kaali isnt her slave and that she definitely isnt the best.

We as humans start hating people that just abuse us once and she has been beaten, chained and treated like an object and not a human and she still claims that Vishwa is the best of people?

I would have been on her side if only once Vishwa showed his genuine caring side and that wouldve melted Kaali and she would've gotten the fatherly love she desperately needed. But as far as I remember, he only degraded her and always made it clear that she isnt his daughter.
Then I dont understand why is she so on his side?

I swear.
As ive also said in multiple posts, Im really really glad Yug knows. He is not going to back out now and will make sure his Peshi-Maa and Kaali get what they deserve.
Manji is also my last saving grace because now she's strong and she's adamant.

Vishwa needs to know his place and Kaali needs to know where she stands in his life and his true face.

A much needed post!!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: LiveLoveLaugh96


I dont understand why indian tv serials cannot show the leads as being flawed. We all have people that we love unconditionally but the reason for that is because they've done something for us that makes us love them. But we as human beings can also be selfish when it comes to our happiness. Why cant they for once show the leads being selfish; choosing their own happiness instead of someone else's. Sometimes just thinking about themselves?

Kaali is being shown as being selfish but all for the wrong reason. Kaali as a lead character is extremely flawed. She has the qualities of a villain. She is very good at manipulative to fit her own agenda. 😆 But am not happy with her because like I said, she is being selfish for the wrong person. Manjiri was happy to take her and leave for good (Twice now) and both time Kali has chosen to be selfish for her own gain: for Vishwa.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Simran is perfect for the role of Kaali. I am not disputing that but she needs to buckle up because sometimes its off putting.I guess its because Daljeet completely overshadowed her and that is not a good thing for an actor, as no matter how minimal screen space you get, as an actor you ought to make an impact and I felt none from Kaali. And, exactly its the director's fault for not coaching the actors perfectly, as even Rohan and Fenil have been lacking in scenes. And those moments could have been bettered had the director done his or her job at directing.

And lets recall the Friday episode, when 3 characters played with soil and yet none had soil on their face. One was buried alive and yet when she came out she had no soil on her whatsover. Now that is not the actors' fault but the makers for their lack of interest in eliminating such error.

Kaali was much more interesting when she was little. But now her over obsession with Vishwa does nothing but put me off. I would have understood Kaali's stance if something positive had occurred in the household for her, but it hasnt and even Gauri ill treats her and yet she does not care. She showed the audience how highly she positions Vishwa, to the point that even Manjiri comes second and that is sad. As Manjiri has always been there for.


Exactly, Kaali lies at every given opportunity so long as her badke papa remains happy. Therefore she has no right to preach about being righteous. Vishwa is a criminal. Nothing can change that. He is no better than Kalyani. I cannot understand why Kalyani is considered as Raavan whilst Vishwa is considered as a GOD for Kaali. Even Manjiri can see how evil Vishwa is. It saddens me to know that this character (Kaali), who could have been a brilliant character, is going to be completely butchered all because the makers cannot be bothered to pen down proper characters.



Originally posted by: sandiab

Watching yesterdays episode even I dnt knw what to say about 'Kaali' the character. Only saving grace in that episode was Manji and Yug giving W*F expressions whenever she was acting like a devi. Bt even Yug wasn't given much to do in the episode it belonged to Manji the woman, the mother and the human being. Who showed anger and was real. It was very understated by the actress but it was beautiful stated and shown by her. But coming to Kaali I didn't knw who to really blame yesterday was it the actress or the writers bt I think it is both. The cvs have gotten this character so wrong. They wanted to show the extra- ordinary as an ordinary typical female lead character that is on every show. But they forget that unlike other leads kaali has been emotional, physically and mentally tortured. How can u make a person who has gone through that, ordinary and normal especially in the sort of show they have. No offence but whenever these indian shows try to show a Sita type character u know the lead will be a weakling and they are doing the same with Kaali, she got no character beyond the point to mouth out hw to be virtuous whilst she lies every chance she gets. As for her useless Papa he isn't different than kalyani. I hope him instigating his nephew to rape Yugs sister comes out. I think though that Useless Papa will be shown + later on and will change so hence so much faith in his supposed non existed goodness. Coming to the acting I didn't find anything wrong with Simran acting yesterday or for the last few episode. Bt she is taking baby steps to becoming a reasonable ok good actress and she will have to work on her acting to do well. Unfortunately I think she suits the character at her core bt unfortunately I dnt think she is going to be able to bring out the dept of the character at the moment coz she is so inexperienced. She is being directing badly and has a badly written character as well and she isn't naturally gifted to lift the character from the ordinariness of what is written and shown. I think a more experienced actress should have been given the role. I think the actress playing Suhani on star plus would have brought out the depths of the character more coz she is effortless and natural. But Simran is still the most suited for the character bt I just wish she was naturally gifted.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Not quoting because then it becomes too long 😆
I like how u think from every angle. I just go straight 😆

I think she should also blame Gauri and even Madhuri as u said in ur post. If Gauri was the "pampered" child, she could've defended her and made sure she wasnt tortured like this. But as we saw in earlier episodes, she just turned away when Kalyani hit Kaali and when Madhuri put her in chains.

Even the servants pitied her so why couldnt Gauri, when she even considers Kaali her sister?

Gauri could have prevented this. She isnt some "doodh-peeti bachi" that she couldn't stand for her.

Yes, she did give the medical aid required but she never sat but why not prevent it from happening in the first place.

Why does Kaali only blame Kalyani? Fine, dont blame Vishwa. He wasnt even there for 14 years but she also knows that Vishwa wouldnt have stopped Kalyani from torturing her.

Kaali isnt going to only blackmail Manji..she'll also blackmail Yug as we saw in the mock shoot too.

And this is one thing I dont want to see

I hope they change it but yeah, I have no expectations.

Okay, she's flawed when you put it that way 😆

When she has such beautiful motherly love, why does she need love from a man who shows no respect to her?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Kali has really got under my skin with her nonsense. When Yug asked her if she still considered herself a 'Kaala Teeka', she responded with no, but then agreed she was, in the her next breath. She clearly has a twisted cell membrane.

You are absolutely correct. Gauri is an equal party. She continuously turned a blind eye and at times contributed to Kali's so called punishment. That OUGHT not to be overlooked and yet Kali elects to purposely play blind to that fact. WHY? Even before the leap and the charade with Manjiri's death, Manjiri was treated like by shit by Vishwa because she wanted Kali to have an education and an identity of her own. How can Kali forget that and ask her to come back? How can Kali forget how Vishwa forced Manjiri to dress like a widow? If Kali wants to continue living life like a nobody and wants to be tormented then good on her, but why drag Manjiri down to her level? I am glad Manjiri said she will only step feet in that hell hole to tell Vishwa how wrong he has been. Albeit it will not make much of a difference anyhow.

Kali has become accustomed to living life being tormented. That is why she is choosing Vishwa's torture over Manjiri's love. I feel bad for Yug because he has fallen in love without who can never value his existence.
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Originally posted by: _innocent_

^^^

Kali has really got under my skin with her nonsense. When Yug asked her if she still considered herself a 'Kaala Teeka', she responded with no, but then agreed she was, in the her next breath. She clearly has a twisted cell membrane.

You are absolutely correct. Gauri is an equal party. She continuously turned a blind eye and at times contributed to Kali's so called punishment. That OUGHT not to be overlooked and yet Kali elects to purposely play blind to that fact. WHY? Even before the leap and the charade with Manjiri's death, Manjiri was treated like by shit by Vishwa because she wanted Kali to have an education and an identity of her own. How can Kali forget that and ask her to come back? How can Kali forget how Vishwa forced Manjiri to dress like a widow? If Kali wants to continue living life like a nobody and wants to be tormented then good on her, but why drag Manjiri down to her level? I am glad Manjiri said she will only step feet in that hell hole to tell Vishwa how wrong he has been. Albeit it will not make much of a difference anyhow.

Kali has become accustomed to living life being tormented. That is why she is choosing Vishwa's torture over Manjiri's love. I feel bad for Yug because he has fallen in love without who can never value his existence.


Conclusion: No one will be able to help Kaali unless she wants help. Not Manji nor Yug.

Though im still hoping someone reads all this and understands what we want and not go the way we think it will go...
Edited by LiveLoveLaugh96 - 9 years ago

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