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Posted: 18 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: punjabihypnotic

I disagree completely. There was only one time Dev actually showed that he was stressed and that was when he asked Kajal if she really loved him and she expressed her feelings to him. I haven't seen him stressed as much. Now if everyone expects Kajal to read his mind than that's not going to happen.

Everyone sees Aditya as her ex-lover, but did we forget that he is the one that pretty much saved Kajal's life. What if she would've fallen in the hands of some wrong person? Then there would be no Dev and Kajal. As I said before, only doubt causes even an innocent and respectful friendship to be seen as something else. If Kajal and Aditya wanted each other than they would've got married and not Dev and Kajal.

I know plenty of married couples and I will for one say that I don't think Kajal is at fault. If you look at the storyline, when has Dev ever trusted Kajal? He always gets the wrong idea and then later on comes to know the truth and realizes each time that he was an idiot and that Kajal is innocent. Poor Kajal.

As for the video that was portrayed to the media - it would only have been wrong if Dev would have not been okay with everything. He didn't even let Kajal tell him what was right and true. He just said that I trust you. He even said the same thing to Aditya. So why would she not make a video for Dev. Besides Aditya was being a true friend to her by helping her get her feelings out to Dev in the video. Now if Dev views their relationship as wrong then that's Dev's fault and not Kajal's. If Dev knew how to communicate rather than listen to the enemy (Shivansh) then it would be a different story.

"for all men in the world are alike in this matter"... sorry hun, don't agree. I know the Indian mentality is that way - regardless of how westernized or sophisticated someone is...but I've been in the states since I was born and besides non-desi folks, I know plenty of desi guys that agree with me on this as well. Some that have even been through similar stuff.

Some people would find Kajal at fault - even in the real world - but not all men are the same. Hard to believe, yes I know! 😆
Each person handles a relationship different. I know couples that have been through worse and instead of doubting their wives and finding faults in them and blaming them, you know what those couples did? They communicated. Any thoughts, worries, concerns, even the slightest doubts were all laid out on the table. I think the way Dev is handling the situation is very, very childish. You don't just grab someones arm and hurt them just because you have doubts on your partner. Even slight violence or possession is not the answer. She's not his property.

I agree that early days in a marriage are very delicate - but if that love, trust and communication is there, then no matter how strong of a current comes hitting into your relationship, you will come out of it even stronger.



oh i totally agree and might i add...its not like kajal noes tha dev follows her or tha hes seen her..i think the only time was wen they were playing the guitar..and i guess she wants to hide w/e she does becas yes she does want to surprise dev...i mean dev says he trust her but really he doesn't ...but kajal still thinks tha he does trust her but i bet if she knew he didn't she wud stop wat she was doing and try and clear things with him...
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Posted: 18 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: punjabihypnotic


WHEN did I say that Kajal is intelligent? Anyway, I don't feel bad for Dev. Not one bit. He stood at the studio like an idiot and listened to Kajal say 'I love you'. Obviously as the audience we knew she was saying it to Dev, but he didn't. Seriously, if he loved her so much he would've confronted her right there. He would've wanted to set the record straight in front of the guy he is so jealous about.

Dev heard Kaajjal say 'I love you' and he felt that it is being said to Adi. There are reasons if he didn't confront her right at that point. Firstly he was in total shock. Do you think a person would be calm and cool and go and confront his wife, when he sees her saying that she loves somebody? Psychologically, the first reaction would be shock. He didn't go and confront her immediately because first he wanted to sort it out in his mind...if whether she was saying that to Adi or if he was dreaming.😆 There maybe many men who confront their wives, but Dev was in a mood of total shock and he didn't know what to say or do...and he was totally hurt after he realised that Kaajjal was lieing to him. So in his pain...he just thought to go away from there. Maybe he didn't confront her, because, if he confronted her in front of Adi, both Adi and Kaajjal would be very hurt and he didn't want to hurt both of them. He wanted to first sort it out and that is why at night, he confronted Kaajjal and asked her about if she liked it...if another man fell in love with her. The answer which Dev expected was....'Dev, why did you ask such a thing after knowing that i have loved you so much in life...how can you even doubt me?'....But that is not the response he got from Kaajjal and what she said, hurt him even more. He was serious while asking her that, but she was playful while answering him.



True, I agree that Kajal shouldn't have lied about where she is, but than again there's no fun in giving anyone a surprise when they expect it. The best surprise is when they least expect it. Even if Kajal would've said that she is planning a surprise for him, that still takes away from the fun.

She could've said that she is preparing for a surprise for his birthday, just like he mentioned on their wedding day...that he is planning a surprise gift for Kaajjal. Mentioning about a surprise gift...would create suspense as well as happiness in the mind of the person and he/she would eagerly await to know what gift it is. Kaajjal doesn't need to mention what the gift is...but if she had told him so...atleast he wouldn't have been so much insecure and understood that she was preparing for some surprise gift with Adi.😳 But telling a lie to Dev that she is at Shubha Tai's house and saying the same lie to Panna Chachi and then seeing her with Adi made Dev feel insecure and also he felt that she is hiding her meeting with Adi from him.

As for Kajal, I'm sorry, Dev has hurt her no less. He is always hurting her and then once he realizes it - he remembers that her love for him is true.

Dev has hurt her at some points, but there were reasons if he behaved in that manner. He was rash to her at Mussourie, because that was how he was .....after the death of his first wife 'Paayal'. Then he didn't want to get married and it was Kaajjal who was after him all the while, though he tried to clearly tell her that he didn't love her. Dev always wished to see Kaajjal happy and that is why he tried to make her marry Dhruv, so that she gets a happy married life and also because he wanted her to not become the scape-goat of the mahadasha. Is Dev at fault, if what he did was to save Kaajjal's life, whom he loved within?

After that when he acted as Raju Rangeela, his intentions were clearly to collect proof against Ameesha and Karan and that is why he tried to hide his truth of being Dev from her. But finally he had to say it to her, when he felt that Kaajjal was going away from him..when her marriage was getting fixed to him. Dev then had to prove to Kaajjal that he was Raju Rangeela...and he did it very clearly, but even after giving so many proofs, still she acted foolishly and told NT, that Dev was Raju Rangeela...that indirectly led to NT's death. Now was Dev at fault, if because of Kaajjal he lost his mother? That led to Dev behaving so rudely with Kaajjal and he was not in his senses at that time. But when did Dev knowingly hurt Kaajjal?😳

Why would Kajal need to ask Dev why he keeps asking her all types of questions? How much more clear did she need to make herself. An episode or two ago she revealed to Dev how much she loved him, etc. Now if Dev keeps feeling hurt and keeps feeling that he's betrayed then he needs to tell that to Kajal rather than playing mind games with her. How long has he known her now? For a long time and after all they've been through, they both still can't seem to communicate! Everyone expects Kajal to be a mind reader, but she's not. If Dev keeps having mood swings then he should tell her.

Every husband or wife, who is newly-wed would expect his/her partner to express their love to them, more than through words. It could be through gestures, by spending more time with them, by being excited about going out with them and eagerly awaiting for their return if they are away from home. But he didn't find any of these responses from Kaajjal. Dev keeps asking this again and again because he doesn't know if Kaajjal married him due to compulsion from Adi or due to love. He just want to make sure of it and that makes him ask her if she loves him again and again. Because he is feeling that she is not much concerned about him and that is not how a wife behaves with a husband...that too soon after marriage.😳 So a wife should surely try to find out why her husband is acting oddly otherwise...if both husband and wife are inconsiderate towards each other, then there won't be love or care in the marital relationship.

Kaajjal's words are not matching with her actions. She says that she loves him a lot, but she forgets to express her care for him. Merely saying that you love a person doesn't mean you love the person. The person also has to feel the love and care from your behaviour and attitude...which Dev is not feeling and that is why he is asking again and again, if Kaajjal loves him.

Kaajjal is his wife and he loves her a lot, so he doesn't want to hurt her and break relationship with her, by directly pointing a finger at her. He also fears that perhaps it is just his feeling that Kaajjal is cheating on him...and he wants to confirms it, before he confronts her and that is why he is playing all these mind games. He surely hasn't known her for long. He has spend only very less time with her as a boss...then as a lover and after her marriage...just that first night. So he hasn't got much time to spend with her, even though he loves her a lot and feels that she too loves him.

I don't expect Kaajjal to be a mind-reader, but every wife..specially Indian wives would surely get worried, if they find their husbands behaving rudely. She should confront him about why the change in his behaviour...when it is so evident that he is hurt about something, rather than being naughty and playful with him. Dev is having moodswings and that is why he is asking her again and again to completely clear his mind of the doubt, that is creeping into his mind. He surely did ask her but her reply was in a naughty manner and he did try to tell her that his mind is having strange thoughts but at that time, she had gone to sleep. He even had tears in his eyes, and blamed each time he doubted her. He is a genuine husband, and therefore he expects the same genuinity from his wife and he is a very caring husband and he expects the same attention and care from his wife.

They may be newly-weds, but for the most part Kajal is home by the time Dev comes back from the office. It's not like she's out having an affair. She's out making a suprise video for Dev. Keyword: DEV. He's the person she's thinking of the entire time.

I don't agree that she is at home most of the time...because initially during Adi's case, she was all the time busy with conducting press conferences and all.... and then she was with Adi trying to learn guitar and then shooting video and all. Dev didn't get to spend enough time with her. Marriage is not just about sleeping together, but it is also about sharing time with each other...when both are awake and also discussing their thoughts and feelings...which most married couple do soon after marriage and which Dev never got to do with Kaajjal. She surely is not having an affair with Aditya...Dev knows that she is not having an affair...but he also cannot bear her giving more importance to Aditya and that is what is making him upset. Just because you are physically with your husband at night, doesn't mean you are mentally with him. Dev want to know if her soul is with him..even when her body is with him..😆

Surely Kaajjal loves Dev a lot....we as audience know it...but Dev her husband doesn't know how much she loves him...so we can't blame him, if he is questioning her and because of her attitude he is turning possessive.😆

Why is Kajal wrong when it is Dev that's listening to the enemy and talking to him (Shivansh). If Dev feels betrayed then he needs to do something about it other than getting drunk and acting like a spy.

Kaajjal is wrong because she is not giving enough time to Dev, which a newly married wife should be giving to him. She is spending that time with Aditya, which is making Dev insecure. When Dev is trying to reduce his insecurity, Kaajjal is increasing his insecurity, with her playful behaviour...indifferent answers and lies. Dev doesn't personally have an enemity with Shivansh and he doesn't completely want to trust Shivansh's words, but as a husband he just wanted to make sure, that his wife is totally loving him..just like he is loving her. Dev got drunk, because his mind was in pain and he had to spy on her because he wanted to keep his mind clear..rather than live with a huge doubt in his mind.😳

Edited by ahem_brahmasmi - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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ahem_brahmasmi, I don't post my opinions to be super analyzebecause at the end that's all that it is - MY OPINION. But you can believe what you want because I still disagree with you. State of shock or not - that's just an excuse. Yes his first initial reaction was shock but how stupid do you have to be to just walk out (referring to Dev). That's like seeing a robber and calling the cops after the robbery happens and the robber leaves. That doesn't make sense. So it would be pointless for him to confront Kajal afterwards or play stupid mind games with her.
Edited by punjabihypnotic - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: starry_eyes29


oh i totally agree and might i add...its not like kajal noes tha dev follows her or tha hes seen her..i think the only time was wen they were playing the guitar..and i guess she wants to hide w/e she does becas yes she does want to surprise dev...i mean dev says he trust her but really he doesn't ...but kajal still thinks tha he does trust her but i bet if she knew he didn't she wud stop wat she was doing and try and clear things with him...



Thank you! I'm happy that someone finally sees the serial my way as well! 😃
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: dudleysam

yes i secind that....

what friendship are we talking about , aman she known a month....she had aML...a man who lies to her about being her husband...who makes no attempt to look for her family....what ever his reasons...

if adi was her childhood friendo or someone she knw a long time like salman and mads in HTPS, it was still understanable...for then DEv would have understood...and he wouldnt have reacted so badly....

what will a man or that matter a woman think if an ex-lover starts becoming so important to her/his partner of less than 2 weeks...early days in the marriage are very delicate for that life long balance...if you lose it...you have lost your marriage and it applies both to men and woman....as a married woman myslef, i will vouch for that...believe me whne you get married your thoughts will change..😕.

for all men in the world are alike in this matter...no matter how westernised or sophisticated they may be when it comes to their wives they are the same.😃

lets not mistake adi with any friend here...he is an ex-lover, jilte din a way.....

sammy

They're BOTH wrong. Kajal should've stayed away from Adi and Dev should've trusted Kaajjal

Maya

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Posted: 18 years ago
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why should she stay away from Adi? Doesn't matter how long of a friendship they had - it's the strength of the friendship that should count. now she should give up a friendship because dev has trust issues? yeah right! dev needs to resolve has issues rather than escalade them through nonsense and doubts.
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Well done Shreya, Dev whose love was an inspiration, an example, a standard - people are now thinking his love is not love.

Wow Shreya, You guys deserve to go to jail for this!!
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: thesaint148

Well done Shreya, Dev whose love was an inspiration, an example, a standard - people are now thinking his love is not love.

Wow Shreya, You guys deserve to go to jail for this!!

They mixed us up and they're confusing themselves, Dev's love vanished into thin air.......

Maya

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Originally posted by: thesaint148

Well done Shreya, Dev whose love was an inspiration, an example, a standard - people are now thinking his love is not love.

Wow Shreya, You guys deserve to go to jail for this!!



I agree with you! The new team that took over should fix the story and fast! The original track would have been better! This serial should've just ended after Dev and Kajal got married!!
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Wow what an amazing debate ! Loved reading everyone's view-point, after which, one can conclude on the following

1) Dev and Kajjal are madly-in-love newly-weds who need to spend more time with each other now that they are married but instead they are busy with other extra-marital activities, like going to London (Kajjal stayed back bec she wanted to help Aditya), getting involved in Aditya problems, making a video for Dev with Aditya's help

2) There is no harm if Kajjal has a male friend. However in view of the current circumstances where Aditya and Kajjal relationship has been badly published and in view of the fact that this friend Aditya is equally in love with her and almost would have married her, Kajjal needs to be cautious in her behaviour with him. Of course they've shown extremes as to Aditya's arm cosying over Kajjal and her seductive dance moves in front of Aditya (even if it was for the video) and she having no inhibitions about it.

3) Trust is not the only thing important in a marriage, need and attention is equally. No person likes to be ignored esp. a married person and that too so early in marriage. If a married man or woman ignores their spouse, then that spouse is going to experience some sort of insecurities and neglect. Its like telling your spouse, see we are married and will always be there for each other, will always find time for each other, so please wait but now at the moment I need to pay attention to the other person's needs since I am not married to that person. All of a sudden Aditya is like one God to her and the most important person at the moment, to the extent Dev is left behind. At the pooja too she wouldn't start the pooja till Aditya came, also ignored Dev's lunch invitation that too for a silly video surprise which could always have been done later. If Dev had to do the same to Kajjal, she too would have been mad at him. Also every man or woman, need constant assurance that their partner loves them. Its not that they don't trust them, its just that we all like to hear I Love you as often as possible.

4) Coming to Dev, his anger is his biggest weak point and has always been his secondary nature. But then Kajjal is aware of it and even loves him for it. One cannot imagine Dev without his anger ! Also, given the circumstances anyone is bound to be angry and upset. However, thinking about killing her and Divorce, is just too extreme on his part. If he ever wanted to kill her he should have done it much before when his horoscope predicted his wife's death !!

So all in all the Kajjal team need to re-work the track because it is a completely silly one !! 😡 😡

MV


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