Originally posted by: heroin.
No it was not a pique turn. It looked like chaine. But since she wasn't a trained dancer I think she picked it up from somewhere.
If she's a winner of a jazz dance competition, then she should know what a 'pirouette' looks like. The first thing a jazz dancer is taught is how to stand in parallel and what a pirouette is. I didn't see her clarifying or correcting Vaibhavi anywhere.
Yes, they're trained in Indian classical forms, but that does not qualify them to judge other forms too. If it's an indian show then why the heck are they going to London, New York and other foreign cities? Why are they letting all sorts of dancers walk in for audition? I take professional training for jazz and contemporary and have been doing it for 2 years, which amounts to absolutely nothing compared to the number of years people put in for dance, and even now if given the chance, I would outright refuse to be judged by two people who know absolutely nothing about my form.
And why should a trained dancer, who has probably taken training for 10-12 years, go and perform indian or bollywood just because the judges don't understand anything else? Isn't it insulting to the contestant's talent and hard work?
See, it's okay if they know only Indian and Bollywood. But in that case they should not claim to be the 'World's best dance show' and yada yada if the judges' knowledge is so limited. They should just let everyone know that it's a bollywood/Indian dance competition so that only those people walk in for audition. Why let other form specialists walk in and then make a fool of themselves?
Infact I don't think anyone who has been professionally trained would want to be judged by someone who has no idea about his/her form.
Thanks a lot for the pique turns and pirroutes, my interest in jazz and ballet is very recent,(thanks to DID) and i have started training ver very recently, i dont understand half the terms in ballet chalk and cheese look same to me. i hope if i ever have confusion i can ask u. and i thought the first thing we r taught r postition one and plie and demi plie( that was kidding though😉)
first let me state what i agree to, the whole world's best dance show, god of dance etc also irks me, but its marketing strategy, every show claims that this is the ultimate show,nothing like this has happened before or will happen again. So even if its annoying, we just have to bear it.
now why i disagree:
# first of all, all indians reality songs, be is music talent hunt or dance or anything r trying to go big, and to tap in the large indian/indian-origin viewership specially in US or UK. SO i find nothing wrong in them going to London and UK, and that is garnering them viewership and money . also they r not auditioning or allowing dancers who r not of Indian origin to participate, so i guess its a nice platform for dancers of Indian origin, who wants to showcase their talent, specially those trained in indian classical forms.
now farah and jazz. i dont know how far it is true, this is what she said and her mother said. but i have seen her judging dance shows, not just celebrity ones, but hard core dance shows, and she is quite nittygritty about technicals, i dont know why she didnt correct VM, may be she did, it was edited out, may be she didn't say it on camera. or it might be a mistake by Vibs too. I know piroutte r very very different from what the girl did, but in many indian dance shows, i have seen people doing circular moves, even pique, which gets passed over by pirouette, infact in one show one judge called two guys taking rounds on knees as doing knee piroutte( i dont even know if such a thing exist), and they all r pretty knowledgeable, or they come across so. I donot know why would they blurr the technical details. But i have seen both the judges in other shows, they r good. infact i have seen VM doing instant demonstration to the contestants to show how it might be done.
As far as talent pool goes, i guess they r looking for dancers who have that passion for dance in them and want to make dancing as their primary profession ,trained or not. these shows r the platforms for such dancers. and i donot believe a word of the whole untrained dancer crap. not a single of them r so called "untrained". i said that in some other4 forum too, what do they mean when they say untrained. Some may be , true. but most of them lie, to garner more publicity. each one of them have gone to atleast the local muhalla ke dance school and thats a big lie when they say no training. training doesnt mean u need to go to shiamak davar's institute or terrence lwesi academy or hemamalini school.anyways that was my two cents out of the topic.
Back tot he judges, i believe they know a lot more than bollywood, their knowledge comes off when they judge dance based shows. besides they have vast experience on how to present a song.
a contestant , who has trained for 10-12 yrs, still might not need to perfect how to present the dance, how to choreograph the moves. their opinion and expertise come in handy there.
These dance shows, or for the matter of fact any dance shows, is not for the selection of one dancer who has perfected one form or technique, rather a complete dancer who can learn quickly, has dedication and can master a number of dance forms.
besides i strongly believe there is more to dance than just mastering one technique. that is where, again the judges opinion come handy, even if u dont know anything about the form, u can still understand the expressions, the connection, the postures. besides if a dancer thinks that he/she is perfect in one form and doesnt need to be judged by someone who doesnt know the form, how else is the dancer gonna improve. who knows if that ignorant person might shed a little more light on it? and that person, who is sitting on the judges chair might know more about the overall aspect of dancing than just mastering a form. he knows more about the whole picture.
Besides IMO, its kinda rude and arrogant, if a dancer goes ans say, i am refusing to be judged by you, because u have not mastered my form. Who knows, the contestant can ,may be do only that form, and the judge 5-6 other forms. how will the dancer learn?
It is also highly possible that as fk and Vm r too much into bw choreography, they have lost the touch with their jazz and ballet training? it can happen even if u have trained for yrs. I myself have trained since early childhood two classical Indian dance forms, but now i have trouble remembering names of some of the fundamental steps, because i have not been in touch with them
Everything said and done, i have watchd these two ladies before and they know a lot about dance than is evident in the audition epis. I will request u to have some patience and wait till the epis unfold and not judge their judging qualification based on one stray incident.
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