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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Divya,

I am so glad that you flagged this for me, otherwise I would never have seen it as I never trawl thru Lashy's gargantuan threads. They intimidate me!😉

This is a genuinely fresh and original concept, using only the zergul flower as a leit motif, to which you have managed to link almost every aspect of any significance in these chapters. Very clever, my dear! It was not easy, but you have managed it. But then you can manage just about anything, and it works perfectly.

I of course, as you might have seen from my post, abandoned the zergul flower completely, and went on a different track altogether. That is the fun about a gripping tale with complex characters, one can look at them in so many different ways!

My favourites among your Top 10 are marked in blue.

One small caveat. Poise, formality and decorum in Akbar and Heera, do you say?

To my mind, he is anything but poised; he is barely able to maintain the facade of being so. She does manage to look poised, but inside, it is all a roiling sea of confusing feelings. Decorum, yes, but not formality, no. If he had been properly formal, he would never have asked Heera those very personal questions about her eye problem. She is scrupulously decorous and formal, but then a young lady of her birth and breeding would hardly have been anything else with a young man she has just encountered.

Shyamala Periamma


Every time I read this comment, I tried not to ask... because I didn't want to cause you to type more than you must... but this time, I was tempted😃

If not poised, what would you describe AMK as? Well in their minds, it's a whole different set of battles, of course...but by appearance, I thought both were quite poised... 🤔 except during the canal scene. No?
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

The three musketeres - apt name.😆 They are a cheerful jaunty group, the kind of which get along fabulously with the likes of Akbar and Jalal with equal ease. It is when you see such a group that you miss being a boy.😕

actually this is what the serial JA missed too.. don't you think? The only male companion Jalal seemed to have was Atgah Sahab (too old) or Rahim (too young)... Mirza was only a temporary visitor..

How nice it'd have been to see Abdul as a permanent cast of the team

Haven't read ANY books of Agatha Christie.

😲

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Posted: 9 years ago
Lashykanna, and Sandhya too,

As a regular reader of my Jodha Akbar posts, you would remember that the mysterious disappearance of Abdul almost immediately after Jalal burns Jodha's portrait ( I think he was there in the group around Jalal at Sambhar, on the way to the wedding, but he did not have any lines then) has been perhaps my single biggest grouse against that script, and I have reiterated that time and again. He was pure delight as long he was there. Birbal was such a poor replacement for Abdul when he turned up eventually.

I have never ceased to wonder why they cashiered Abdul in toto😡.

In case you missed it, here is my take on the Jalal-Abdul scene, perhaps their best, from my

Jodha Akbar 4: Siyaasat ki chaal

Tez dimaag aur shaatir wafadaari: This pretty much sums up Abdul, and the shaatir dimaag that never fails to light up his eyes at the oddest moments is such a delight that the fact of his subsequent and unexplained disappearance catches at my throat like a suppressed sob.

He is that rare companion who cares for Jalal for his own sake, and rates his Shahenshah's well-being and his march to a place in history far more than his own position, even in Jalal's eyes. Such courtiers are rare, and are worth their weight in gold, for they hold a pitiless mirror up to the face of their sovereign, and speak the kadwa sach to him where no one else would dare to. Much later, there is Atgah Khan, who also speaks the truth to Jalal, but far more gently and in a far more roundabout way than Abdul, even if equally effectively.

In fact, to look at Jalal and Abdul, one would have imagined that they had grown up together from boyhood. One presumes they have not, but there is a deep and genuine friendship between them regardless, a friendship that, on Jalal's side, can take the most blunt criticism without flying into a temper. Which other emperor would let a subordinate ask him : Aapne ghoda kyon de diya Shahenshah? Jahan aapko hi apni pasand ki cheeez yahan haasil nahi hoti, waisi sultanat ka kya hoga?

A void to be filled: But Jalal does, and Abdul can get away with such things because of the very strong bond of camaraderie, and trust, that they share. And this bond exists not only because Jalal understands and accepts plain speaking when he knows that it is honest and not due to some inner agenda. It exists as much because there is a void in Jalal's zehen, a void created by the absence of those who care, not for the Shahenshah, but for Jalal. And Abdul, who Jalal knows without any doubt is one such, fills this void to some extent.

So he can say bluntly: Jise ek bar Shahenshah ne chun liya, wo cheez phir kisi aur ki pasand nahin ban sakti.Kya Khan Baba to itni bhi samajh nahin jo apni hi pasand saamne rakh diya?

Dangerous arrogance: Now this is a bit unfair because there is no indication, at this point, that Bairam Khan would have insisted on having that horse in the face of Jalal's liking for it.

But the very fact that his khwaja sera has the unbelievable audacity to speak up in front of the Shahenshah, and in effect tell him that he cannot have this horse as the Wazir-e-Sultanat had already booked it, clearly demonstrates that the Shahenshah's wishes are considered, even by a lowly slave, as of little moment when they clash with those of Bairam Khan. Surely Bairam Khan must have indicated as such, at least indirectly, to his inner circle, even to this khwaja sera, otherwise the latter would never have dare to speak up in that fashion.

Later, in the cases of Zaheer and Raja Takhatmal, Bairam Khan carries this arrogance too far, and sets himself up for his eventual fall.

Do sakhaaon ka rishta: To revert, the little scene that follows Jalal's outburst against Abdul is a true gem. It is really more like play-acting between the Shahehshah and his sakhaa - that lovely term used for Lord Krishna in the Mahabharata, by, who else, his sakhi Draupadi - than like a real attempt to threaten him, not to speak of punishing him.

Even with Jalal's khanjar at his throat, Abdul's eyes are alight with an impish glee as he explains that Jalal cannot kill him: Meri to jaan hi jayegi, par aap ki shaan.. Log kya kahenge, ki Shahehshah ne ek nihatte, kamzor apahij jo maar diya?

And as he listens to him, the anger, very likely fake anger, in Jalal's eyes gives way to amusement, as a reflection of the glee in Abdul's eyes creeps into his. The way in which he puts his hand behind Abdul's head and says, every syllable drawn out in open indulgence and affection: Nihatta apahij,, haan?, is a delight to behold.

A minute later too, as Abdul, unwilling to leave without having the last word, says to the khwaja sera in open raillery: Laga do is ghode par Wazir-e- Sultanat ki mohar. There is a slight frown in Jalal's eyes. But as he goes on, Kyonki pehchan ghode se nahin, uske sawaar se hoti hai.. Jalal smiles.

NB: True enough, for Bairam Khan rides, not with Jalal's easy grace, but rather as though a sack of potatoes had been loaded on to the unfortunate horse!

Abdul continues: Aur jis ghode par mere Shahenshah sawaari karenge, wo sabse behatareen kehlayega! Baki sab.. and a throwaway gesture of contempt..

And here the warmth of Jalal's smile is a wonder to behold. For it is not that he rates his Khan Baba and his wishes any less, it is rather that he rates Abdul's unshakeable loyalty even more.

It is this that lends to Abdul's closing, sotto voce lament a special poignancy: Khwahish rakhta hoon ki kash Bairam Khan ke mansoobe aapke saamne benaqaab hon, aur aap samajh payein ki hukumat bhale hi aapki rahi hai, par iske peeche usool hamesha se hi Bairam Khan ke hi chale hain. Would that he could have been there to see, and rejoice in this manshaa of his coming true at last!

Shyamala Periyamma

Edited by sashashyam - 9 years ago
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Yes, Lashykanna, I have been remarkably ill-disciplined and have begun falling back into my old ways, responding to every message at once, forgetting that these are not the old days! I need to rest my fingers at least for another 2 days, but first, let me clear the replies due to you, and Sandhya as well.

Well, my poppet, poise means in the first place the ability to maintain an unruffled outward appearance, calm and controlled, no matter what the circumstances, especially when they are really bad.

Akbar never manages to do this. He is abrupt, he turns away from Heera, when they meet in his study, in a way that could only be seen as rude, and when he agrees to her request, it is in a manner that is dismissive, and only barely civil. I am not here talking of cordiality at all, only of the politeness that a gentleman owes a lady when they meet.

When he is across the fence from her and her maids, after the initial nod, he is so exasperated with himself for his growing pre-occupation with Heera that he gallops off suddenly. This is not being rude to her, I hasten to add, because she has turned back to her work by then, but it looks odd, almost as if he was running away. A poised Akbar would have nodded again in a sketchy farewell to Heera and the girls, turned Bahadur around leisurely, and sauntered off.

Nor is he consistently formal, as I have pointed out.

It is Heera who is always poised, and in fact displays all of Divya's three traits - poise, formality and decorum - throughout. What she is feeling inside is quite different, but then poise is about externals.

I do not mind Akbar being the way he is; it is what makes him so interesting. I merely wanted to be verbally accurate!😉😉

Shyamala Periyamma

Originally posted by: lashy


Every time I read this comment, I tried not to ask... because I didn't want to cause you to type more than you must... but this time, I was tempted😃

If not poised, what would you describe AMK as? Well in their minds, it's a whole different set of battles, of course...but by appearance, I thought both were quite poised... 🤔 except during the canal scene. No?


Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Divya,

I am so glad that you flagged this for me, otherwise I would never have seen it as I never trawl thru Lashy's gargantuan threads. They intimidate me!😉

This is a genuinely fresh and original concept, using only the zergul flower as a leit motif, to which you have managed to link almost every aspect of any significance in these chapters. Very clever, my dear! It was not easy, but you have managed it. But then you can manage just about anything, and it works perfectly.

I of course, as you might have seen from my post, abandoned the zergul flower completely, and went on a different track altogether. That is the fun about a gripping tale with complex characters, one can look at them in so many different ways!

My favourites among your Top 10 are marked in blue.

One small caveat. Poise, formality and decorum in Akbar and Heera, do you say?

To my mind, he is anything but poised; he is barely able to maintain the facade of being so. She does manage to look poised, but inside, it is all a roiling sea of confusing feelings. Decorum, yes, but not formality, no. If he had been properly formal, he would never have asked Heera those very personal questions about her eye problem. She is scrupulously decorous and formal, but then a young lady of her birth and breeding would hardly have been anything else with a young man she has just encountered.

Shyamala Periamma



Edited by sashashyam - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

lashy 🤗 wat a loveliest chap... till date i felt dis was d best chap indeed👏... thou all d chaps were xcellent but this 1 stole all d show...😛 and as usual a perfect pic to start with d update...⭐️

d maids and their counter attacks from d opp party was fun so they got d much needed dose from khan sahib's men...😆😉

so aag dono taraf se lagi hai... aur iss aag me hum bhi jal rahe hai inne dekhte (akheera) we had khan sahib admiring d delicate darling heera... heera remembered me of midas touch d golden touch jis cheez ko bhi chuye sona ban jaaye...😳and here we had her magical touch for d medicinal herbs she was going to plant in that mini garden of khan sahib😉 and its effect has been seen on him too as admiration for her is also blooming in his dil e baag...😆😛😉

btw d name chanda did remind me of JA ameri maid of jo...😆 chanda😛 anyways...jokes apart d girl was really cute and was lil bit hesitant but our caring and loving heera did handle her and made her comfy...😳

and what we got to see is heera was now getting affected by khan sahib as she felt that for d 1st time she was upset with her maids behaviour rather their acts...and she wasnt knowing y...?😆


so now we had khan sahib's fellows having fun at his xpense teasing him with heera...and made him d scape goat...😎 ...chachajaan was also hands in glove with them...as it would b good for him he wont have to cook food for him she will manage all d cooking and caring etc...😉

this dint go well with khan sahib and poor sherbet had to bear all d brunt...😕😆 as it made him suspect that they mite have added something into his sherbet since d effects were quiet visible on him 😛 sply on d terrace...😳


d healer would heal d wounds of d patient with her care love affection...😳😛 only d patient has to surrender to d treatment...😳

so durga's 12th dya is approaching... poor heera... d hollowness will always b there..in d form of durga in heera's life...

m waiting for ur another mesmerizing update...🤗love u...😳


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Posted: 9 years ago
Sandhya my pet,

It is so good to hear from you again, and I am glad that you liked the keeper of the sacred flame concept, which occurred to me when I was midway thru the post, so much.

I think that both of us are by now such accredited Heeraphiles that we are like a jugalbandi singing her praises. Not that she does not deserve every word of what you and I have written about her, and then some more. But I have a sneaking suspicion that the extent of our abundant affection for her is at least partly due to the extent of the disappointment we felt about Jodha Begum. Not that this matters, but the relief of landing, after 2 years spent in an arid desert of seflf-righteous mahaanta, on a truly admirable feminine character heightens our exultation in Heera's qualities of head and heart.

Even if you have never read an Agatha Christie mystery novel, I would still recommend that you try out Five Little Pigs. You will not regret it, and not just because of the parallel I have underlined..

Shyamala Aunty

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This is truly lovely, Akka. It brings out perfectly the helpless, agonizing heartache one feels when faced with sudden, gut-wrenching loss . You are a wizard at locating such poems👏, Akka, I do not know how you do it!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: karkuzhali


Dear Shyamala,
Another poem for Mahender's grief. I had posted this one already in my comments on Lashy's story.

Saraswathi Akka.


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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam


Yes, Lashykanna, I have been remarkably ill-disciplined and have begun falling back into my old ways, responding to every message at once, forgetting that these are not the old days! I need to rest my fingers at least for another 2 days, but first, let me clear the replies due to you, and Sandhya as well.
All right then, I'm putting a note here - 😆

Periyamma please don't reply to this post... it's just me expressing thoughts..

Well, my poppet, poise means in the first place the ability to maintain an unruffled outward appearance, calm and controlled, no matter what the circumstances, especially when they are really bad.

Akbar never manages to do this. He is abrupt, he turns away from Heera, when they meet in his study, in a way that could only be seen as rude, and when he agrees to her request, it is in a manner that is dismissive, and only barely civil. I am not here talking of cordiality at all, only of the politeness that a gentleman owes a lady when they meet.

When he is across the fence from her and her maids, after the initial nod, he is so exasperated with himself for his growing pre-occupation with Heera that he gallops off suddenly. This is not being rude to her, I hasten to add, because she has turned back to her work by then, but it looks odd, almost as if he was running away. A poised Akbar would have nodded again in a sketchy farewell to Heera and the girls, turned Bahadur around leisurely, and sauntered off.

Nor is he consistently formal, as I have pointed out.

It is Heera who is always poised, and in fact displays all of Divya's three traits - poise, formality and decorum - throughout. What she is feeling inside is quite different, but then poise is about externals.

I do not mind Akbar being the way he is; it is what makes him so interesting. I merely wanted to be verbally accurate!😉😉

Shyamala Periyamma


Yes now that you've explained it, it makes sense to me... and it makes it so interesting to see it from a reader's POV...
You are right ...Akbar is no gentleman by formalities... not one to care much for courtly decorum either... he is a no-nonsense man... 😆

I guess the reason why I might have 'assumed' the descriptive poised is because he is acting (subconsciously) kinder and more respectful towards Heera than he has been to anyone else in his life...
[That... and the fact that maybe I was being biased ... because I errr🤔... was seeing it from a long-shot... where he emerges as the 'gentleman' of the lot, despite his gruff ways...]

But you have a point in that this is what makes him more complex... and something that attracts Heera to him since she's been with the formal gentlemanly types all her life (Chitranjan/ Kunwar/Ratan kaka even Mohan banna)

Btw, I loved loved loved reading your excerpts on Abdul

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Originally posted by: harshu27

lashy 🤗 wat a loveliest chap... till date i felt dis was d best chap indeed👏... thou all d chaps were xcellent but this 1 stole all d show...😛 and as usual a perfect pic to start with d update...⭐️

Thank you thank you so so so much dear... 🤗

d maids and their counter attacks from d opp party was fun so they got d much needed dose from khan sahib's men...😆😉

Of course they did... par bichaari Heera ki waat lag gayee... (in a playful way of course)

so aag dono taraf se lagi hai... aur iss aag me hum bhi jal rahe hai inne dekhte (akheera) we had khan sahib admiring d delicate darling heera... heera remembered me of midas touch d golden touch jis cheez ko bhi chuye sona ban jaaye...😳and here we had her magical touch for d medicinal herbs she was going to plant in that mini garden of khan sahib😉 and its effect has been seen on him too as admiration for her is also blooming in his dil e baag...😆😛😉

What a beautiful para and description, darling 👏

btw d name chanda did remind me of JA ameri maid of jo...😆 chanda😛 anyways...jokes apart d girl was really cute and was lil bit hesitant but our caring and loving heera did handle her and made her comfy...😳

Hayooo who's that?😲 😆

and what we got to see is heera was now getting affected by khan sahib as she felt that for d 1st time she was upset with her maids behaviour rather their acts...and she wasnt knowing y...?😆

At first she was annoyed witth them cos they're behaving impulsively...

then, she was annoyed with herself for not keeping a check on her emotions...

so now we had khan sahib's fellows having fun at his xpense teasing him with heera...and made him d scape goat...😎 ...chachajaan was also hands in glove with them...as it would b good for him he wont have to cook food for him she will manage all d cooking and caring etc...😉

of course.. 😆

this dint go well with khan sahib and poor sherbet had to bear all d brunt...😕😆 as it made him suspect that they mite have added something into his sherbet since d effects were quiet visible on him 😛 sply on d terrace...😳

of course there Heera was annoyed with herself.. here he is annoyed with himself... 😆

Poor innocent Sherbet did nothing!

d healer would heal d wounds of d patient with her care love affection...😳😛 only d patient has to surrender to d treatment...😳

Hai hai! 😉

so durga's 12th dya is approaching... poor heera... d hollowness will always b there..in d form of durga in heera's life...

😭

m waiting for ur another mesmerizing update...🤗love u...😳

Thank you so so so much dear.. 🤗 missed you.. and glad you're back..


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Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Jyoti,

Welcome to the forum and to Lashy's threads and to my posts!🤗RA or no RA, how could I not acknowledge and respond to this comment of yours?

My dear, why on earth did you not join the IF when I was writing regularly about Jodha Akbar, and join the discussions on my almost daily threads? I would have loved to have had you with me in 2013/14. What a pity you stayed in the wings!

I am really flattered by the warmth of your liking for my old posts, my dear, and also by the fact that you were so influenced by my analyses of Jodha Akbar that your viewpoint on Jodha Begum changed a lot. That is a major compliment for me, but it also says more about you,and your open mind, than it does about me! I was not against Jodha all the time, you would remember; I tried hard to be fair to her, and I loved her during the Badal-Kajri track. Did you read the last full analysis of the re-run episodes that I did on that track in February last, as a Valentine's Day gift to my readers?

Anyhow, now that you are here, please don't go away as soon as Lashy wraps up this fascinating novel.You must stay for the posts that I hope to do for Chandragupta Maurya. I will also add you to my PMs list.

Yes, my RA is a persistent problem, that slows me down a lot. Plus I have done too much typing these last few days. I shall have to go easy for the next 2 days and rest my fingers, but I wanted to get this response out first!

Shyamala Aunty

Sorry for late reply aunty.I would have join forum from long back had my father allow me to do so.Idon't have any ID of myself.Due to this I was unable to join forum.Now too I used my cousin ID.He first want me to clear Medical entrance exam.But now I am free till August. I do read your analysis of badal kajri track .But sadly that Jodha lost somewhere.I will surely be on CGM forum aunty waiting for your wonderful analysis.😊Take care aunty.

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