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Posted: 9 years ago
Dear Shyamala Di!
I can't write today, but I'm very glad to once again read your brilliant and boisterous (berserk) analysis. It Beethoven's power and for some reason reminded of Delacroix.
I want to once again re-read it and focus on it. Your excellent analysis always reveals to me something new, maybe unnoticed, or helps me to stay with my opinion. But your review - it is always interesting and valuable.
In addition, I have a different difficulty with computer and Internrt.. And I just crushed the story of Jyoti Singh Pandey (Nirbhaya)
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Posted: 9 years ago

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I was thinking the same😕😆

Girls she's in different time zone.. 😃 Her tomorrow is not our tomorrow 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Lashykanna,

I am afraid that despite my brave statements of not being too late with my comments on these 2 chapters, I am well and truly in the suds!😉 This was due, to a considerable extent, to my having to do that post on Kabir resurrected in the Naagin forum, which took me full three days. It is not my wrist, my dear, as I had written to you some time back. It is the rheumatoid arthritis, which has affected my right hand, the fingers especially, most of all.

What is worse, you seem to as regular as a fine tuned clock, turning up promptly with another chapter come the weekend ! Chapter 7 already, and what I am going to do to catch up with you I do not know.

Take your time periyamma... but, take rest ...

Wanton horror: Anyhow, now back to your tale, and these chapters. At the outset, I was so upset about one thing in particular that it took me a while to get over it. Even today, as I write this, I have the same sick feeling in the pit of my stomach, coupled with exasperation with you for having let me in for this. If you had been here, I would have walloped you good and proper for indulging in such gratuitous, creepy nastiness.

The fact that you write so very well, exceptionally so, actually makes it worse. The section about Durga , her mind striving hard to control the panic flooding thru her whole being, creeping along the haveli corridors, trying to ascertain what was wrong after the dogs fell silent, all the while knowing instinctively that it was something horrible, keeps your reader's nerves on edge, strung taut like a violin string about to break under the tension.

It is like a remix of Wait until Dark, except that there is no happy ending. Only I did not know that right then. At least I did not know how bad the ending would be.

You had given away right at the beginning that Durga was to be your first casualty. So I was not taken aback when she was killed by those brutes, nor even by the farmaan having been seized by the attackers. Neither kept me from rejoicing in the raw courage, the grit, and the cool intelligence that she could marshal even under when caught in such a deadly trap. Rejoicing in her ability to summon up all that she had been taught about self-defence even in such a horrendous situation, and put it to the best possible use to salvage whatever could be salvaged. That passage about her with her back literally to the wall, using up every ounce of her courage and her skill in a doomed fight, turns one's heart inside out.

OK, so she had to die. But did it have to be so degrading, Lashykanna? Those three sentences were like hammer blows on the reader's mind, and the second was the worst. Durga could have stabbed herself to death - she did have a dagger after all - or she could have managed to jump to her death from the window. Why have her beg and plead in front of that monster, and that to no purpose? It is sadistic, my dear, I have no other word for it. And to say, as someone did on this thread, that such things happen all the time is hardly an explanation. A whole lot of very horrible things happen in real life, from the Nirbhaya case to gross child abuse. Does that mean that one has to read about all that in a tale like this one?

Morever, I do not see how Heera can ever get over what actually happened to her sister. This is not the 21st century when the crippling impact of such a thing can, with enough care and affectionate support, be toned down and ultimately wiped out of one's mind. This is the 17th century, and this was, for all women then, and for those who cared for them, the ultimate horror and degradation. As they used to say till recently, it was a fate worse than death.

How can you make Heera recover from this? Not just that her Jiji was murdered - a Rajput is no stranger to death on the battlefield, and this was but another battlefield - but that before Durga died, she was stripped of every shred of her pride and her astitva by a monster, and left lying there like a slaughtered animal, a warning for those still left alive.

It was horrible. And totally unnecessary. It is not as though it adds any extra weight to any aspect of the narrative. As for Khalil, how can you make a monster more of one, and why should you, anyway?

I am afraid I sound far too vehement about all this, but it is all your fault, my pet, for drawing me so deep into your tale and making me care so much for your dramatis personae!

Emerging strength and shades: Anyhow, enough of that. The rest of the narrative is as eloquent and evocative as I have grown to expect from you. You have started building up your leading lady with sure, strong brush strokes, and I love the way in which Heera is taking shape as the narrative advances.

Thank you... 😳

Not just the usual virtues - like her being a skilled physician and herbalist (shades of Jodha Begum and her ubiquitous leps?), or a very caring mistress for her loyal servitors, able to set aside her bitter grief and tend to her wounded with a show of calm reassurance masking her inner fears - but other traits. Such as the intelligence she displays in counting the number of hooves and making out that it was only a solitary horseman, thus quelling the rising panic in her entourage.

I am glad you have taken in to the character... it is very difficult to etch a female protagonists that women would love... (just my observation) but I find women more forgiving of male characters and men in books and TV shows...

so, I hope I manage to keep her just as likeable as she has been so far...

No wonder Durga says to her: Your mind is a weapon stronger than my sword! I am sure that as the tale proceeds, we will have many more examples of Heera's quiet strength and resilience, buttressed by a sharp, logical and balanced mind.


Unbearable agony: Her moments of weakness and emotional collapse have been beautifully drawn, with a degree of perceptiveness that is very striking. For example, very few writers would have had the imagination to think of the following scene to bring out what was going on in Heera's innermost being. For this is no Amazon, this is a vulnerable young girl who has had to grow up overnight, and both cope with unbearable grief and fight against almost insuperable odds to save her land and her people.

Thank you periyamma... this paragraph stayed with me for long...

Try as she might, Heera couldn't recreate her favourite soft echos of 'slap... slap... slap... slap...'. She wasn't able to get the pebbles to hop on the surface, or carve the water into beautiful ripples, like she always did. How could she? When the waters were not still. When its currents were uncontrollably raging ahead - much like the uncontrollable turbulence raging within her own body and mind.

And then: Even the gentle breeze that'd displaced her veil and thrown her hair back didn't calm her - it only served to remind how vehement her own breath was. The light spray from the stream drizzling upon her features didn't cool her temper - it only showed her how warm her own tears were...

Burying her face into her lap, she wrapped her hands around her knees, cocooning herself from the unknown, as she waged a few fights of her own. A fight with tears. A fight with fate. A fight with God himself.

And once she'd exhausted all her energy fighting, once she'd come to terms with the fact that she might never really find the peace she so sought, Heera decided to end her tempestuous affair with nature for the night.

I loved "cocooning herself from the unknown" and "tempestuous affair with nature".

Thank you so much ... 🤗

When I see Heera as she is now, my heart melts in empathy. I am reminded of the famous quotation from Aeschylus in Robert F. Kennedy's eulogy to Martin Luther King on April 4, 1968, after Dr. King's assassination, words that could have been equally well applied a few months later when RFK himself was assassinated:

'Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God.'

I hope you will bring this "awful grace of God" soon to the poor child.

Slowly but steadily..

Light amidst the gloom: In fact I can see that you are already trying to do this.

And this not just with Heera's sotto voce description of a Persian(?) piece of masculine perfection: "skin that was fairer than fair, the bronzed locks that fell above his shoulders put even the richest shades of brown to shame. With features so sharp and eyes so piercing.."

I presume that for all his rough and tough exterior at present, our hero will soon be revealed to have other Persian traits, in the first place a flair for exquisite poetry a la Omar Khayyam and Rumi! 😉

But also, and even more so, with the aforesaid rough and tough Greek (oops! Persian!) god getting thoroughly distracted by Heera's beautiful eyes. "Hazel - the colour of her eyes. Blacks, he'd seen. Blues and greens he'd seen. Even browns he'd seen. But such an exquisite tint of hazel.."

Thank you... I am glad that this scene has not taken away from the story telling experience for you..

I shall not play spoilsport by pointing out that in that darkness, it would have been impossible for him to see anything more than that she had a pair of eyes! 😉

Never mind. We needed a break after what happened at the Parnagarh haveli.

Saraswathi periyamma pointed out the same point...😆 but, it was the dramatic in me bringing that out... I will reply here what I'd said there... 'what could be more beautiful than having to unveil the face of one so intriguing under the light of nature'

besides, on a stretch of beach with no street lights whatsoever.. if one can see the other's features... then in an open canal under moon and stars... I was guessing the same should be possible when one's eyes have become acclimatised to the darkness! Like our eyes do, after a few minutes in a dark room... and this place still had the moon-light and starlight.

Pot pourri: I loved the descriptions of the unswerving loyalty of the Parnagarh servitors towards their only surviving baisa. This is of course a common trait in feudal societies, and in Rajasthan in particular, it was visible till the last century.

Yes... periyamma... and thank you... 😳

But the way in which Gauri shields her mistress and her need for some privacy from Bajrang's officious protectiveness is due more to her personal attachment to her mistress, rooted in affection, than to feudal loyalty. That it was a mistaken reaction- for Heera could very easily have been swept away by the current and drowned - is something else again.

Of course... in fact the very idea that Heera would have strolled away so far is something that neither Gauri... nor Heera herself would have imagined happening...

Lastly, the illustration you have chosen for the teaser for Chapter 4 is stunning. It seems to be straight out of The Lord of the Rings; I would have taken those shadowy riders for two of the Nine Dark Riders, the Nazgul who are the servants of the Dark Lord, Sauron.

OMG... 😆

OK, Lashykanna, this is it for today. Lord, it has become so long! That too is something to be laid at your door; if you will write such an entrancing tale, you must expect to have a lot written about it as well!

Thank you so so much 🤗

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Posted: 9 years ago
Dear Shyamala Di!
Sorry, I'm writing a very chaos. I understand what you write a bit about other things.
It was very interesting to read your analysis! 👏
And I very well understand your feelings. When I was 18, I thought that it is impossible to evade, avoid heavy and terrible. My girlfriend was older than me for 10 years and refused to look Elem Klimov film "Come and See" about the Great Patriotic War. Then I thought this is cowardice.
Now, with my experience, I am also very hard, and I also wouldn't like to know and to think about the horrors of life. And when a woman has a child, it is particularly scary. I want to hard test, weights of life would be mine, not hers.
I fully understand your feelings and understand your words about: "Wanton horror".
Your work, your education and experience gave you the knowledge to do this literally.
I will repeat: "eo quod in multa sapientia multa sit indignatio et qui addit scientiam addat et laborem" Ecclesiastes Caput 1, 18
(For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.)
But still, I have a different attitude to this.
Firstly: story of my country. The Second World War for all of us isn't a textbook, but that actually survived my grandparents, mom and dad. It executions, pogroms, massacres, hunger and evacuation. And I am convinced that only compassion is brought up living soul. (But this for our the young readers).
And even a fairy tale or FF are educational mission, not just entertainment.
I once read that children must read scary fairy tale. It prepare them for life.
2. These three proposals, I believe, brilliantly written and thought-out by Lashy! It beats more than if it has been written on the many pages.
And my point of view, even if I rend my soul, the author has every right to any subject, when the cruelty isn't an end in itself.
I beg you: not to take my words as simply objections. When I read you, without looking sometimes at a dissimilarity of opinions, I in each of your from the point with you. I understand why do you think so.
I wish you good health and that your pain would give you a respite. I look forward to your new reviews.

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Posted: 9 years ago
Chapter 3
'A Heera indeed' Durga smiled to herself as she fondly recalled what their old tutor had said of his star pupil 'Anything she touches, blossoms... and anyone she treats, heals!'
~Wow shraddha so well described , it greatly possess the eminence of heera,even her facial demeanour can be understood , a very good way to express..

Perching her elbows against its sill, she drank the dusky sights in. Sights of endless greenery - starting from the mansion's rear gardens, to the hillock beyond, and the fertile valleys down below, where many idyllic villages flourished.

~ how can you describe so well , trust me you can try poetry after this, it perfectly gives hue of those times where there wasn't any pollution and not an environment subject was needed.. haha feeling like to give this novel to the icse and tell them to remove shakespear its unbearable..

'Jan...' she tried summoning the maids from their quarters, but realised her tongue had become drier than the sands of the Thar 'Ugh!' Swallowing a lump, she began yelling for all the guards and maids, one after another - hoping to grab the attention of any of the residents. But the only answer she got was a ghostly silence.

~first i thought she will be coerced to do what the enemies want , but now its her day to go in the deathly stilness, i like a fool could have squealed loud help , help and help and eventually might have got myself killed , but she is an important part , an eminent personality so cant be like me

'They didn't even spare the dogs!'
~inhibits perfect terrorism..

Wow amazing chapter , but whatever with durga was awful , she was weakened , raped and killed though she could not restraint the situation but she died in worse situations , really sad reading this.. it melancholy remindes me of tiger in tunnel but she has been raped here, its beyond reckoning
Indeed a very sad chapter , you are a great writer and i guess u can be a great poet , why dont you try to publish your work

Will read chapter 4 later ...





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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: moni_06

Chapter 3
You know Moni... you.. Shagun.. and all are around 13 (???)... and really have far more maturity than what I had at 13... the way you've replied here shows that! Thank you so much for taking the time out to comment... 🤗

'A Heera indeed' Durga smiled to herself as she fondly recalled what their old tutor had said of his star pupil 'Anything she touches, blossoms... and anyone she treats, heals!'
~Wow shraddha so well described , it greatly possess the eminence of heera,even her facial demeanour can be understood , a very good way to express..

Thank you!😳

Perching her elbows against its sill, she drank the dusky sights in. Sights of endless greenery - starting from the mansion's rear gardens, to the hillock beyond, and the fertile valleys down below, where many idyllic villages flourished.

~ how can you describe so well , trust me you can try poetry after this, it perfectly gives hue of those times where there wasn't any pollution and not an environment subject was needed.. haha feeling like to give this novel to the icse and tell them to remove shakespear its unbearable..

Omg... you called Shakespeare unbearable... i guess because his writings were from another time, altogether! But, thank you so much...

'Jan...' she tried summoning the maids from their quarters, but realised her tongue had become drier than the sands of the Thar 'Ugh!' Swallowing a lump, she began yelling for all the guards and maids, one after another - hoping to grab the attention of any of the residents. But the only answer she got was a ghostly silence.

~first i thought she will be coerced to do what the enemies want , but now its her day to go in the deathly stilness, i like a fool could have squealed loud help , help and help and eventually might have got myself killed , but she is an important part , an eminent personality so cant be like me

>>>> 😭... I know what you mean... very few would have had the 'practical' mind she had to do what she did, before she left forever...

'They didn't even spare the dogs!'
~inhibits perfect terrorism..
Yes... 😭

Wow amazing chapter , but whatever with durga was awful , she was weakened , raped and killed though she could not restraint the situation but she died in worse situations , really sad reading this.. it melancholy remindes me of tiger in tunnel but she has been raped here, its beyond reckoning
Yes it was very sad indeed... but it was these events that kick-started the rest of the story! and kept it going, right till the end...

Indeed a very sad chapter , you are a great writer and i guess u can be a great poet , why dont you try to publish your work
I think because I like this personal interaction with those who read what I write... 😳
Will read chapter 4 later ...
Thank you 🤗 so so so so much

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Posted: 9 years ago
@lashy me, shagun and others you are taking about are 14 I m going to be 15 on July 6, thank you for the compliment but talking about maturity I m nothing girls in front of girls in my school my age have written a book few years back (kind of a fairytale and it was even published), they go for debates with the seniors to schools like The Doon school and come second, and a girl from the my school she had not even given her boards in march and in Feb she got selected and later became femina miss india second runner up, danced with shahrukhkhan on colors tv...went for miss Asia I m nothing, people are too mature these days
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Posted: 9 years ago
@Lashy di, Yeah we're 14...😆...And I guess it's more or less same in all kids our age today! 😛

@Monika, will differ with you a bit, dear. Any of the cases you mentioned don't depict the amount of maturity present in someone. If a person doesn't attend debates, or isn't a Miss India, that doesn't mean he/she isn't mature, right?
Edited by -AkDha.Lover- - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: -AkDha.Lover-

@Lashy di, Yeah we're 14...😆...And I guess it's more or less same in all kids our age today! 😛

@Monika, will differ with you a bit, dear. Any of the cases you mentioned don't depict the amount of maturity present in someone. If a person doesn't attend debates, or isn't a Miss India, that doesn't mean he/she isn't mature, right?

I didnt say those people who dont participate in the mentioned activities aren't mature but about my classmates i mentioned they are way beyond maturer than me ,it was a comparison with me , and yes i dont participate in debate or modeling but i am mature😉same u..!
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Originally posted by: moni_06

I didnt say those people who dont participate in the mentioned activities aren't mature but about my classmates i mentiobed they are way beyond mature than me ,it was a comparison with me , and yes i dont participate in debate or modeling but i am mature😉same u..!


That's what I am saying na, if they do participate, how can you say they are far more mature than you or me? My point is that this is not the basis on which maturity can be judged.

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