Jodha Akbar 43-45: A smorgasbord - Page 4

Thank you so much, my dear Harshu! I loved your crack about Ruqaiya being a one-hukka bar, and as for her grey cells, such as they were, having been damaged by the hukka, that is spot on too. No wonder she ends up in such a mess time and again!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: harshu27

as usual u r fab in deciphering all d characters perfectly 👏 i know that mirchi wala scene was really weird where jalal was d only person eating and moreover where u mentioned all d maids of jodha and even for that matter moti was missing from d venue... 😆 i think jalal's tears were invisible to everyone and hence no one could see them 😆 i think cvs left many bloopers for us to find out each and every details about their loopholes and discuss about it... 😆 but i certainly do njoy akdha's tom and jerry fights jodha alwyz trying to hurt his ego and he trying to satisfy his ego and u have ruks one hukka bar whose brain cells have been damaged totally by d hukka and tries giving foolish ideas to jalal to put jodha down...ultimately she herself falling flat on her face... 😆 will b looking forward for ur next analysis... 😃

My dear Suganya,

I am very pleased that you liked this one so much, and as for me, I am in complete agreement with you about the totally daily soapy nature of the Jalal-Jodha interactions. There is not an ounce of commonsense in any of them, not to speak of intelligence!

As for your last para, my dear, that too is spot on! With all its very serious flaws as the tale proceeds, It is really a very addictive show. Just look at me, doing the analyses all over again, something that I told myself I would never do!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Suganya.S

Woah !!! 👏👏

Such an extensive & Impressive work of Analysis that has all the flaws n plus put together 👏👏

1) Yes , it was true that the Ja-Jo cat n mice fight was much repeative when considered with other daily soaps ..But curiously , i liked it wen enacted by our FAV couple back then and even now 😳

2) His standard dialogue of " Will make her life hell " was irritating then , but now come to think about it , i consider it was majorly after the Miscarriage track n HH track 😕 Other wise , it was just as curious to mouth those words just to satiate his own BIG Male Ego !!!

3) Jodha was , as usual in defiance mode to prove her stance rather than thinking about wat had made him to make those accusation , and instead of thinking how to get rid of those she is so busy clearing her stance - wat every daily soap heroine does 😆 and infuriating Jalal even more !!

4) Ruqaiya 🤣 She is one woman , who doesnt have a mind of her own ..Alas , the Cv's have made her one , Now or even later she keeps on reciting the same blabbers of having control on Jalal's mind but never understood her own flaws having missed noticing the changes in her bachpan ka dost's attitude 😆

5) Kaana banana and Chess game btw the begums , was somehow ok to suit with post marriage events but then it could have executed better in my opinion 😊 Shehenshah of whole hindustan , doesnt have investigation about his own burnt tongue even after the refusal of Jodha (of-course , our Jo was Pro here in being daily soap herione 😆 ) And it wil continue , till the very end

Alas , I m loving to see JA all over again , and i m more than glad to ignore all the OUT-of-logic points in the serial just to watch my FAV couple , and wen compared to later debacles i consider it has nothing to even complain about 😛 Thanks for all the PM's shayamala Aunty 😳

Oh, I knew that it was not a critique, and it is hard on me to do long posts these days.

But this way, I dispose of them once and for all, instead of having to portion them out daily. Moreover, many of the episodes on the way have nothing to justify even a page devoted to them, like the one of Saturday!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Donjas

The point about post length was not a criticism, I can take it. I was just trying to buttress my argument, which is that you can easily give smaller doses and some folks can respond to just one post and others like me will give opinions on multiple posts of yours in the same thread.

It is just that when a post is long, it is easy to miss something which deserves reflection and opinion.

My dear Akka,

Sandhya has responded to this one even better than I could have, but just a couple of points.

I never attended a zoology dissection class either, for I would have hated it and thus stayed with physics, chemistry and maths, but I take your reference to that here as a compliment, in terms of my attempts to dissect the characters!😉

As for the latter part, Ela has explained it best above. Let me quote her.

I too didn't like Jo's arguments after food fiasco...They showed her as insensitive...It was not the time for upmanship or bravado...Jo is born in a royal family and should be aware of saazishes and risks in feeding the king...What if someone had mixed poison in food? ...Her job didn't end merely with cooking the food but also carrying it safely to the Shehenshah's table...She didn't do it properly which gave MA a chance to mix chilli in food..

The thing is that Jodha does not want to do the thing properly at all, for her it is just an imposition, and then again she is, at times like this, so stupid and heedless that it is difficult to understand how a princess can be this dumb. A

s for the stressing that she is not afraid, she goes on saying this, with terminal illogicality, even before she issues her first denial. That is bizarre. The denial was the very first thing she should have produced!

As for the belittling idea, that will not hold, I am afraid. Sandhya has explained why and I second her line of argument. This apart, if after watching Jalal down a whole jugful of water after she had entered the room, if Jodha still has no idea something is badly wrong, she is blind as well as insensitive and illogical!

And let us have no more talk of "this age", if you please! Your grey cells are still as active as they come!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: karkuzhali

Dear Shyamala,

While reading your post, I get the feeling of attending the Zoology practical ( dissection ) class, though I did not get a chance to experience it while in College.

It has surely helped me to study the two major characters.

Here are my points of view of the mirchi episode:

1. I fully agree with your explanation of your pre- chilli part.There is no need for the Shah en Shah to eat sitting alone with everyone watching him.

2. About your Post Chilli account , I feel that Jodha never imagined or guessed, that anyone could have added more chillies to the food she had prepared. She thought and believed that the food suited to the taste of Jalal, as it was tasted and okayed , before it was served, by his Badiammi who was very much concerned about his safety and security.As such, she presumed that Jalal was upset since he was not used to even the 'Ameri-taste level of the mirchi'. We also notice Bhagwandas' comment in this regard.That is why she repeatedly asserts that she ,on no account, added so much of chillies in her preparation. If Jalal had calmed down a little by this time, he would have given a thought to what she had said. And he would even have had a very small doubt, when he sarcastically asks her "Do you mean that someone else had come and added chillies to the food?"

To her repeated statement that "I do not have any fear of you..", the reason I attribute is this:

During his first encounter with her on on the journey back to Agra after their marriage, Jalal says, "I can see fear on your face; fear of how I will behave and what I will be coming up with...I like it and I want it to linger permanently on your nazar.."

Perhaps that is why Jodha wants to stress that, "You can never scare me..I fear nothing.."

Why such lack of concern?

When Jodha believed that there were no extra chillies in the food she had prepared, why should she feel concerned about his behaviour? She might have thought that he was doing this purposely to belittle her.

Jodha did not also show any shock or concern when his palm was hurt by her dagger in the tent scene, though she was in a way responsible - not intentionally -for inflicting the wound. The Jodha we had seen in in later episodes will always rush instantly to do "lep lagana" treatment!

Anyway thank you very much for helping me to keep my mind alert and my other faculties also fit, which I very much need at this age.

Saraswathi Akka.

Superb, my pet! Especially the part that I have now put in blue.. That is the essence of Jodha Begum.

Incidentally, did you notice that Jalal calls her only Jodha in this stage? Even in the rooh talk! I like it much, much better than Jodha Begum.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

My dear Kanchan,

Thank you so very much, my dear. I am delighted that you enjoyed this one so much, and as for your very neat comments, I agree with all of them, so I have nothing to add to them!

Except perhaps that your point about the wistful look in Jodha's eyes, after the meeting with Salima, becoming very rare, which is accurate. That particular look is hardly seen after this - I can remember only one instance before Ruqaiya's miscarriage - till the Benazir days.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: KanJmaskis

Solid and a wonderful analysis aunty like always

From the tittle till the chessmat...ur style of writting is obviously 'juda' from all ...its a unique piece of writting ur tittle describes the whole story ... what the matter in it & what its depth...👏

Maybe the bangle bit was rather insensitive, but the rest of it is a perfectly legit, no holds barred boxing bout, from which Jalal retires having won on points. This is not yet the self-destructive spousal hostility of Who is afraid of Virginia Woolf .

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Absolutely right this mirchikand was an example of sbs saga though i enjoyed his angry performance 😉...they made all illogical effort what u put, to show only this mirchiwar😡 ...not even ja ate the food in solitary state in present of ameris bt also he only ate the food which was prepared in that big big ' kadhais 😆😆 so then she would think that he is not pretending...

Why then does Jodha assume that he is making up the chilli complaint? If she had taken even a single look at him while he was eating, she would have known that something was badly wrong. But of course she does not. Even without that, a look at him pouring all that water down his throat as she is coming into the room should have alerted her to the fiasco. But that does not even seem to register with her.

Remarkably inept handling: Jodha's response to Jalal's fierce question as to why she did it, that she has no bhay of him, and this not once but twice, before she gets around to a denial, is bizarre. ...perfect 👏👏 ...that was irritating

It all goes to prove that if there is one thing Begum Jodha does not have, it is sound practical sense, plus some understanding even of 'the other', her interlocutor, and why he behaves this way.

If Jodha had, immediately after issuing a firm and unequivocal denial instead of such a roundabout one, rushed to Jalal's side and done something to ease the burning, not out of fear but out of sheer compassion, only would her character have gone up several notches and become truly admirable, but the show would have been cut short, at a rough estimate,by 200 episodes. ...

Agree with u not for her husband but fr the kindness she served to save pigeon bt wonder that is the thing which she shows to all except ja...if there is point that she hated him and don't care about him...then the food cause of suffering made by only her...that too she can see the reactions r saying or screaming that he is true and as u said even not a cross checking that anybody will do after getting bad response for the food which is prepared by herself only...

He then ends with Aadat daal raha hoon...Jodha ke zeher ki aadat daal raha hoon, and the sudden bitterness in his voice sears the screen 👏👏

"I think also the spice thing further enrages Jalal as it opens up that wound of abandonment/not being cared for, because after all food is nourishment and a source of comfort. That he wanted her to feed him, I think on a deeper level, he wants her to care about him; and feeding someone is one way to do that. So, that he thinks she mirched it up is not just an insult for him, but another rejection. "

That's very true aunty...and it confirmed from his wordings " hamari zabaan ki jalan se jada apko apno ki rusvayi ki parvah hai" ( something like this)...that too after doing what she wants

Zara sa mirchiwala khana to kha nahin paaye, to humein bhojan banana ke liye kaha hi kyon? Ameri mirchi to sah nahin paaye, hum to Amer ki beti hain! ...

This shows Attitude waali jodha...😕

And Then He revert back-

When he tells her Aapne humein mirch khilakar hamari zubaan par hi nahin, hamare zehen mein aag lagayi hai. Ab us aag ki dahak mein aap khud jalengi, the anger is but a mask for the unacknowledged hurt.

As he rages at her in ever increasing fury, what he is really saying is I did everything you wanted of me and more. How then did you do this to me? Why did you do it?

As she listens to this, for a long moment , Jodha's eyes hold an indefinable, troubled expression. Is it a sudden sense of isolation, of exclusion from what she assumes that this pleasant lady, another spouse of their husband, who moreover has a son from him (Jodha would assume that Rahim is Jalal's son), enjoys? She gets hold of herself soon enough, and salutes Salima very graciously as her senior, but as the two leave, that troubled expression is back in her eyes.

I too noticed that ... Bt onwards it was totally invisible or shown in the particular ones after a long gap,...for benazir and ruk when the situation already reached very high

- Adham, jis din tum sach mein kisi gunehgaar ko pakad laoge, hum use nahin chhodenge! 😆😆 and a little later, Tum sirf unhein pakadna, sazaa hum muqarrar karenge!.😳

About the chessmate I was expecting maham's view bt she was totally silent only giving eyes expressions ...that were not soo clear ...

What points u put in ur analysis they were fantastic aunty and showing ur deep understanding of human behaviour ...brilliant analysis of the characters...👏. 👏...u r just excellent