Jodha Akbar 34-36: Shaahi Shaadi - Page 7

Originally posted by: Coolpree

Iconic Episodes...that led to some magical moments .

These were the episodes you just sit back and enjoy for the sheer visual imagery and high drama. I was not inclined to analyse these too much. But as usual your post has compelled me to come out of my day dreaming and think 😲

Tilak Ceremony: Thanks to you and Devki for drawing my attention to this lovely scene. I had completely missed this gem of an interaction between Jalal and Mainavati in my earlier viewing. How gentle were Jalal's eyes when he looked at Mainavati and reassured a petrified mother about the well being of her daughter. if it were possible, I fell even more in love with this Jalal... Now who says he has no Dil ?😳. Surprisingly Mainavati was wonderful too 😲

This scene was also very poignant for me, because we know how much respect and faith Akbar must have had for "Real Mainavati" to send his one month old infant son Daniyal all the way to Amer to be raised by her for a few years. This to me is a startling fact given how precious Akbar's kids especially his sons were to him. How much he must have trusted the Ameri's to do this. And what an honor he bestowed on Mainavati who is not even an immediate family member.

Two Sharts: UFFF!!! Natkiya Rupantar at its Best!!!

Who cares if this happened in real history or not! I was at the edge of my seat for this scene!!! Loved loved loved every minute of this drama. Jalal pacing like a caged lion before he gives a killer smirk and says " Aap ki sharte bahut badi hein Shehzadi"

Jodha was magnificent and gorgeous as well. Paridhi nailed the scene with her small and very subtle changes in expression from triumph to utter despair.

Jodha: By episode 34 I had starting loving Jodha and was rooting for her vigorously. Yes her decision to burn the Joda was rash and Impulsive but utterly human. How can you blame her?? She has been under unimaginable stress...First the shock of receiving the kata hua sar of Surya...then the petrifying spectacle of seeing the reflection of your worst enemy as your prospective groom. The worst of all , your family who you trust completely deceives you into this alliance. She has not had any time to recover from the shock and in comes Maham with her arrogant barbs... and Jodha snaps and is pushed over the edge. Cannot blame her at all. After this mental breakdown of sorts she does recover and conducts herself with grace and dignity during the shaadi.

Shyamala it does not matter whether 16th century girls had a say in choosing their life partners or not. What matters is that in this show, Jodha has been raised pampered, privileged and with a lot of freedom and respect from her adoring family. It is entirely reasonable for her to expect a say in who she marries. We are after all judging her actions based on the show and not real history of 16th century India.

Shaadi ceremony of Heer Kunwari and Akbar: You are correct in saying that this episode was short on substance but long on spectacle. It was also very very long on significance. Loved every minute of this episode. The Chemistry between these two was electrifying and boy do they look amazing in a single frame together. If you get the time do look at Abhay's post where he draws our attention to Akbar's horoscope in the Akbarnama. His horoscope predicts his marriages with the rajas of India which will result in the birth of many princes and most importantly which leads to "increasing relish of friendship and love❤️ ❤️"- so you see Shyamala this was a match made in heaven

Whew these episodes have brought forth the romantic in me with a vengeance. I am loving every bit of this 😊😊😊

Thanks once again for doing this despite the obvious strain on your joints.

Originally posted by: ghalibmirza

adi, the show is about both and that is why discussions are related to both and majority like to believe and stay in that small imaginary world of jodha akbar created by ekta and looks glamorous onscreen with two good looking actors but in reality i have never read anything about his personal life achievements, unlike salim noor or even baajorao mastaani..akbar was something else, he was an example of a trend setter..an alpha male who lives life on his terms and that keeps him on a pedestal and makes him interesting and more fascinating to be talked about! i still cannot forget when i read how he crossed a flooded river single handedly without even an ounce of fear in him whereas all his subordinates were peeing in their pants seeing him do this, isn't that amazing and then his anecdotes on how he tamed wild animals and the one shown in JA the movies is another fascinating aspect of this fearless hunter! ..uuufff!!! speechless!

Mandy, adi , myviewprem - I for one definitely believe Akbar is his own creation - There are no two ways about it. His other Rajput wives are not much known or publisized as they could not create the same impact that HK did which to my mind is attributable to Salim. The serial's characterization has erased any softer romantic hues that I want to attach to this relationship.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

All of Akbars wife converted to islam before marriage

In islam and all judaism religions you cannot marry a different religion person if you do not convert

So for all official purpose and outside world the wives were muslims not hindus

Even Hira Kunwari converted to islam- its not true she remained hindu as being potrayed

Inside agra fort they all followed their religious practices and also their festivals like holi, diwali, dusserha and rakhi

I doubt jodha had that much power to put any shartein or ask anything to akbar for initial few years.

Because Akbar was a casanova till his late 30s atleast and was not one woman man to listen only to jodha. All this freedom he gave his wives was a political tactic to assuage the rajpuths. And he married two three more rajputh princess in same year he married Hira Kunwari. So we cannot conclusively say he allowed freedom listening to her. That was a well thought out political strategy and there is no gaurantee that he immediately allowed his wives to follow religious freedom. May be through the months and years he slowly allowed them religious freedom to get more rajpuths into matrimonial alliance with him.

Rahim, Bairam Khan's son was born to a lady that belonged to Lord Krishna's family. Rahim was tutored in hindu philosophy and was a Krishna follower from beginning(as his mom belonged to that family and not because Hira Kunwari introduced him to Lord Krishna etc)

very good post - your responses are rooted in reality and pragmatism - I always like them - Loaded with Info too.

Originally posted by: jayaks02

Mandy, adi , myviewprem - I for one definitely believe Akbar is his own creation - There are no two ways about it. His other Rajput wives are not much known or publisized as they could not create the same impact that HK did which to my mind is attributable to Salim. The serial's characterization has erased any softer romantic hues that I want to attach to this relationship.

But that's another story.

A man who had Navratnas and created revolutionary systems in governance, taxation and finance and such a multi faceted strong personality could not have been asked to agree to conditions by anyone.

jaya agree in toto! in my opinion he did take everyone's advice esp the ones he trusted and and that could include HK along with his 9 gems or even his mother, salima or even ruk for that matter..but the end decision was his and he would take advice from the ones that knew what they were doing in their respective fields and why would he take advice regarding financial matters from tansen and not toda mal?..similarly why would he just take advice from jodha and not other important females in the harem?..i think HK was a prominent figure in the harem but Akbar definitely never walked holding her finger like shown in the show which is an insult to such a great emperor to be portrayed as a baby walking holding mama's finger!

i think Akbar's real love was his ambition of conquering hindustan and then being a fair and just ruler on the grounds of equality given to all religions cast and creed! and how can a workaholic like him create or leave amar prem kahanis with his wives or concubines?

Thank you so much, my dear Ela. It was very long, since it covered 3 one hour episodes, and I was glad to get it done!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: elasingh

Wonderful analysis Shyamala...Thanks for posting it...

Thank you, and as for all those interested voicing their views, my threads have always been like that.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: rexniko

Thanks for detailed updates ... interesting to read other's views as well ... this gives everyone a platform to voice their views.

Thank you, Mandy dearest. And yes, this shot would be my pick too! That is why I have included it in my post.

Shyaamala

Originally posted by: ghalibmirza

shyamala another brilliant analysis and what else can i add to it! in the whole of this wedding saga this pic and this expression took my heart away yet again!

the wedding was grand and one of the best in terms of tv standards! and that is why this show oozed richness in the initial episodes which died down after the major leap!

Aunty,

My dear Bindu and Preeti,

Yes, but the reel Jalal and the reel Jodha were not situated in the 21st century, were they? They were firmly planted in 1562 AD. So we cannot possibly divorce their behaviour from the times they are supposed to live in.

If not, why does the reel Bharmal condemn the reel Jodha so sharply for having shamed him and the Amer royal family because of her midnight boat ride with Suryabhan, so much so that he wants to strangle her? That she is innocent of any wrongdoing makes no difference to his condemnation. Was he not behaving according to the 16th century code? So how can the reel Jodha's behaviour now be delinked from her era and its mores?

And Preeti, when you say that " Jodha has been raised pampered, privileged and with a lot of freedom and respect from her adoring family. It is entirely reasonable for her to expect a say in who she marries. We are after all judging her actions based on the show and not real history of 16th century India", you are contradicted by none other than the reel Jodha herself. Remember when she tells Sukanya that their parents might joke about taking their consent, but the fact remained that their marriages would be settled solely by their parents?

That was the rule then, and when they settle her reel marriage with Suryabhan, they do not take her consent in advance but merely inform her, and the reel Bharmal later slaps the reel Jodha down bluntly when she tries to lobby for a Suryabhan-Sukanya wedding. He pointedly remarks that she has been given far more freedom than was common in their families,and she should not mistake this freedom for licence. This is for the reel Jodha, mind!

But my argument condemning the reel Jodha for the way she behaves is not based on this point. It is that she indulges in badi badi baatein about unconditional readiness to sacrifice her all for Amer, and when the time comes to walk the talk, she falls down and badly so. After listening to her mother's homily - which is full of plain home truths about what would happen to Amer if she backed out now - she comes out and burns the shaadi ka joda.

She would have been well served if Jalal had let Adham and Sharifuddin loose on Amer, the stupid woman. Then she could have hugged her maan samman to herself and checked out the thousands of the dead and dying in Amer. She is nearly 20 which in those days was well past the age of reason ,and of marriage too ( I have noted the attempts to make her 16, whereas the reel Jodha is said to be 17+), and I will cut her NO slack at all for her folly. She does not deserve to have escaped so easily for an act of such colossal irresponsibility.

And what special dignity does she display during the wedding, pray? It is her father's word and his honour at stake, and she still nearly makes a scene by refusing to place her hand in Jalal's. Maybe she was expected to make a bhashan in the lagna mandap about how she had been forced into this marriage with a kroor Jallad? And should be given brownie points because she refrained? She was probably saving up her bhashans for later😉.

If I could have got at her, I would have laid this reel Jodha across my knee and given her 60 juicy wallops with the stoutest slipper I could find! And a real slipper!😉

I have no idea if there really was a Jalal-Jodha love story or not - there are so many mutually contradictory historical sources that anyone can take his or her pick - but even if there was, I am sure it did not begin like this.

And Preeti, get your fill of loving this reel Jodha while you can. It is soon going to become difficult for you to stay the course!😉

Thanks a lot for your concern about my joints. The way they behave over the next few weeks or months, especially my fingers, will probably decide how long I can continue inflicting these analyses on all of you.

Shyamala/Aunty

Originally posted by: Bindu_nhbr

Preethi,

I love ur views always and this one is no exception😊

You've said an interesting point,as we are talking abt only REEL Jodha and REEL Akbar,we can't analyse their behavior vis-a-vis the real circumstances back then.

Abhay's post was a bliss to read which reinforced that Akbar and MUZ shared a special bond😃which needs no monument(like Taj Mahal) to showcase their love❤️

Bindu.

Originally posted by: Coolpree

Iconic Episodes...that led to some magical moments .

These were the episodes you just sit back and enjoy for the sheer visual imagery and high drama. I was not inclined to analyse these too much. But as usual your post has compelled me to come out of my day dreaming and think 😲

Tilak Ceremony: Thanks to you and Devki for drawing my attention to this lovely scene. I had completely missed this gem of an interaction between Jalal and Mainavati in my earlier viewing. How gentle were Jalal's eyes when he looked at Mainavati and reassured a petrified mother about the well being of her daughter. if it were possible, I fell even more in love with this Jalal... Now who says he has no Dil ?😳. Surprisingly Mainavati was wonderful too 😲

This scene was also very poignant for me, because we know how much respect and faith Akbar must have had for "Real Mainavati" to send his one month old infant son Daniyal all the way to Amer to be raised by her for a few years. This to me is a startling fact given how precious Akbar's kids especially his sons were to him. How much he must have trusted the Ameri's to do this. And what an honor he bestowed on Mainavati who is not even an immediate family member.

Two Sharts: UFFF!!! Natkiya Rupantar at its Best!!!

Who cares if this happened in real history or not! I was at the edge of my seat for this scene!!! Loved loved loved every minute of this drama. Jalal pacing like a caged lion before he gives a killer smirk and says " Aap ki sharte bahut badi hein Shehzadi"

Jodha was magnificent and gorgeous as well. Paridhi nailed the scene with her small and very subtle changes in expression from triumph to utter despair.

Jodha: By episode 34 I had starting loving Jodha and was rooting for her vigorously. Yes her decision to burn the Joda was rash and Impulsive but utterly human. How can you blame her?? She has been under unimaginable stress...First the shock of receiving the kata hua sar of Surya...then the petrifying spectacle of seeing the reflection of your worst enemy as your prospective groom. The worst of all , your family who you trust completely deceives you into this alliance. She has not had any time to recover from the shock and in comes Maham with her arrogant barbs... and Jodha snaps and is pushed over the edge. Cannot blame her at all. After this mental breakdown of sorts she does recover and conducts herself with grace and dignity during the shaadi.

Shyamala it does not matter whether 16th century girls had a say in choosing their life partners or not. What matters is that in this show, Jodha has been raised pampered, privileged and with a lot of freedom and respect from her adoring family. It is entirely reasonable for her to expect a say in who she marries. We are after all judging her actions based on the show and not real history of 16th century India.

Shaadi ceremony of Heer Kunwari and Akbar: You are correct in saying that this episode was short on substance but long on spectacle. It was also very very long on significance. Loved every minute of this episode. The Chemistry between these two was electrifying and boy do they look amazing in a single frame together. If you get the time do look at Abhay's post where he draws our attention to Akbar's horoscope in the Akbarnama. His horoscope predicts his marriages with the rajas of India which will result in the birth of many princes and most importantly which leads to "increasing relish of friendship and love❤️ ❤️"- so you see Shyamala this was a match made in heaven

Whew these episodes have brought forth the romantic in me with a vengeance. I am loving every bit of this 😊😊😊

Thanks once again for doing this despite the obvious strain on your joints.