Main characters illogical characterisation making serial TRP down

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Posted: 10 years ago
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I think TRP neither depend on AKHDA or SANAR it depends only on logical story line and good characterisation.
This is a historical serial so all characters are know to all humans and so are their characters. When viewer watches historical story all are already aware of how an Akbar, Salim, Jehangir was by reading text books and comics and a Jodha by seeing past movies like an Mughal e azam and Jodha Akbar
But this serial has confused our pre set notions of these characters
Take an example of Akbar the great
- Akbar was a Type A personality, highly Machiavellian and independent and very shrewd man. No one would dare misbehave with him in front atleast neither he listen to wives, mothers etc. He had ministers to advice him and he himself had enough brains to make own decisions not depend on a nur jahan and mumtaz like a Jehangir and shah jahan
But what do we see here in serial
Akbar is shown as a hen pecked husband struck between two wives Ruqaiah and Jodha finally settling for a Jodha(Actually this sceneario is of Jehangir struck bet jagat Gosain and nur jahan where finally nur jahan won)
Akbar is shown taking Jodha or ruqaiah advice for every small matter and cannot make any decision without them, he has no own brain(like a Jehangir or shah jahan taking advice from nur and mumtaz, then also I doubt these two men would listen to everything of their most loved begums)
Akbar could never be misbehaved at here Ruq, Jodha, some kabila chief, adham, sharif, abul mali all are taking advantage and misbehaving and sometimes shouting and threatening him in front of maids and soldiers and ministers
A clever, political, shrewd and Machiavellian emperor cannot understand what his brother in laws are upto, what games his wives are playing, that his son is being fed afeem, that his son is being used against him 😕 how did Akbar run a huge empire if he is so dumb for 49 years 😲
Now suddenly after being shown so dumb and hen pecked suddenly overnight he became a egoistic, chamcha listening emperor too proud to listen to his citizens pleading for their forefeathers land and tombs. Why? Why sudden change? At 45 years of age Akbar is acting like a 15-16 year old brat boy. What will his kids think especially a 5 year old aram banu? How can Akbar afford to act so irresponsible as to drive a sword to his heart to prove he is brave to todarmal and birbal. OK Akbar did something like this but in his 20s and early 30s. As a man becomes big he matures he keeps himself safe to take care of his family his aged parents, his wife and his kids. Akbar instead of doing all this is becoming and acting like a teenager. Now what does he want Jodha to mother him and Salim to father him at 45 years. Yesterday while watching the serial one of my family senior said the same that Akbar looks like a son and Salim the father 😆 LOL. What is requiring of Akbar to act so weird at 45-46 years age? I can understand at 70-75 years people become kids and want attention sometimes but at 45 years 😲
Then suddenly viewers realize why this sudden change? Oh to oppose salim-anarkali love. The previous Akbar was so dumb and romantic and soft he cannot kill a mosquito without the viewer getting surprised if not shocked. So here the CVs are trying to get a real Akbar like the Prithvraj Kapoor of MEA back on screen. But bad efforts and logic CVs. Instead of a strong emperor and strict father this Akbar looks like some teenage kid requiring 5 whacks(that is what my family felt) from hamida and Jodha 😉
Another surprising scene that defined logic was Akbar way of dealing with Salim past night for having hafeem. All that ruthlessness was a bit too much for a son who has just returned from war field after 9 years and instead of some sound advice and man-man talk Akbar is roughing him up like a policeman roughing up a criminal in his lock up to get truth.
Even more shocking scene was Akbar saying his 5 year old baby daughter to write love letter to Jodha 😆 which father does that? A real father shall not say even his 19 year old Salim to write love letter to mom 😆 in 21st century forget 16th century
And even more shocking scene Akbar singing love song in front of ministers, gaurds, maids, mom, aunt, his own kids, his childrens friends LOL why do you not do it in your private room shahenshah. Can you imagine a real Akbar doing any of above? No right
Jodha Bai aka MUZ
What I have read or seen in movies of past Jodha is a strict but doting mother and an obedient wife who does not involve much in DEA/DEk activities neither preach her husband or treat him like a 21st century college girl does with her latest boy friends.
I mean even in 21st century a wife shall not fight/shout with husband in front of maids, gaurds, ministers and family. But here is Jodha doing all this and more bashans on sanskaar etc to husband. In between bashans on rajvanshi pride and roamcing husband she forgot to give some bashan to salim instead of Akbar LOL 😉 Bashan se Akbar sudhar gaya aur jhoru ka ghulam ban gaya aur beta teenage aur adult rebel ban gaya.
Jodha ma'am,
the amount of time you bashan poor Akbar spend atleast 20% on your son and amount of time you romance at 45-46 years with Akbar atleast 25% time spend on son Salim then he would not have run after anarkali, nur jahans of world. After all what do son want from a wife another mother image of his mom. And here your poor son has no idea of what a mom is you are only bashan and ruq is only afeem and over possessive/controlling so poor fellow thought mom means bashan cum afeem cum over possessive/controlling. That is why first he fell for anarkali - she also no less bashan giving on royals and commoners just like you madam. And nur jahan was like ruqaiah his other mom possessive and controlling. In between both mother personality lovers Salim thought best way to forget both mothers and both lovers over dominating personality best to have wine and afeem and forget the life and world. After all how much a man can take such bashans and controlling nature best to be in nasha so you moms and wives bashan do not get into his brain at all and affect his already misbalanced equilibrium.
Salim
Salim was a highly complex man as per history. Both historians, ambassadors at court, travellers accounts and psychologists are confused about him is he good or bad, is he God fearing or atheist, is he kind or cruel, did he love Akbar or hate him, is he good son or bad, is he a lover boy or family man, is he good or bad father and all are still confused about the answers.
Anyways in this serial the Cvs are also as confused as historians and others. One day Salim is a good boy treating a commoner woman as grandmom and calling a commoner as brother, next day he wants anarkali punished for destroying his life badly, one day he forgives dad for hitting arrow at him next day he wants to war with him to avenge friend death, one day he is screaming I hate you, your face, your palace etc to dad next day he is scared about dad health and wants food checked and full security to dad, one day he is carefree teenager roaming streets of agra next day he is the man of house incharge.
But one thing any viewer is not confused is the following
Salim never hated his parents from childhood and no matter what difference never misbehaved with them even for an anarkali/nur jahan he was not that type of guy at all. Because when he did bhagawat and marched to agra and hamida came to meet him he felt ashamed and guilty and went off to Allahabad, when his grandmom died and went for funeral his dad slapped him in court and put him in house arrest but he never spoke against or made big issue of it. It was more of a matter of son being punished by parent for mistake not some war or not some ego thing that he shout back at Akbar or make big issue of it and declares war. So how can we believe a son like that will now shout at parents, humiliate them in front of others etc no ways its not 21st century where children forget diff bet elders and same age and start abusing back parents etc. In this age a parent cannot punish child or teacher cannot punish student as per law and govt but in those days a parent was a parent even if child was 35 years old a father could slap him or punish him in anger at his faults. It was not an ego issue.
Salim never hated an anarkali too ever he always loved her at first sight and always loved her. She may be fiction or fact but still there has no been a literature to show that Salim anarakali had hate- love relation it was always love and only love till end.
Here Salim is going on warning her I am prince behave etc so why love commoner? A lover is a lover a BF is a BF a prince or commoner. What sort of love is this when its unequal? Same goes to anarkali her attitude sometimes gets on viewer nerves.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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prem my dear i too made a similar post would love to hear more from you, if you wish to visit my post😊
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Very Nice post👏👏...i m totally agree with you..😊

and i highly doubt that change of Akbar just coz of Salim and Ananrkali Kya??? 🤪




Edited by -abhi-pundir- - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Well said Prem.
CVs have ensured that every character - Akbar, Jodha, Salim, Ruqaiyya - everybody has been butchered. And with each new track the butchering continues. Nothing new about it. In fact I will be shocked if they revive any character 😛

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prem excellent post👏..esp butchering of akbar!
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Originally posted by: myviewprem

I think TRP neither depend on AKHDA or SANAR it depends only on logical story line and good characterisation.

This is a historical serial so all characters are know to all humans and so are their characters. When viewer watches historical story all are already aware of how an Akbar, Salim, Jehangir was by reading text books and comics and a Jodha by seeing past movies like an Mughal e azam and Jodha Akbar
But this serial has confused our pre set notions of these characters
Take an example of Akbar the great
- Akbar was a Type A personality, highly Machiavellian and independent and very shrewd man. No one would dare misbehave with him in front atleast neither he listen to wives, mothers etc. He had ministers to advice him and he himself had enough brains to make own decisions not depend on a nur jahan and mumtaz like a Jehangir and shah jahan
But what do we see here in serial
Akbar is shown as a hen pecked husband struck between two wives Ruqaiah and Jodha finally settling for a Jodha(Actually this sceneario is of Jehangir struck bet jagat Gosain and nur jahan where finally nur jahan won)
Akbar is shown taking Jodha or ruqaiah advice for every small matter and cannot make any decision without them, he has no own brain(like a Jehangir or shah jahan taking advice from nur and mumtaz, then also I doubt these two men would listen to everything of their most loved begums)
Akbar could never be misbehaved at here Ruq, Jodha, some kabila chief, adham, sharif, abul mali all are taking advantage and misbehaving and sometimes shouting and threatening him in front of maids and soldiers and ministers
A clever, political, shrewd and Machiavellian emperor cannot understand what his brother in laws are upto, what games his wives are playing, that his son is being fed afeem, that his son is being used against him 😕 how did Akbar run a huge empire if he is so dumb for 49 years 😲
Now suddenly after being shown so dumb and hen pecked suddenly overnight he became a egoistic, chamcha listening emperor too proud to listen to his citizens pleading for their forefeathers land and tombs. Why? Why sudden change? At 45 years of age Akbar is acting like a 15-16 year old brat boy. What will his kids think especially a 5 year old aram banu? How can Akbar afford to act so irresponsible as to drive a sword to his heart to prove he is brave to todarmal and birbal. OK Akbar did something like this but in his 20s and early 30s. As a man becomes big he matures he keeps himself safe to take care of his family his aged parents, his wife and his kids. Akbar instead of doing all this is becoming and acting like a teenager. Now what does he want Jodha to mother him and Salim to father him at 45 years. Yesterday while watching the serial one of my family senior said the same that Akbar looks like a son and Salim the father 😆 LOL. What is requiring of Akbar to act so weird at 45-46 years age? I can understand at 70-75 years people become kids and want attention sometimes but at 45 years 😲
Then suddenly viewers realize why this sudden change? Oh to oppose salim-anarkali love. The previous Akbar was so dumb and romantic and soft he cannot kill a mosquito without the viewer getting surprised if not shocked. So here the CVs are trying to get a real Akbar like the Prithvraj Kapoor of MEA back on screen. But bad efforts and logic CVs. Instead of a strong emperor and strict father this Akbar looks like some teenage kid requiring 5 whacks(that is what my family felt) from hamida and Jodha 😉
Another surprising scene that defined logic was Akbar way of dealing with Salim past night for having hafeem. All that ruthlessness was a bit too much for a son who has just returned from war field after 9 years and instead of some sound advice and man-man talk Akbar is roughing him up like a policeman roughing up a criminal in his lock up to get truth.
Even more shocking scene was Akbar saying his 5 year old baby daughter to write love letter to Jodha 😆 which father does that? A real father shall not say even his 19 year old Salim to write love letter to mom 😆 in 21st century forget 16th century
And even more shocking scene Akbar singing love song in front of ministers, gaurds, maids, mom, aunt, his own kids, his childrens friends LOL why do you not do it in your private room shahenshah. Can you imagine a real Akbar doing any of above? No right
Jodha Bai aka MUZ
What I have read or seen in movies of past Jodha is a strict but doting mother and an obedient wife who does not involve much in DEA/DEk activities neither preach her husband or treat him like a 21st century college girl does with her latest boy friends.
I mean even in 21st century a wife shall not fight/shout with husband in front of maids, gaurds, ministers and family. But here is Jodha doing all this and more bashans on sanskaar etc to husband. In between bashans on rajvanshi pride and roamcing husband she forgot to give some bashan to salim instead of Akbar LOL 😉 Bashan se Akbar sudhar gaya aur jhoru ka ghulam ban gaya aur beta teenage aur adult rebel ban gaya.
Jodha ma'am,
the amount of time you bashan poor Akbar spend atleast 20% on your son and amount of time you romance at 45-46 years with Akbar atleast 25% time spend on son Salim then he would not have run after anarkali, nur jahans of world. After all what do son want from a wife another mother image of his mom. And here your poor son has no idea of what a mom is you are only bashan and ruq is only afeem and over possessive/controlling so poor fellow thought mom means bashan cum afeem cum over possessive/controlling. That is why first he fell for anarkali - she also no less bashan giving on royals and commoners just like you madam. And nur jahan was like ruqaiah his other mom possessive and controlling. In between both mother personality lovers Salim thought best way to forget both mothers and both lovers over dominating personality best to have wine and afeem and forget the life and world. After all how much a man can take such bashans and controlling nature best to be in nasha so you moms and wives bashan do not get into his brain at all and affect his already misbalanced equilibrium.
Salim
Salim was a highly complex man as per history. Both historians, ambassadors at court, travellers accounts and psychologists are confused about him is he good or bad, is he God fearing or atheist, is he kind or cruel, did he love Akbar or hate him, is he good son or bad, is he a lover boy or family man, is he good or bad father and all are still confused about the answers.
Anyways in this serial the Cvs are also as confused as historians and others. One day Salim is a good boy treating a commoner woman as grandmom and calling a commoner as brother, next day he wants anarkali punished for destroying his life badly, one day he forgives dad for hitting arrow at him next day he wants to war with him to avenge friend death, one day he is screaming I hate you, your face, your palace etc to dad next day he is scared about dad health and wants food checked and full security to dad, one day he is carefree teenager roaming streets of agra next day he is the man of house incharge.
But one thing any viewer is not confused is the following
Salim never hated his parents from childhood and no matter what difference never misbehaved with them even for an anarkali/nur jahan he was not that type of guy at all. Because when he did bhagawat and marched to agra and hamida came to meet him he felt ashamed and guilty and went off to Allahabad, when his grandmom died and went for funeral his dad slapped him in court and put him in house arrest but he never spoke against or made big issue of it. It was more of a matter of son being punished by parent for mistake not some war or not some ego thing that he shout back at Akbar or make big issue of it and declares war. So how can we believe a son like that will now shout at parents, humiliate them in front of others etc no ways its not 21st century where children forget diff bet elders and same age and start abusing back parents etc. In this age a parent cannot punish child or teacher cannot punish student as per law and govt but in those days a parent was a parent even if child was 35 years old a father could slap him or punish him in anger at his faults. It was not an ego issue.
Salim never hated an anarkali too ever he always loved her at first sight and always loved her. She may be fiction or fact but still there has no been a literature to show that Salim anarakali had hate- love relation it was always love and only love till end.
Here Salim is going on warning her I am prince behave etc so why love commoner? A lover is a lover a BF is a BF a prince or commoner. What sort of love is this when its unequal? Same goes to anarkali her attitude sometimes gets on viewer nerves.


WELL SAID PREM. I AGREE WITH ALL THE POINTS THAT TOU HAVE MENTIONED


BASICALLY THE STORY IS GOING WRONG COZ -


THE CVS HAVE UNNECESSARILY GIVEN IMPORTANCE TO RUKKAIYA BEGUM. HE NEGATIVE INFLUENCE IS THE MAIN REASON FOR SALIM TO BE SO BADLY CHARACTERIZED.


YES SALIM AND AKBAR HAD SOME DIFFERENCES, BUT THE HATRED THAT THE CVS HAVE FILLED IN SALIM AND THAT TOO DROM SUCH A TENDER AGE IS COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.


IF THEY HAD NOT GLORIFIED RUKKAIYA, SALIM AND JO JA WOULD HAVE HAD A NORMAL RELATIONSHIP. JODHA WOULD HAVE HAD A MUCH MORE POSITIVE INFLUENCE ON SALIM AND SUCH SCENES WOULD HAVE BEEN LOVED BY THE AUDIENCE


WE LOVE WATCHING THE SHOW. WE CAN FORGIVE CERTAIN LAPSES IN HISTORY IN THE NAME OF NR BUT BECAUSE OF RUKS THE ENTIRE STORY HAS BEEN ALTERED


WHEN HUSSAIN DIED AGAIN RUKS WAS GIVEN TOO MUCH IMPORTANCE AND THE CHITTOR MASSACRE WAS TOTALLY BUTCHERED. ALL THAT SHIT LIKE THE SR WAS CAUSE OF HUSSAIN'S DEATH ETC WAS IN VERY BAD TASTE. JALAL BLAMING JO WAS EVEN MORE GRUESOME


IF CVS TRY AND IGNORE RUKS AND HER MADNESS FOR SOME EPISODES, THIS SERIAL HAS SOME CHANCE.


OTHERWISE EVEN IF THEY SHOW JOJA FOR THE WHOLE 20 MINS, I DODNT SEE ANY HOPE
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prem i tried watching the epi again maybe i might like it but i felt like throwing up after watching jalal like this! he was a jallad before but not a madman!..and akbar was very shrewd and u r rt in saying he was not a follower but a leader..but the show is hell bent on making him a follower which is a joke!..if he was like this he would have been not so successful as fools can never be that successful!

but now the whole coronation will go to jodha for making him insaan again😆..i wonder what real akbar's soul must be thinking that is he a brainless pendulum
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Valid Points Prem. Nice & Sensible Post. Cvs killing the show in the form of NR.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: -abhi-pundir-

Very Nice post👏👏...i m totally agree with you..😊

and i highly doubt that change of Akbar just coz of Salim and Ananrkali Kya??? 🤪





Else why at age of 45-46 Akbar will act so crazy dear?

I can understand him acting so in 20s and early 30s not in late 40s that is his age now

In late 40s you are most mature and sane
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Prem wonderful,from the begining they have buchured all the characters be it akbar,rukiya and jodha,first of all i never believed akbar was jallad and he had no heart,thats one foolish thing to say,next jodha married him and behaved with him in all arrogant and her grihna modes no wife duty nothing,esa thodi hota hai,and rukiyya no tamiz tehzeeb nothing screaming like a lunatic and now shes totally a wreck ans salim who would believe a son hates his parents this is the sickest joke by the cvs,and anar how hate love can even be shown,how a commoner dance girl can even hate a prince,the story was bad from the begining but director aur actors ke kamal ki wajah se hit hogayi,now no story bad direction its gone from bad to worst

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