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Posted: 10 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: skanda12

Peepu, I hope all your dreams come true!😃

yes but the spoiler pic indicates a baby salim..too
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Posted: 10 years ago
#52
hi mansi awesome analysis . u touched each and every angle. jaljo views about war,angry on god angryjal, blame on jo by jal which u hv written is absolutely right but i expected this in yest post but today u hv given.yest before reading ur post i thought why mansi didnt think these points intodays post but igot these views by thurs'd episode but today u write it i am really very very happy. about ur view on leap is right and jal cannot control his anger that toafter the death of his babies for 3yrs highly impossible forjal and yest iwas thinking in this way and today episode conformed that no leap by ruq. mansi i obsereved one thing in JA serial is by following every- episode,dialogue, expresion then only what CVS are trying to show the love story of JA and CVS are going very depthof human pshycology behaviour.
here my views on present track-
1) jal jo have faith in god . but jolost after hassan's death first but jal has.after hussain's death jal lost.
2)lost in helping others -first jo laterjal lost after d o b(death of babies)
3)faith in curse- first jo didnt believe after hussain death she started believing but jal has from the begining.
4)faith in love and most important for jaljo- first jal had no DIL no LOVE jo had and jal found. after hassan's death jo had only one hope or bless is their love but it hasbecame sin after hussain's death for both jaljo and they are blaming love. in wednes day episode when jal was saying to jo NOT BLAMING jo accepted that becuse of her love for him hussain died without saying any word to jaland jal said that ur silence was answer-here i observed one point jal has only hopeis jo's love but he lost that by jo silence answer that's way jal was distancing himself fromjo.becuse jal's strength is jo's YAKEEN jo lost all her yakeen after babies death so jal lost .
now we will to wait and watch how they will get hopes faiths in upcoming episodes.these views based on last tuesday and this wednesday episodes.
last tuesday this wednesday episodes
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Posted: 10 years ago
#53
Brilliant post Mansi Di... You found sense in this otherwise nonsense track... Kudos to you... I didn't get time to watch the episode... But yesterday I was passing by an electronic shop where JA was shown in all those 32 inches LED and I caught a glimpse of Jalal... I did not knew what he was saying but I was taken aback by his look... He was looking like a zombie or a lunatic... Wonder whose ideas was to apply the whole dibbi of Kajal on his eyes...

At this point of time I am way too much hurt By Jalal's blame on Jodha and punishing her for no reason and the love story which I was in love with has DIED the very moment he put the whole blame on Jodha... They have to show Jalal and Jodha falling in love all over again... This time their love will be above physicality it should /will be more connected with spirituality... I hope Ekta and her buchan of morons handle it properly...


I sincerely hope they don't show Ashoka kind of change in Jalal as in no ways it will fit in... As there was Ranthambar (spelling might be wrong) war which was also gory...



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Posted: 10 years ago
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actually there's no need to take it as jalal wants only waaris from jodha..
he didn't love jodha just use her for waaris..
jalal's now-a-days behaviour dekh ke sab ko aisa lagta hai ki usse sirf aur sirf baccha chahiye..
agar Jodha ka pregnant hone ka news sun ke Jalal firse insaan bane to what's wrong with this..
*Yeah jalal ek lover hai jo jodha se beintehaa mohabbat karti hai(agar lover hai to baccha maarne k baad yeh mohabbat kaha chali gaya??????)..
*Yeah jalal ek sahenshah hai jo bahut kind badshah hai(agar kind sahenshah hai to baccha maarne k baad yeh kindness kaha chali gaya???????)..
Then this two question ka ans yeh hai ki just think for one time___
*Jalal as Father Jalal...
just forget for one time____
*Jalal as Lover Jalal...
*Jalal as Sahenshah Jalal...
*ek lover k liye uska love e sab hai jaise ki jalal ki mohabbat jodha k liye..
*ek sahenshah k liye uski puri saltanat,riyaya hi sab hai jaise ki jalal k liye hindustaan..
aur...
*ek father/abbujaan/pita/bapusa k liye uski baccha hi sab kuch hai..
*jalal pahele jallad jalal tha then kind sahenshah jalal bana then lover jalal bana then saheshah akbar bana then father jalal bana..
In past Jalal lost his child with rukaiya uss time bhi vo toot gaya tha but itna nahi cz uss time vo jallad jalal tha akbar nahi..
In past Jalal lost his hope to be father once more time in Jodha's fake pregnancy uss time bhi vo toot gaya tha but itna nahi cz uss time vo jallad jalal tha lover jalal nahi..
then now yeh jalal father huya hai hassan+hussain ki & he lost them but this time vo akbar se jallad jalal baan gaya..kyu?????
kyuki iss bar vo jallad jalal nahi tha vo akbar tha..vo believe karti thi ki agar vo kuch accha kare to usse bhi kuch accha hi milega but usse accha nahi mila vo aapna khoon ko aapne aakho k samne marte huye dekha..Aur jab usse pata chalega ki vo firse abbujaan bannewali hai to isme galat kya hai..jab ek baccha roote hai to usse chup karwane k liye khilona(toy) hi chihiye kyuki ek baccha k liye khilona hi sab kuch hai usse kuch nahi paata except khilona..aise hi ek father k liye aapna baccha hi sab kuch hai..
Soo not blame jalal just think him as father jalal for once time


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hi mansi, well I was confused a bit with yesterday's episode, but your analysis cleared my doubts. Awesome analysis. Mansi, one thing that we have in our favourite that ekta does not have the resources to show the war for the entire week. So the war is going to be real short. As we can see in the precap jalal is already walking amongst dead bodies. In a fort like place. Which means that he has entered the fort. And if that has happened means that he has won the war. Mansi, here I see two thing happening, either like the kalinga war he will realise that he cannot laugh after doing what he intended to do. Jodha's word will haunt him that your sword has first shed my blood and then he will go into depression and will not know how to face jodha. Or either he might see the women committing jauhar abandoning their kids or entrusting then to someone else or even the kids dying with the mothers. He will then realise that what he has done not only barbaric but futile and this has tarnished him forever. People may call him duplicitous and say that whatever he did was for his political gain only and in his mind, he has no respect for Hindus and this did the act. You are right mansi, he will loose all peace and realise what jodha said is correct and that one cannot challenge God. But by the time he realises this and goes back to Agra with the intension of talking to jodha, the news of the kind of massacre he did would have reached jodha's ears and she would refuse to talk to him. Mansi, till now she can understand him acting ruthless as a way to remove his anger, but after hearing the slaughter, you donot expect her to welcome him with open arms and talk to him like normal. She will show him the cold shoulder and it is natural. This behaviour of jodha will push him into further despair that he has lost everything due to his irrational behaviour, his kids, his reputation and even the person who always loved him and showed him the right way. He will spiral into self guilt that he blamed her to avoid taking the guilt himself and accepting it and now he has nothing left. He will isolate himself from everyone. Finally looking at his condition, either hamida will tell jodha to go to him as she is the only one who can reach out to him as she had after atga's death and Maham's curse. Jodha too will feel that he did this in anger and is in deep repent and will go to him. There he will accept his fault of blaming her to hide his guilt and then they will reconcile. Mansi, in all this I see this matter getting solved by Diwali week, but it could also extend a bit into the next week. RUKAIYA bhndaphod, I donot know how that is going to fit in. And talking about the pregnancy if they can show an sr in May and pregnancy in july the. Why can't they show the pregnancy after reconciliation? The picture if the kid could be anyone else. And why I feel that ruks bhandaphod is the closure of the twins death track. It will rid them of all the guilt they had and will teach jodha to be extremely possessive of her kids and jalal not to trust anyone from his family with his kids in future. Immediately after the exposure of ruks, they may show jodha pregnant. That would make sense, but I don't know how far the cvs have brains to show this well. This falling in love again track has so much potential, I hope these morons don't just waste it showing BEK scream.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#56
I did not like Jalal's dialogue yesterday..
The dialogue writers need to write clear dialogues..I felt it meant like he was blaming God and he was taking it out on Rajvanshi..The dialogue sounded so to a laymans ears..
Whatever, but I don't want to see Jodha pregnant with Salim and Jalal getting back to her...No...They had to do a lot of prayers to get Salim...If they jump straightaway to Salim , it wont be good to see...
On Monday precap itself it seems Jalal is looking over the dead bodies and may be end of Monday or Tuesd he will get that realisation and get back to Jo, so by Wednesday or Thursday they will be united but there will still be making up..So that may extend to next week..
But I don't want to see Salim now..
Also I want some kind of closure on Rukaiyya..Because still Jo and Jalal and everyone has symptathy on her that she lost Hussein..She made a good drama out of it..So when the next baby comes, I want Jo and Jalal to be firm enough not to leave the kid to Ruk..For that her evil mind has to come out..Hope something happens...
Edited by chennaigirl - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#57

Originally posted by: srilu321

hi mansi awesome analysis . u touched each and every angle. jaljo views about war,angry on god angryjal, blame on jo by jal which u hv written is absolutely right but i expected this in yest post but today u hv given.yest before reading ur post i thought why mansi didnt think these points intodays post but igot these views by thurs'd episode but today u write it i am really very very happy. about ur view on leap is right and jal cannot control his anger that toafter the death of his babies for 3yrs highly impossible forjal and yest iwas thinking in this way and today episode conformed that no leap by ruq. mansi i obsereved one thing in JA serial is by following every- episode,dialogue, expresion then only what CVS are trying to show the love story of JA and CVS are going very depthof human pshycology behaviour.

here my views on present track-
1) jal jo have faith in god . but jolost after hassan's death first but jal has.after hussain's death jal lost.
2)lost in helping others -first jo laterjal lost after d o b(death of babies)
3)faith in curse- first jo didnt believe after hussain death she started believing but jal has from the begining.
4)faith in love and most important for jaljo- first jal had no DIL no LOVE jo had and jal found. after hassan's death jo had only one hope or bless is their love but it hasbecame sin after hussain's death for both jaljo and they are blaming love. in wednes day episode when jal was saying to jo NOT BLAMING jo accepted that becuse of her love for him hussain died without saying any word to jaland jal said that ur silence was answer-here i observed one point jal has only hopeis jo's love but he lost that by jo silence answer that's way jal was distancing himself fromjo.becuse jal's strength is jo's YAKEEN jo lost all her yakeen after babies death so jal lost .
now we will to wait and watch how they will get hopes faiths in upcoming episodes.these views based on last tuesday and this wednesday episodes.
last tuesday this wednesday episodes

That is a super duper point that I have marked in blue!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#58

Originally posted by: surochitadutta

Brilliant post Mansi Di... You found sense in this otherwise nonsense track... Kudos to you... I didn't get time to watch the episode... But yesterday I was passing by an electronic shop where JA was shown in all those 32 inches LED and I caught a glimpse of Jalal... I did not knew what he was saying but I was taken aback by his look... He was looking like a zombie or a lunatic... Wonder whose ideas was to apply the whole dibbi of Kajal on his eyes...

At this point of time I am way too much hurt By Jalal's blame on Jodha and punishing her for no reason and the love story which I was in love with has DIED the very moment he put the whole blame on Jodha... They have to show Jalal and Jodha falling in love all over again... This time their love will be above physicality it should /will be more connected with spirituality... I hope Ekta and her buchan of morons handle it properly...


I sincerely hope they don't show Ashoka kind of change in Jalal as in no ways it will fit in... As there was Ranthambar (spelling might be wrong) war which was also gory...



Yes yaar the make up on Jalal during that war speech to his sipahis was godawful in some shots!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#59

Originally posted by: parijat_akdha

actually there's no need to take it as jalal wants only waaris from jodha..
he didn't love jodha just use her for waaris..
jalal's now-a-days behaviour dekh ke sab ko aisa lagta hai ki usse sirf aur sirf baccha chahiye..
agar Jodha ka pregnant hone ka news sun ke Jalal firse insaan bane to what's wrong with this..
*Yeah jalal ek lover hai jo jodha se beintehaa mohabbat karti hai(agar lover hai to baccha maarne k baad yeh mohabbat kaha chali gaya??????)..
*Yeah jalal ek sahenshah hai jo bahut kind badshah hai(agar kind sahenshah hai to baccha maarne k baad yeh kindness kaha chali gaya???????)..
Then this two question ka ans yeh hai ki just think for one time___
*Jalal as Father Jalal...
just forget for one time____
*Jalal as Lover Jalal...
*Jalal as Sahenshah Jalal...
*ek lover k liye uska love e sab hai jaise ki jalal ki mohabbat jodha k liye..
*ek sahenshah k liye uski puri saltanat,riyaya hi sab hai jaise ki jalal k liye hindustaan..
aur...
*ek father/abbujaan/pita/bapusa k liye uski baccha hi sab kuch hai..
*jalal pahele jallad jalal tha then kind sahenshah jalal bana then lover jalal bana then saheshah akbar bana then father jalal bana..
In past Jalal lost his child with rukaiya uss time bhi vo toot gaya tha but itna nahi cz uss time vo jallad jalal tha akbar nahi..
In past Jalal lost his hope to be father once more time in Jodha's fake pregnancy uss time bhi vo toot gaya tha but itna nahi cz uss time vo jallad jalal tha lover jalal nahi..
then now yeh jalal father huya hai hassan+hussain ki & he lost them but this time vo akbar se jallad jalal baan gaya..kyu?????
kyuki iss bar vo jallad jalal nahi tha vo akbar tha..vo believe karti thi ki agar vo kuch accha kare to usse bhi kuch accha hi milega but usse accha nahi mila vo aapna khoon ko aapne aakho k samne marte huye dekha..Aur jab usse pata chalega ki vo firse abbujaan bannewali hai to isme galat kya hai..jab ek baccha roote hai to usse chup karwane k liye khilona(toy) hi chihiye kyuki ek baccha k liye khilona hi sab kuch hai usse kuch nahi paata except khilona..aise hi ek father k liye aapna baccha hi sab kuch hai..
Soo not blame jalal just think him as father jalal for once time


You are right, if we keep that idea in our minds that Jalal wants Jodha only for the waaris, then when we watch the serial we will feel as if it is echoing our thoughts. Better to watch without pre-judgements.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#60

Originally posted by: karishma.s

Hi mansi, well I was confused a bit with yesterday's episode, but your analysis cleared my doubts. Awesome analysis. Mansi, one thing that we have in our favourite that ekta does not have the resources to show the war for the entire week. So the war is going to be real short. As we can see in the precap jalal is already walking amongst dead bodies. In a fort like place. Which means that he has entered the fort. And if that has happened means that he has won the war. Mansi, here I see two thing happening, either like the kalinga war he will realise that he cannot laugh after doing what he intended to do. Jodha's word will haunt him that your sword has first shed my blood and then he will go into depression and will not know how to face jodha. Or either he might see the women committing jauhar abandoning their kids or entrusting then to someone else or even the kids dying with the mothers. He will then realise that what he has done not only barbaric but futile and this has tarnished him forever. People may call him duplicitous and say that whatever he did was for his political gain only and in his mind, he has no respect for Hindus and this did the act. You are right mansi, he will loose all peace and realise what jodha said is correct and that one cannot challenge God. But by the time he realises this and goes back to Agra with the intension of talking to jodha, the news of the kind of massacre he did would have reached jodha's ears and she would refuse to talk to him. Mansi, till now she can understand him acting ruthless as a way to remove his anger, but after hearing the slaughter, you donot expect her to welcome him with open arms and talk to him like normal. She will show him the cold shoulder and it is natural. This behaviour of jodha will push him into further despair that he has lost everything due to his irrational behaviour, his kids, his reputation and even the person who always loved him and showed him the right way. He will spiral into self guilt that he blamed her to avoid taking the guilt himself and accepting it and now he has nothing left. He will isolate himself from everyone. Finally looking at his condition, either hamida will tell jodha to go to him as she is the only one who can reach out to him as she had after atga's death and Maham's curse. Jodha too will feel that he did this in anger and is in deep repent and will go to him. There he will accept his fault of blaming her to hide his guilt and then they will reconcile. Mansi, in all this I see this matter getting solved by Diwali week, but it could also extend a bit into the next week. RUKAIYA bhndaphod, I donot know how that is going to fit in. And talking about the pregnancy if they can show an sr in May and pregnancy in july the. Why can't they show the pregnancy after reconciliation? The picture if the kid could be anyone else. And why I feel that ruks bhandaphod is the closure of the twins death track. It will rid them of all the guilt they had and will teach jodha to be extremely possessive of her kids and jalal not to trust anyone from his family with his kids in future. Immediately after the exposure of ruks, they may show jodha pregnant. That would make sense, but I don't know how far the cvs have brains to show this well. This falling in love again track has so much potential, I hope these morons don't just waste it showing BEK scream.

Yes Karishma, even when I saw the precap I got the feeling he is surveying his own handiwork with some disgust. At any rate as you say wars are very expensive to shoot so they will shorten the whole thing. And yes, we may very quickly get to the stage of Jalal's remorse.
Regarding the possible pregnancy I loved what Donjas has written today in his post on this thread. he has said if Jodha is pregnant as a result of that SR Jalal may suddenly realise that his anger against God is wrong because what God takes with one hand he gives with the other hand. So in a way it was fate that made him and Jodha sleep together that night they lost Husein because maybe God intended Salim to be the heir.
Its all in the mind how we take the lessons from life. We can be sour or we can make life sweet by how we accept what happens to us.

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