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Posted: 10 years ago
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Jodha should start again the puja of god, which she left. This is all happening because of this only.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Good for you and me!😃



mansi your post is the only positive one today😉😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thank you for a very vivid analysis. The episode, as you said was a filler, but it set the stage for interesting things to follow.
I can see two alternate scenarios, which can have long term affect on this serial.

Scenario 1- Jalal goes to war against the Rajvanshi states. After a period of bloodshed, he has an Ashoka moment where he realizes the futility of it all. He falls into depression, he is estranged from Jodha and he still does not have faith in a God. Over a long period of time, after having atoned for his sins, he gradually wins over Jodha again and his faith in God is re established.

As you can see, this is going to be a long drawn out process and Salim's entry could take a long time because even with leap and all, first Jalal has to win over Jodha again.

Scenario 2- Jalal is on the verge of going on the warpath against the Rajput states, when he gets news that Jodha is pregnant.

Everything changes at that moment. His fury against god evaporates. He realizes that God in his wisdom took with one hand and gave with another. He understands that the night with Jodha is not a sin, but the will of God. Since this child has to survive, voila! Little Salim enters the stage.

The second scenario requires that you forget about history. I am reminded that this serial is not the life story of Akbar, it is a 'natkiya rupantar'. Ekta can exclude whatever incidents of history she does not want to show. She even has the freedom to distort historical events and facts. So, in this 'natkiya rupanter' Chittor and other war campaigns never happen, the timings of Salim's entry also loses contact with history.

At this time, my mind is 50-50 as to which scenario the CV's will show. But the second scenario looks slightly more likely if the rumor of Jodha Akbar being re united by Diwali is true..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Donjas

Thank you for a very vivid analysis. The episode, as you said was a filler, but it set the stage for interesting things to follow.

I can see two alternate scenarios, which can have long term affect on this serial.

Scenario 1- Jalal goes to war against the Rajvanshi states. After a period of bloodshed, he has an Ashoka moment where he realizes the futility of it all. He falls into depression, he is estranged from Jodha and he still does not have faith in a God. Over a long period of time, after having atoned for his sins, he gradually wins over Jodha again and his faith in God is re established.

As you can see, this is going to be a long drawn out process and Salim's entry could take a long time because even with leap and all, first Jalal has to win over Jodha again.

Scenario 2- Jalal is on the verge of going on the warpath against the Rajput states, when he gets news that Jodha is pregnant.

Everything changes at that moment. His fury against god evaporates. He realizes that God in his wisdom took with one hand and gave with another. He understands that the night with Jodha is not a sin, but the will of God. Since this child has to survive, voila! Little Salim enters the stage.

The second scenario requires that you forget about history. I am reminded that this serial is not the life story of Akbar, it is a 'natkiya rupantar'. Ekta can exclude whatever incidents of history she does not want to show. She even has the freedom to distort historical events and facts. So, in this 'natkiya rupanter' Chittor and other war campaigns never happen, the timings of Salim's entry also loses contact with history.

At this time, my mind is 50-50 as to which scenario the CV's will show. But the second scenario looks slightly more likely if the rumor of Jodha Akbar being re united by Diwali is true..



donjas i too have heard two rumors one is that the mini sr they showed was their last scene of being intimate which means salim is on its way and no leap of 3 years and also reunion by diwali and news of salim..but why i feel that the first one is most likely..spiritual path..realization of what damages were done in chittor war..! more of a kalinga effect!..and then reviving faith and going to salim chishti and hearing news of salim!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sweet24

Jodha should start again the puja of god, which she left. This is all happening because of this only.

Sounds simple ... put like that!😃
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Mansi, wonderful post. Your description of Jalal's state of mind is the best one

Very busy today so just short post, will try to post later.

Jodha did not collect all her jewelry and money JUST FOR RAJVANSHI WINDOWS or INJURED - Jodha told Bharmal it was FOR INJURED OF BOTH SIDES AND THEIR FAMILIES - then Bharmal told her she need not worry about Mughal soldiers cos Jalal has made ample provisions for their families.

Only AFTER HEARING this Jodha then told Bharmal in that case she wants to help the Rajvanshi war ravages families as there is nobody to help them.

Jodha has been extremely fair and treated both Mughals and Rajvanshis equally here.

When Maan Singh went to war against that Raja he was also Rajvanshi and she had supported him.

It is not the war but THE WAY JALAL IS APPROACHING IT THE BRUTALITY she sees in Jalal that will make him lose reason and take out his rage on everybody that is scaring Jodha.

She is worried about Rajvanshis but she is more worried for Jalal cos she knows he will never find peace in this but will get more traumatized. This is what is going to happen and Jalal after seeing the bodies and his promise to God that he will laugh will cry instead seeing he felt no peace and how many he destroyed in his hatred.

Jodha is more worried for Jalal cos she understands him and loves him.

I think Jalal is going to realize what Jodha had told him why this war this way was futile and that will be his first step towards healing.

I find the idea that Jodha will be shown pregnant absolutely appalling - it should not be - cos then it will seem like he came back to normal or to Jodha ONLY AFTER he got news of getting another baby. Then everything will just seem so fake.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Donjas

Thank you for a very vivid analysis. The episode, as you said was a filler, but it set the stage for interesting things to follow.

I can see two alternate scenarios, which can have long term affect on this serial.

Scenario 1- Jalal goes to war against the Rajvanshi states. After a period of bloodshed, he has an Ashoka moment where he realizes the futility of it all. He falls into depression, he is estranged from Jodha and he still does not have faith in a God. Over a long period of time, after having atoned for his sins, he gradually wins over Jodha again and his faith in God is re established.

As you can see, this is going to be a long drawn out process and Salim's entry could take a long time because even with leap and all, first Jalal has to win over Jodha again.

Scenario 2- Jalal is on the verge of going on the warpath against the Rajput states, when he gets news that Jodha is pregnant.

Everything changes at that moment. His fury against god evaporates. He realizes that God in his wisdom took with one hand and gave with another. He understands that the night with Jodha is not a sin, but the will of God. Since this child has to survive, voila! Little Salim enters the stage.

The second scenario requires that you forget about history. I am reminded that this serial is not the life story of Akbar, it is a 'natkiya rupantar'. Ekta can exclude whatever incidents of history she does not want to show. She even has the freedom to distort historical events and facts. So, in this 'natkiya rupanter' Chittor and other war campaigns never happen, the timings of Salim's entry also loses contact with history.

At this time, my mind is 50-50 as to which scenario the CV's will show. But the second scenario looks slightly more likely if the rumor of Jodha Akbar being re united by Diwali is true..


how i wish it is first, i dont want jalal to have this realization because of Jodha or her pregnancy - this has to be his journey
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: mandyg



mansi your post is the only positive one today😉😆

Is that so? I haven't checked the forum, but I thought the episode was just a filler and not likely to create much hungama? What is the negativity about?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Is that so? I haven't checked the forum, but I thought the episode was just a filler and not likely to create much hungama? What is the negativity about?



many did not like the fact, including myself, that death of infants was used as a driving force for akbar to become barbaric and gruesome!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Donjas

Thank you for a very vivid analysis. The episode, as you said was a filler, but it set the stage for interesting things to follow.

I can see two alternate scenarios, which can have long term affect on this serial.

Scenario 1- Jalal goes to war against the Rajvanshi states. After a period of bloodshed, he has an Ashoka moment where he realizes the futility of it all. He falls into depression, he is estranged from Jodha and he still does not have faith in a God. Over a long period of time, after having atoned for his sins, he gradually wins over Jodha again and his faith in God is re established.

As you can see, this is going to be a long drawn out process and Salim's entry could take a long time because even with leap and all, first Jalal has to win over Jodha again.

Scenario 2- Jalal is on the verge of going on the warpath against the Rajput states, when he gets news that Jodha is pregnant.

Everything changes at that moment. His fury against god evaporates. He realizes that God in his wisdom took with one hand and gave with another. He understands that the night with Jodha is not a sin, but the will of God. Since this child has to survive, voila! Little Salim enters the stage.

The second scenario requires that you forget about history. I am reminded that this serial is not the life story of Akbar, it is a 'natkiya rupantar'. Ekta can exclude whatever incidents of history she does not want to show. She even has the freedom to distort historical events and facts. So, in this 'natkiya rupanter' Chittor and other war campaigns never happen, the timings of Salim's entry also loses contact with history.

At this time, my mind is 50-50 as to which scenario the CV's will show. But the second scenario looks slightly more likely if the rumor of Jodha Akbar being re united by Diwali is true..

Donjas, you are on a roll! 👏👏👏👏
I agree with you in toto that there are these two scenarios, but the one I marked in blue is my choice. I know I am going against the tide of the popular opinion on the forum that Jodha should not be pregnant (because people fear Jalal will return to her for the waaris and not for love). But the way you have thought of it makes my skin get goosebumps. " He realizes that God in his wisdom took with one hand and gave with another."
That is the right way to see his epiphanic moment, if he has one, if Jodha is pregnant, because to see it any other way reflects a crassness in our minds rather than on the screen. As viewers we have to be cautious that our own negativity is not reflecting back at us from the screen and we are reading everything on screen with a sour note!
I, for one, prefer Ekta to stay with her naatakiya rupanthars rather than go with history, for she will never do as good a historical job as the Saagar's do, for example, as a production house.
She's better at drama of her own making, so I see the value of your saying "let's leave the history out and see it as just a serialized fiction." This spares us the angst of forever comparing with history and finding the serial falling short!

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