JA Oct 7 2014 | Elegy for Hasan, Oct10 Abhay Updt P18, Call to Zee P24 - Page 9

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: history_geek





Radhika,

Nice Post..I agree with you...And trying to elaborate your points... :))
I am using some contents of an Old Post of mine today, here, i think 99% members must not have read this one..

Lets try to see the Change in Ruqayya Begum, and analyze how she will do in future. I view her in two phases - Pre JJ marriage and Post JJ marriage. She DID NOT change overnight but took some time. I would attribute these changes in her NOT ONLY due to the "INSECURITY", BUT ALSO due to the reason that she Ceased to "EvOLvE". If Beagle was instrumental in leading to the Darwinism, then here Ruqayya's inability to tackle the "evolution" in Jalal OR to Evolve herself, is the mirror view of why she is - what she is at present, i mean 'insecure.?. or unassertive.?.'.!!.

She is at times uncertain and lacks confidence in discovering and feeling her own value(.?.!.?.!.), and one or more of her capabilities, lacks trust in herself and NOW even in Jalal .!!. Because , since starting ALL she cared was her BEK Auhda, the power, and Jalal ALWAYS assured her that her Auhda would remain INTACT...In her 10 years of marriage, didn't she understand the meaning of THE WORD of Jalal.?. Her insecurity is nothing BUT a difference in her level of awareness, regarding Jalal.(though she says she understands HIM, and she is his Bachpan ki Dost.!!.)

Deep in her heart of hearts (if she has one.?.), she knows that "truth" about Jalal(that his DIL is functional and beats for Jodha) but she refuses to acknowledge it as she fears that the present 'gala' time will last for a few days only. And when she faces reality, then will feel let down and cause them agony, by going the wrong way in the future,(For Sure.!.) as this is a normal personality attribute, and this only differs in magnitude from person to person depending on the LEVEL of insecurity and the degree upto which they can manipulate their fears from overtaking their inner conscience, and here Ruqayya seems very weak.

Jalal has changed a lot but the same SHOULD also have occured with Ruqayya also. But, as she remains in her OWN world of "Bachpan Ki Dosti" , this clause has categorically DEPLETED Ruqayya, and disallowed her to develop her relation with Jalal. Her diffidence, her fears, her anxiety, have taken a toll on many of her personal qualities which she HAD EARLIER, and now have disappeared. The regal-neSS in her SEEMS LOST. One can analyze this by keeping many dimensions in our mind. I won't quote any single event.

Many would say that her vulnerability / instabilty / fragility / insecurity, has it's roots in her bachpan years, as she lost everything in her childhood..., though i differ here, 'Coz she has BEEN Jalal's WIFE and a Queen for the last 11 years, and hence was EXPECTED to shrug off any such rickety-ness, because all these years Jalal was present with her...She said she RULED the Harem all these years, then where is the insecurity.. She wanted to be BEK, and Jalal gave her that title...She wanted to be Khaas and she remained so...

I would say, the yardstick one sets should not be to feel secure, but to be able to overcome insecurity(if it is PRESENT) or atleast EvolvE. And, the one who fails, for them Darwin has given the answer -> Survival of the Fittest, Rest are Eliminated..!!


@RED underlined..

Very nice point..Is she so fragile that she can be instigated.?. No. She was already nursing that ambition in her inner conscience...I can NOT forget the act where she took away Hussain from Jodha to put her in the cradle.

Though she still has TIME which is FAST running OUT, more or less like Bolt passing through the finish line on the sprints, in the Jamaican ''Heats''. She can change, and if NOT change, adjust herself, and can put a hold on her ever increasing shaky feelings and thereby that "FEAR" can be overcome. Yes, it always gonna take time, and she NeedS a good deal of patience and a slow realization that her own worth is purely a matter of her OWN interpretation, NOT ANY AUHDA or POWER..She was Jalal's BEST FRIEND before the Title of MUZ...Isn't it.?.." .

It is true(in her case) that "her" insecurity follows NOT due to her own acts "BUT" from concerns relating to "others" , because Everything, she wants is in comparison to Jodha. She took away the child NOT for fulfilling her ambition to LIVE motherhood, BUT >>

1. To separate Jodha from that Kid,
2. Become MUZ...

Hence, her dialogues yesterday were totally over my head, and i was in NO MOOD to sympathize with her, because (as per promo, which NOW seems true) she is NOT GOING TO GIVE the Kid , ONLY BECAUSE SHE WANTS THE AUHDA of MUZ...!!!!!.. I am totally disconnected from Ruqayya..!!

I can not understand her, as she NEVER ever understood motherhood..
Had she understood it, she would not have asked for the Kid at the first place, FOR HER trying to become MUZ..!!!... SHe FAILS to understand that SHE CAN NOT get EVERY thing she wants..!!. She can not become MUZ but adopted this ROUTE to GET THE POWER Equivalent to that of MUZ through this Kid..!!!..

PS - Pardon me for this boring writeup... ;p



Abhay you are right Ruqs has no heart dil hone ke liye insaan hona jaroori hai she is not a human she is so selfish always thought thinks and will think for herself . Earlier jalal used to say he has no heart. Now I think it main culprit of Jalal being heartless was this disgusting Ruqs who enjoyed that phase she didnot care even for Jalal .

Ab Bas Ruqs ke paap ka Ghara bhar Gaya waiting for her doomsday . She is do mean ,manipulating when she wants something she gives duhaai of childhood friendship and get her things done now she knows Jodha is in utter despair yet says you can takeHussain after my death .
I want to see her death when hussain will be no more .


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thanks Abhay for that brilliant write up on ruq .your views are enlightening.I too feel she never evolved .
There was a time during the mirchi track when she went and talk to Jalal I thought there was a chance for her evolvement.but alas she never did.Now I have no sympathy on her.We could pity the people who never got an opportunity to love or being loved ,but here she was handed everything in a silver platter.There was always Hb,Gb,Jalal for her.Yet she never realized the human values and placed
Her importance on power and measured everything in terms of it.May be I fail to understand her insecurity,For me she always looked like a child who would put aside the toy in its hand and would want what is in others and hence your assessment on she ceased to evolve is so accurate.yes she had a sense of justice before but there too it stops the moment if it would personally affect her eg.Tasneem.I think this putting herself in front of anything else is the reason she never could understand others pain or feelings and leading her to the path of self destruction
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Posted: 10 years ago
#83
Guys did you notice something??

Please don't kill me for this...

If we for sometime, try to forget Ruqaiyya's real intentions or think that there is another begum who really wants a child...(please imagine this guys, I know it is not possible... for any other begum including Ruqaiyya to be not power thirsty)...

Now given that Jodha gave away her child to this begum(provided with all the farmaans intact including reverse farmaan that Jalaal took)...

Ok, now that Jodha had lost her child due to the conspiracy of Zeenat...Jalaal has decided to ask back the another child, from that Begum...is this justified???I very well understand his intentions. I know that he just wants to relieve Jodha from her GARBHSHOK...He wants the child so that Jodha may be in peace...


We guys very well know Ruqaiyya's intentions,but if we imagine it not to be her, the question posed by Ruqaiyya is JAAYAZ !!
What about the dreams of a lady, who has adopted a child??She says that, "Kisi ek ki khushi keliye doosre ki khushi cheen na insaafi nahi hai..."

Shayad Jalal was silent due to this reason and leaves from there silently

Please let me know your views guys...I may be wrong...

P.S:I am not supporting Ruqaiyya here!!!

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Posted: 10 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0



Bhavna,

You have described everything so well...you brought the episode alive again in front of my eyes...👏

JJ's love is so touching, isn't it? The way they are leaning on each other and just about passing the time, all the while remembering Hasan is so beautiful to watch.

Jodha gave away Hussein so willingly and hasn't asked for him back even now. But look at Ruq - she is asking how Jalal can separate a mother from her child. Didn't she ever think that she also had done the same?

Even now, when Jodha is so broken that even an enemy would pity her, Ruq cannot find it in her to give the baby to Jodha for even a short while so that the latter may heal more quickly.



Radhika I was angry and sad with Jallu yday... He stil believes her as frn... Wen wil he open his eyes and see ruk ?? Wil ruk intentions of MUZ be out or not?? I can't see Jallu helplessness n numb infront of ruk... Did u see ruk dialgues yday?? She shud ask herself same ques bcz she snatched child from jo and she was talking abt cheen liya yday... Wat kind of bond she developed?? Nothing... Even zeenat feeds kid not her... She has kept hussain for four days and she said she wil die without hussain... I hope she really dies by committing suicide aftr hussain death... I'm not even predicting as I'm getting bad thights abt track these days... I'm not able to see jo pain and want to see happier akdha moments...rukayya is not human... She is alien from sme other planet..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: lasyap3

Guys did you notice something??


Please don't kill me for this...

If we for sometime, try to forget Ruqaiyya's real intentions or think that there is another begum who really wants a child...(please imagine this guys, I know it is not possible... for any other begum including Ruqaiyya to be not power thirsty)...

Now given that Jodha gave away her child to this begum(provided with all the farmaans intact including reverse farmaan that Jalaal took)...

Ok, now that Jodha had lost her child due to the conspiracy of Zeenat...Jalaal has decided to ask back the another child, from that Begum...is this justified???I very well understand his intentions. I know that he just wants to relieve Jodha from her GARBHSHOK...He wants the child so that Jodha may be in peace...


We guys very well know Ruqaiyya's intentions,but if we imagine it not to be her, the question posed by Ruqaiyya is JAAYAZ !!
What about the dreams of a lady, who has adopted a child??She says that, "Kisi ek ki khushi keliye doosre ki khushi cheen na insaafi nahi hai..."

Shayad Jalal was silent due to this reason and leaves from there silently

Please let me know your views guys...I may be wrong...

P.S:I am not supporting Ruqaiyya here!!!


I understand your point.It's not fair to ask the child back permanently ,but here Jalal asked her only for a few days till Jo recovered ...leaving aside that too anyone human wouldn't have plucked that child abruptly,if Salima has not stopped her she would have done that before even and here Jo is grieving.he said think back the favor Jo did to you and please do the same and he even begged her for doing it.but alas nope .. So even if we assume we didn't know of ruqs intentions ,could these actions be justified?
Doesn't compassion defines the base of humanity?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: lasyap3

Guys did you notice something??


Please don't kill me for this...

If we for sometime, try to forget Ruqaiyya's real intentions or think that there is another begum who really wants a child...(please imagine this guys, I know it is not possible... for any other begum including Ruqaiyya to be not power thirsty)...

Now given that Jodha gave away her child to this begum(provided with all the farmaans intact including reverse farmaan that Jalaal took)...

Ok, now that Jodha had lost her child due to the conspiracy of Zeenat...Jalaal has decided to ask back the another child, from that Begum...is this justified???I very well understand his intentions. I know that he just wants to relieve Jodha from her GARBHSHOK...He wants the child so that Jodha may be in peace...


We guys very well know Ruqaiyya's intentions,but if we imagine it not to be her, the question posed by Ruqaiyya is JAAYAZ !!
What about the dreams of a lady, who has adopted a child??She says that, "Kisi ek ki khushi keliye doosre ki khushi cheen na insaafi nahi hai..."

Shayad Jalal was silent due to this reason and leaves from there silently

Please let me know your views guys...I may be wrong...

P.S:I am not supporting Ruqaiyya here!!!



He asked the child back only for a short while and not permanently. Ruks should have done this without even being asked for. With her selfishness she is depriving Hussein from even seeing his mother. she is pathetic.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Radhika I liked HB & Jallu scene, previously it was MA whom Jalaal used to cry, later it's JO and now it's HB.. No where Ruqu even though about Jallu in all these, as she very well knows how much Jalaal also shattered just like JO...I am happy to see HB is there when JO is not there to console him and clearly told him he needs to be strong and bring back JO normal only if she gets Hussein in her life again...

it's not surprising that Ruku denied to give away to Jalaal, but the way she said he can't take the baby crossing over her death.. Ruqu is not able to see that JO bonding with Hussein when she feed him & cradle him in her arms..

Sindoor scene was so beautiful displayed the emotions of Jalaal for JO, he knows he need to show his love to come to bring her back and normal.. So lovely appiled sindoor and told her he can't live a day without seeing her face.. JO got that HE is there and will be there for her..

I liked the way JO didn't rush to dadi to cry, but lay her head on Jallu shoulder for support while Jallu, hold her tight giving her support & comfort while giving away the bad news to Dadi & Bharmal..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: RadhikaS0



Surochita,

Beautifully written about JJ's pain and loss and equally passionately written about Ruq's selfishness! 👏

Hasan and Hussein will always live in the hearts of their mother and father too.

When I was watching Jalal holding Jodha close to himself every moment and not daring to leave her alone, I understood for the first time just how much he loved Jodha that he henceforth always took her with him wherever he went.

Ruq is Ruq ... can't expect her to be anything better. 😕 Hopefully her disgusting behavior will drive Jalal totally away from her.


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Radhika sorry for the late reply... Read your reply In the night itself but thak gayi thi so didn't reply.. Aur subha se I was busy so couldn't reply...


You know I felt somewhere Jalal is afraid of losing Jodha... That is why he never left her side... Thank God he brought out his own grieving heart infront of his mother... Verna aaj nehi toh kal even he would have broken down... I hope they come out of their grief soon... Can't see like this...


Ruqu is useless... Even Her mere presence disgusts me.. God knows till when we have to tolerate her evil presence...

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SindhuMenon



He asked the child back only for a short while and not permanently. Ruks should have done this without even being asked for. With her selfishness she is depriving Hussein from even seeing his mother. she is pathetic.



Even if Ruu told Jalaal that she will now allow JO to spend time with Hussein, as she can't give away her son to JO completely, but will try my best to bring back JO from the loss, as a mother I can understand JO pain... If Ruqu have said these words, Jallu will feel so grateful, but she lost it and Jallu instead of spending time with Hussein to get over the pain, choose to spend with JO to give her warmth & love get over from their pains...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: lasyap3

Guys did you notice something??


Please don't kill me for this...

If we for sometime, try to forget Ruqaiyya's real intentions or think that there is another begum who really wants a child...(please imagine this guys, I know it is not possible... for any other begum including Ruqaiyya to be not power thirsty)...

Now given that Jodha gave away her child to this begum(provided with all the farmaans intact including reverse farmaan that Jalaal took)...

Ok, now that Jodha had lost her child due to the conspiracy of Zeenat...Jalaal has decided to ask back the another child, from that Begum...is this justified???I very well understand his intentions. I know that he just wants to relieve Jodha from her GARBHSHOK...He wants the child so that Jodha may be in peace...


We guys very well know Ruqaiyya's intentions,but if we imagine it not to be her, the question posed by Ruqaiyya is JAAYAZ !!
What about the dreams of a lady, who has adopted a child??She says that, "Kisi ek ki khushi keliye doosre ki khushi cheen na insaafi nahi hai..."


Isn't this the same logic which Jalal gave to Ruqaiyya both in private and in DEK... If the Begam who really wanted the Child for maternal feelings didn't think about this logic then how can she expects Jalal to consider her logic when it is clear that the child's biological child really need her child now more than anything...



Shayad Jalal was silent due to this reason and leaves from there silently

Please let me know your views guys...I may be wrong...

P.S:I am not supporting Ruqaiyya here!!!

Any woman with maternal feelings will never snatch away a child from his mother... She would have understood what it is to be away from one's own flesh...and forget about taking it by insult her husband publicly Even if she had taken the child then after seeing the pain of the woman who did such a huge favour to her, she would have given her adopted child back to his own mother for the time being atleast...



Having said that I will add that I was watching the show yesterday with my cousins and Masi who doesn't watch the show... After that dialogue of Ruqu they sympathized with her as they thought (hearing the dialogue) she really loved that chlid and Jalal was wrong to ask her to give her son to Jodha as he couldn't see Jodha losing all her reason to live...

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