JA Journey-A perception

Hi Friends,

I'm relatively new to this forum. So whatever I'm saying could have been discussed before but since I didn't get an opportunity to put forth my views before I wished to share my perceptions on JA's journey.

Since the journey even is about hate turning to love I too would like to go upon over this from my POV.

For me Love and hate share a common denomination-Passion. Without Passion you could never truly hate or love a person. Sometimes the hate is clouded by the negative traits like Jealous, Greed and turns it to an obsession which wholly consumes that individual and destroys them like in case of Maham or Ruq. That's y scholars advise us to " the one who harm us and then try to work for justice as a whole and not just for our own cause (because obsession has the power to even consume an otherwise good person and destroy them) which is the very quality I find endearing in our leads.

In some, Like Jo and Jalal life gives us an opportunity to see the other side of the coin and make us realize our roots of hatred are misplaced and at this moment the very hate turns to love. The fascinating aspect of their characterization is not just their qualities but the various insecurities and fear displayed which make them refreshingly human and help us to connect.

From Jalal's side the moment he saw her he had a certain pull towards her. But then two things happened. He was impressed on her for saving Abdul, but the very next moment she says she wants the head of Jalal. The warrior is him sees a challenge and accepts it immediately and want to defeat and conquer the opposition. Yet the human in him earns for surrendering himself to the object of his love. Maham here asks a valid question "If you want her y don't you just make her daasi and keep her.Why begum that too giving into all her conditions". If what he has felt is just a challenge and if only he had truly wanted to defeat her he could have very well done just that, but these unknown chords that are pulling him, wants her to be his equal and then defeat her .He doesn't understand her undue hatred towards him and so believe it as her arrogance and want to conquer it. Then comes his change of heart when he understood the reason behind her hatred and that very moment by bowing to kaali ma he surrenders to his love.

This is the moment for Jo too as this gesture helps her to see a different jalal and her hate begins to crumble and completely dissolves at the moment he gives that fort to sukanya. The following tent scene is beautifully choreographed as it shows their changing dynamics. Why should Jo react that extremely that day? Only her changing feelings affect her so much that she couldn't understand y is she beginning to be attracted to very person she hated and tries to run far from it.

Then come the dhakka scene which beautifully again portrays their conflicting emotion. For me personally till to date that was one of the beautifully choreographed and emoted episode. In jalal's dream we again see him repeating now he had finally defeated and conquered her. Yet when he come in reality, he say "I bow before your Love" shows his earning for surrendering himself to his love.

It is a poignant moment for Jo too. She clearly said she doesn't hate him anymore but yet it is hard for her to accept she has started loving him as the fear instilled in her by maham and ruq that once he

Conquers her she will become one another .Before she would not have worried about it, but now with her changing mind this fear has its deep roots. If we see in that episode too until the moment he said "YOUR LOVE" she has been perfectly ok .that word brought back the fear she long held. I have often wondered would her reaction been the same if he had simply said "I Love you and need you". So often we never express our true feeling on the fear of rejection as it's the most painful thing to bear.

I feel these insecurities and fears are always a part of us and this only helps rekindle the passion in love and makes the relation stronger as we witnessed in jalal in sujamal's scenario and in Jo's case the Atifa track

These are simply my perceptions and I might even be wrong in some areas .so I would be very interested if you all could share your perceptions too.

Originally posted by: PadBear

You've hit all the right notes here, whether with relationships in general or J and J, there's a lot there that can be understood as natural reactions to one another because antagonism turning into love is perhaps the most unsettling for a soul.

As far as I understand Jodha, you've understood her too. She was uncomfortable with the feelings she felt when it all changed in her heart. And Jalal fell in love in part with that original Jodha who he saw as an equal in this matter of love. If she changes into somebody else, it won't work either. Oh what a tangled web.

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

beautiful post Priya. You are are rocking.

Originally posted by: prav2

Thanks Rima

Originally posted by: prav2

Hi Friends,

I'm relatively new to this forum. So whatever I'm saying could have been discussed before but since I didn't get an opportunity to put forth my views before I wished to share my perceptions on JA's journey.

Since the journey even is about hate turning to love I too would like to go upon over this from my POV.

For me Love and hate share a common denomination-Passion. Without Passion you could never truly hate or love a person. Sometimes the hate is clouded by the negative traits like Jealous, Greed and turns it to an obsession which wholly consumes that individual and destroys them like in case of Maham or Ruq. That's y scholars advise us to " the one who harm us and then try to work for justice as a whole and not just for our own cause (because obsession has the power to even consume an otherwise good person and destroy them) which is the very quality I find endearing in our leads.

In some, Like Jo and Jalal life gives us an opportunity to see the other side of the coin and make us realize our roots of hatred are misplaced and at this moment the very hate turns to love. The fascinating aspect of their characterization is not just their qualities but the various insecurities and fear displayed which make them refreshingly human and help us to connect.

From Jalal's side the moment he saw her he had a certain pull towards her. But then two things happened. He was impressed on her for saving Abdul, but the very next moment she says she wants the head of Jalal. The warrior is him sees a challenge and accepts it immediately and want to defeat and conquer the opposition. Yet the human in him earns for surrendering himself to the object of his love. Maham here asks a valid question "If you want her y don't you just make her daasi and keep her.Why begum that too giving into all her conditions". If what he has sensed is just a challenge that and if only he truly wanted to defeat her he could have very well done just that, but these unknown chords that are pulling him wants her to be his equal and then defeat her .He doesn't understand her undue hatred towards him and so believe it as her arrogance and want to conquer it. Then comes his change of heart when he understood the reason behind her hatred and that very moment by bowing to kaali ma he surrenders to his love.

This is the moment for Jo too as this gesture helps her to see a different jalal and her hate begins to crumble and completely dissolves at the moment he gives that fort to sukanya. The following tent scene is beautifully choreographed as it shows their changing dynamics. Why should Jo react that extremely that day? Only her changing feelings affect her so much that she couldn't understand y is she beginning to be attracted to very person she hated and tries to run far from it.

Then come the dhakka scene which beautifully again portrays their conflicting emotion. For me personally till to date that was one of the beautifully choreographed and emoted episode. In jalal's dream we again see him repeating now he had finally defeated and conquered her. Yet when he come in reality, he say "I bow before your Love" shows his earning for surrendering himself to his love.

It is a poignant moment for Jo too. She clearly said she doesn't hate him anymore but yet it is hard for her to accept she has started loving him as the fear instilled in her by maham and ruq that once he

Conquers her she will become one another .Before she would not have worried about it, but now with her changing mind this fear has its deep roots. If we see in that episode too until the moment he said "YOUR LOVE" she has been perfectly ok .that word brought back the fear she long held. I have often wondered would her reaction been the same if he had simply said "I Love you and need you". So often we never express our true feeling on the fear of rejection as it's the most painful thing to bear.

I feel these insecurities and fears are always a part of us and this only helps rekindle the passion in love and makes the relation stronger as we witnessed in jalal in sujamal's scenario and in Jo's case the Atifa track

These are simply my perceptions and I might even be wrong in some areas .so I would be very interested if you all could share your perceptions too.

Originally posted by: surochitadutta

Wow what a beautiful piece of writing Priya... You have so beautifully pen pictured Jodha Jalal's relationship...👏

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Wonderful post. I agree about love and hate. Jodha hated him with a passion and Jalal wanted her with a passion.

Like you pointed out as MA asked why did he not just make her a bandi. Here I would like to point out probably 3 things - one Jalal did not want to antagonize the entire Rajputana - he very well knew this would have been seen as an extreme insult and would have united everybody.

Secondly Jodha might have committed Jauhar before he even got to see her!

Thirdly he did not just want her body, he wanted HER and he was attracted not just to her beauty but her passion too. That made her save Abdul and put a sword on his neck. So he wanted her for his own and he knew marriage will make her forever his.

Jodha was very deeply affected by everything MA and Ruk said and more than his feelings, when HERS started to change they scared her. She realized that SHE was going to give him more power on HER due to her feelings. So she had to guard them fiercely and never let him know.

Interesting point you asked what if Jalal had said he loves her and wants her that day? She might not have trusted his love totally as in what if he is saying this now but what if his feelings change? If she actually believed he loved her, she might have given in who knows but she would not have told him about her own feelings.

I wonder about this scene because it seemed taht music also had a sweet effect on her and she perfectly happy to see and talk with him till that dream like moment was stopped by his saying "Your love".This brought back her to reality and her hidden fears again . So i'm pondering if he had confessed his love for her ,may be her reaction could have been different.

Anyways her feelings came out when she saw him get near Ben. Till then she held Jalal's entire attention and suddenly he was giving it to someone. Jodha did not like it and more than his actions HER reactions worried her. She did not want to care or feel love for him but she had no control, just like he had no control when it came to her. He still does not like he could not stand when she praised Birbal who clearly meant nothing to her!

I remember this one line of Jalal's that "hum sapne me bhi ye nahi soch sakte ki koi sapne me bhi aap ka deedar kare" - he could have hundreds still he only wanted her and her not wanting him made him insecure. His having the entire haram made her insecure.

So they both took so long to let feelings come out, even to acknowledge them.

Their feelings came out only when they became so strong that it did not matter to either of them if they would be hurt. Jalal confessed in rage and Jodha in anger (in Sujamal track) later they actually confessed in love only when they felt confident about other's feelings.

Yes Maddy I agree. After Ben Track Jalal was so guilty that if you see in the following scenes he never met her eyes.He treated her like a precious doll and wouldn't have wanted even the slightest of misunderstanding between them So he would never have confessed his love if not for that confrontation as the fear of rejection was still there,Even during their reunion he was so guilty and left her in her room and was coming and talking to her portrait. So baring ruq that hug was another beautiful scene when he felt so happy when she reciprocated
Beautifully written Maddy.Loved your views and completely agree with you.