When Economics and Policy Goes the TRP way

divyavm thumbnail
19th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail Networker 2 Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#1
I am an Economics/ Business student ... I love topics like taxation, macroeconomic policy, etc. So, how could I possibly not make a post today! 😆

And you know if Todarmal has a dialogue then I have to be part of the party! 🥳

There were five things I liked (so let's do a mini-take 5):

1. Jalal did not succumb to immediate pressure and wanted time to discuss with his courtiers

2. There was actually a meeting of courtiers and they had a good discussion with multiple perspectives

- Maulvis brought in the religious perspective - that if they were Muslims they did not have to pay the tax

- Sharuffidhin brought the perspective of what they needed the revenues for, e.g., wars

I am surprised Maan Singh did not bring the perspective of Rajput rules but ah well ...

- And then Todarmal ... well he gets's a separate bullet. Ah and this is where my President-E-Khaas role comes to play 😉

3. Todarmal's arguments were balanced ... he acknowledged it was a challenge to Hindus but also a necessary revenues 👏

Except he did not think of one thing which is alternative revenue sources, e.g., expanding a lower income tax across the entire community, improving collection of taxes through land reforms-which I believe were actual things that were done

Also, he failed to make the argument he made with the pilgrimage tax that increased stability and less revolts would reduce expenditures and increase revenues of the Sultanate in the long-run.

I have a high bar for you Todarmal ... though I loved whatever little you said today. 😳

4. Jodha as always stood for what she believed in ... and she did provide her perspective on the pilgrimage tax as well. Her support for the poor woman and bringing the issue to Jalal were bang on.

I would say her dialogues were weak - with the "Hari Hui Hindu." I did not remember her saying any such thing in the pilgrimage tax ... but she still got her point across tactfully, "How would you feel you had to pay a tax because of practicing your religion?" Where was that nuance today?

And, she was clearly contradicting herself - she told Jalal that she was paying the taxes to due her duty and not to pressurize him ... but she was clearly disappointed at the outcome with Moti.

Why did she not give Jalal the time he asked for before pressurizing him and that too publicly and corralling all the Hindu servants?

But, otherwise, Jodha was consistently in character.

And I would say Jalal's dialogues were weak in this scene as well- I was excited when he started to say that "think of it from my perspective" ... I thought he was going to talk like a Shehenshah with a policy problem ... but nope he was thinking of an insult as a husband if she paid the tax 😆

5. Birbal's one argument I liked ... when he brought the poor Hindus for conversion as it got to a bit of the issue, is it a revenue problem or a religion problem? Because if it is a revenue problem, then all the Hindus converting to Muslim will result in the same revenue problem ... and then there is the point of injustice that Birbal himself brought up.

And that, should have been what the tarazu was between ... it is a trade-off between revenues / strength of the Sultanate's resources and equality across the public ... as it is not necessarily a trade-off because you can consider a lot of different sources of revenues as alternatives - which I believe the Mughal Sultanate did and Todarmal did do reforms related to tax reform.

And while I typically I like tarazu scenes ... I felt that was the scene where things went completely awry ... because the balance suddenly went to Jodha vs. Ruqaiyya point of view and not allowing Jodha's defeat ... when that was not the issue at all.

This has to do with justice to all religions and a revenue problem! And Jalal and Birbal seems to have forgotten that.

What has happened to the CV team? I can't imagine that this was the same team that handled the pilgrimage tax so beautifully - where there was actual investigations, drama (with Jalal arrested), Jodha providing input in such a balanced, nuanced way, debates in the DEK, and an ultimate decision was made.

I guess this is what happens when Economics and Policy go the TRP way! 😆

I found this topic so interesting and the fact that the CVs made it a debate between which of a Shehenshah's wives is right and which child should pay a tax is pretty hilarious! 😆

Edited by divyavm - 11 years ago

Created

Last reply

Replies

441

Views

13.2k

Users

29

Likes

1k

Frequent Posters

adiana12 thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#2
I have 2 koshtins - 1. If the talk is that this is the period of the end of petticoat rule - with the downfall of Ruqs - does that also mean the end of interference by Jodha and Salim also or do they not come as a part of the term 'Petticoat' ??? 2. As per my knowledge Jaziya was not applied on women and children - so how come we see Jodha and other hindu women standing in Q to pay jaziya and how come the precap has jaziya being asked / paid on behalf of the twins ??? - this is not NR this is blasphemy !!!
Edited by adiana12 - 11 years ago
munni_rajatfan thumbnail
17th Anniversary Thumbnail Stunner Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 11 years ago
#3
dont know wht to say. again jalal has to go down, to give credit to others.
bokul thumbnail
12th Anniversary Thumbnail Master Thumbnail + 3
Posted: 11 years ago
#4
sorry divya i am actually pissed of with jodha today
rude and publicly insulting jalal
i mean these things can be discussed in closed doors too
but no either it is her high way or no way
madam cannot even give jalal the time to discuss
well let her run the empire and sit on the throne
i am sure she will do it well
she will release all the prisoners
there will be no punishement
divyavm thumbnail
19th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail Networker 2 Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#5

Originally posted by: munnirony

dont know wht to say. again jalal has to go down, to give credit to others.



Even Birbal has made this a silly debate between two wives 😆
divyavm thumbnail
19th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail Networker 2 Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#6

Originally posted by: rima4ever

sorry divya i am actually pissed of with jodha today

rude and publicly insulting jalal
i mean these things can be discussed in closed doors too
but no either it is her high way or no way
madam cannot even give jalal the time to discuss
well let her run the empire and sit on the throne
i am sure she will do it well
she will release all the prisoners
there will be no punishement



Why are you saying sorry- I said the same thing in this section 😆

"I would say her dialogues were weak - with the "Hari Hui Hindu." I did not remember her saying any such thing in the pilgrimage tax ... but she still got her point across tactfully, "How would you feel you had to pay a tax because of practicing your religion?" Where was that nuance today?

And, she was clearly contradicting herself - she told Jalal that she was paying the taxes to due her duty and not to pressurize him ... but she was clearly disappointed at the outcome with Moti.

Why did she not give Jalal the time he asked for before pressurizing him and that too publicly and corralling all the Hindu servants?"

mishtidoi thumbnail
14th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#7
As your opening lines says...you and me both have said every thing. I commented on your last thread, I'll put a different comment, so here it is,
"Both Jodha and Jalal" wore bright colored dresses...her bright green-yellow lehenga and his mustard yellow jama was for once a change from dull toffees they were looking in recent days...phew!!!
How's it for a change?😉😆
1003116 thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#8
Have to watch epi yet but presidente e khas ,u are happy one today -favorite topic ,+toddy !what else you want .
What ever I got from wu ,things I didn't like -hamari hui Hindu ,that was indirect blackmail on her part .
No one is worried about babies who are premiee and if just had delivery then you also need rest and care so babe ise won't get sick ,1st two weeks are really important but cvs have forgotten all norms of pregnancy and delivery 😕
I think birbu is doing his job as he has to emerge as his adviser as per history but I don't know case is not right one because toddy was the smartest economist and to show him tongue tied ,I was not happy with it .
So let me watch epi and then comment .
This take 5 is eye of the storm -calmest place ,safest place
As I told u in morning tornado going to hit forum today 😆
1003116 thumbnail
Posted: 11 years ago
#9

Originally posted by: mishtidoi

As your opening lines says...you and me both have said every thing. I commented on your last thread, I'll put a different comment, so here it is,

"Both Jodha and Jalal" wore bright colored dresses...her bright green-yellow lehenga and his mustard yellow jama was for once a change from dull toffees they were looking in recent days...phew!!!
How's it for a change?😉😆

JB come out of color combo re 😆
lashy thumbnail
20th Anniversary Thumbnail Trailblazer Thumbnail + 4
Posted: 11 years ago
#10
As your opening lines says...you and me both have said every thing. I commented on your last thread, I'll put a different comment, so here it is,
"Both Jodha and Jalal" wore bright colored dresses...her bright green-yellow lehenga and his mustard yellow jama was for once a change from dull toffees they were looking in recent days...phew!!!
How's it for a change?😉😆

😆

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".