Take 5: An end of an era; update on Friday's episode on page 15 - Page 33

Originally posted by: divyavm

Okay some Tamil tunes I would recommend you look up on youtube ... just shared with Pattu Chitti on her thread

- Enemo Yedho from Ko (Harris Jayraj is an all time favorite)

And in recent days,

- Agasathil and Manasale Soora Kaatha from Cuckoo (Music Santosh Narayan)
- Deva Devathai from Amarakaaviyam (Music Ghibran)
- Enthara from Thiruman Ennum Nikkah (Music Ghibran)

Santosh Narayanan and Ghibran are the new gems in Tamil music

If I keep humming tunes, how can I possibly fall asleep 😆

My dear Hamletian friend,

That is because your fascinating id is the closest one can come to the immortal "To be or not to be" of the Prince of Denmark.

You have a wicked sense of humour, as exemplified by the parts @blue, and I loved that. The bit about Adham is priceless. And as for the closing para, who knows, maybe Mahaam was reincarnated as Salim, who plagued Akbar all his life!😉

I am flattered that you liked this post, and some of my earlier ones as well. I have been posting my episode analyses of Jodha Akbar in Dhwani as well since August 1, 2013, when I was kindly invited to do so. Since the last week of April 2014, when the operating style here boxed me in and drove me away as far as standalone posts went, I have been posting them only in Dhwani. I have written so many- 99 in the IF alone and more on Dhwani - that I cannot remember all of them, so I shall look up the one you have selected for special mention and refresh my memory about it. But I recollect what I had said about the point you have noted, and that you appreciated it so much says a lot about you!

Of course you can PM me to discuss anything you like about Jodha, and I promise to respond at once.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: WhyWhynot

Hi Shyamala Aunty, just wanted to let you know that I loved your post. It was spot on for me. I keep reading your posts in Dhwani too and love your writing style, the analysis - be it the shreddig or the rejoicing😊. Thanks for entertaining so many of us so many times with your posts. There are quite a few posts that still lingers on in me, one such being your post in Dhwani during the early JA days in the scene where he lands up when Jodha changes and he ends up saying green being his favourtie colour - you had analysed so beautifully the Jalal's unsaid, yet said in its own way. Thanks for such treats time and again. And I have been wanting to clarify something on Jodha with you for sometime, hope you will have time for me😊.

I liked Sandhay's posts as well on today's topic. I always relish her posts.

And I do appreciate Divi's sentiment as well while she made this post.

Regarding the episode, the episode seemed to have only two objectives as I see:

- a tribute to Ashwini

- a tribute to Jodha

and, should I say that rest did not matter! Or should I also include, maybe a changed love-overflowing Jalal who is competing now with Jodha?

While the episode shone in terms of performance (of the two indivdual actors), it lacked subtance. Looks like Ashwini got the better of MA - to me it looks like the confused lot, deeming it a fitting farewell to Ashwini, ended up glorifying MA. I suppose Rajat cried for Ashwini too and not MA!! However, if it was meant to be really the MA-Jalal pathos, then I see the CVs and PH beyond redemption...sorry, if it hurts anyone, this is just my take.

I share Sandhya's problem - looking at the serial logically😕 If you had seen my earlier post in this thread today, I had shared some of these sentiments, where I had also shared that atleast a FB will be shown where MA regrets. But looking at it deeply, maybe they wanted MA to live and die 'as is'. I am reminded of 'Neelambari' character in Padaiyappa - she will die chanting her holy name! Ofcourse, Neelambari is angel compared to MA!

But what beats me is, if they had wanted to leave her character intact, they should have done just that, like in the case of Adham Khan - none of us cried about his redemption. But what has happened here is confusion, to put it midly? Honestly, I could not swallow this glorification when Atgah was not given even half the credit. I am with you in toto.

Maybe they could have dedicated an entire showtime for Ashwini's farewell and we could have cried along to be missing out on such a wonderful actress. I could have borne this special whow at the cost of the prime episode, but not costing the episode as such.

I am not even demanding an apology from MA - my redemption you see :) Let her die in her own supreme state, but let us not celebrate glorying it - this is all my ask.

Akbar's absolution to the mother theory - I agree with you, it was not convincing to me as well. Like jodha mahanta versions, it seemed an Akbar mahanta version to me (friends, no offense meant, just my views - so, please chill)

Akbar, the noble, dutiful, compassionate king, could have come to her death bed in her last moments to grant the wish of a dying one and also in gratitude for whatever good she has done to him (in my view it would be ungrateful to foget the good deeds when bad surfaces - both need to be cognized), but not as the senti over-flowing loving son Jalal. He could have still gone to her as a son, if you would want it that way, but not suddenly forget everything. It was not shown as Jalal forgiving, but coming there forgetting in the name of a son. But where is the question of forgiving when there is not an iota of repentence in the criminal??? The calling for a son also seemed a mockery, when the basic repentence for all the misdeeds done to him is not there.

Or is MA's mind that corrupt that she only thinks that what she has done is all right and that it is unfortunate that she had to loose her son (whom she tried killing though!) who has not understood her noble intentions. Maybe. Then some of the things seem to fall in place, from her end.

But then how are we going to justify her salute to Jodha? If she did not want to carry any debt, she would have stopped with retracting her bad dua and maybe, in the process make Jodha indebted by giving her a divine blessing. But why at all would she salute? Unless she is saluting her ability a.k.a. Rajvanshi ability to live up to any challenge??

And I cannot help wondering how the Hindu bandi survived till date with Jodha raising to power by the day.

The only explanation I have is, Ashwini or MA, whoever be it, make sure you salute Jodha before you go. And she had to do that formality as well hurriedly before her breath stopped. But, I wonder how Adham was not made to do this? Maybe that is why Jalal pushed him down the second time???? Or will Adham be made to appear in Jodha's dream later to state the same??

Whatever be it, my only consolation is that MA did not give a bad dua that she herself would be born as Jalal-Jodha's child and torture them away to her glory. She is merciful indeed!

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Sandhya my pet,

I am so glad that you are with me on this: I could hardly sit thru the episode. I was not looking forward to Jalal's weeping profusely, but I had not bargained for this wholesale whitewashing of pure, unrepentant, unashamed evil. Why, next to Mahaam, Lady Macbeth looks like a church choir girl!

Your @blue is perfect, but then, my poppet, Mahaam does NOT think she has wronged Jalal in any way. She does not apologise for anything she has done, and her accepting Jodha (as I had predicted on Khushi's thread) was not a change of heart, but an arrogant paying off of her debt to Jodha for having brought Jalal to her at long last.

Mahaam, in her passing, was exactly as my title makes her out to be, triumphant. Everyone has to die one day, but she made a far grander exit that poor Atgah, and that is what got my goat. Jalal wept over her far more than he did over Atgah, who lived and died for him. Such is life. The film was much, much better in this respect.

As for Jodha being glorified, I am by now inured to it. Now, I just want this mess to end soon. I agree, I could not have done a stand alone post on this episode in Dhwani, but see, I was so irritated by it that I had to put this up, here and in Khushi's thread as well!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Rashmi81

Will do def dear.

I think I have heard of Harris jayraj

Originally posted by: divyavm

Harris is very popular down South . He did the music for Rehna hai tere dil me and Force

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Jodha Akbar 334: Mahaam triomphatrix!

Yesternight - I caught the 11 pm repeat telecast and was pleased to see that some of my predictions of the day before (on Khushi's thread) had come right, which was a nice change!

1) Mahaam did NOT repent for anything she had done for which she had been caught and found guilty - neither the Atifa plot nor even the baddua. No question, therefore, of her confessing and seeking forgiveness for her hidden crimes, beginning with her serial killings of Jalal's unborn children. This was no whimpering, apologising weakling.

So there was no question of Jalal giving absolution to a "repenting mother". Sorry, Khushi dear !

It is another matter that Jalal, who is busy first reminiscing about his childhood with his badiammi and then weeping all over her, does not know about 90% of Mahaam's crimes against him and his family. I would have thought the Atifa track would have been bad enough, but apparently all is forgiven provided the criminal is clever enough to be dying. Still, I wonder what he would have done if he had read the whole catalogue of her crimes, beginning with the serial miscarriages.

Jodha of course would not acknowledge these crimes even if they stared her in the face, for she is now fixated on playing the angel of mercy and forgiveness.

2) Mahaam finally deigned to "accept" Jodha, and exactly as I had predicted, Jodha was all gratitude for that and overflowing with respect for the woman who had nearly got her husband assassinated, and had kept Chand Begum in harsh custody for decades out of sheer greed, and managed to drive her out of her mind. Jodha is not bothered now about any of that, for after all Chand Begum was not Mainavati. Or maybe she would have been as full of forgiveness even if it had been Mainavati!

3) Mahaam condescended to lift the baddua ( which seems to be like a purchase in a US department store, returnable at will ) not because she had changed her mind, but as a quid pro quo for Jodha having given her the great happiness of getting her Jalal to see her at long last. Now that too was interesting, and in character. I liked the fact that Mahaam kept her end up till the last.

It is another matter that the baddua, like a shraap in the Hindu tradition, apparently cannot be taken back, at least as per Shaguni Bai, and so Hasan and Hussein will have only very short lives, and Ruqaiya's hard own gains will be as dust and ashes.

4) Jalal wept enough to flood Agra, again as I had known he would. As for the rest of the grieving multitude, they seemed to be operating on the principle that all is forgiven to one who is dying.

The triad of principals - Jalal, who looked throughout like an undertaker's assistant (who is duty bound to look even more mournful than his boss the undertaker😉 ) and wept like a tap in full flow, a wailing Mahaam who pulled out all the stops and drowned Jalal in an ocean of treacle (it was noteworthy that she had now completely stopped coughing, and was able to deliver all those long lines without being short of breath! ) , and Jodha, properly tearful and secretly rejoicing that her "reverse psychology" had worked at last - all hammed away to glory.

The final lesson to be drawn from this display of unbridled emotionalism was that one need not spend one's whole life being loyal to the emperor, ending up by saving him even with your dying breath, as Atgah Khan did, to merit such a grief-filled farewell. Mahaam, by trumping Atgah effortlessly in this regard despite her endless crimes, proved that it is possible to fool at least some people all the time. Especially those like Jalal who, as I wrote yesterday, seems to be an emotional haemophiliac, bleeding all the time for the assurance that he was truly loved.

I don't know about you folks, but I was hard put to save myself from being drowned as well in this sea of facile sentimentality. Oof...!

Shyamala Aunty