Bakshi lies that it's a boy! Jashn bhandaphod in the offing? - Page 4

Originally posted by: surochitadutta

I have heard that babies after they come out of their mothers womb are very vulnerable and sensitive... The only person they recognise is their mother.. They Can only stay well in the familiar warmth of their mothers lap., they can only recognise their mothers touch... And it's only the mother who can understand her child's requirements from their antiques... If this is true then how come Jodha Jalal not understand this... Forget about HB should also know all these na then she should also object... No promise or Mahanta or any other thing for that matter should be important for parents than their child's wellbeing and both Jalal and Jodha should not give in to this demand of Ruku.. I will literally kill JJ if they give one of their child to his Jaan Begam... Mansi Di the very thought of this baby sharing is irritating... God knows how what are the creatives up to.. As much as I am fed up with Ruku I am also fed up of JaJo's Mahanta and generosity for Ruku... It has become nakabil -e- bardest for me now..

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

uq choose and why - it's worth pondering about!

When Ruq was having that conversation with the harem Begum about wives who have no children falling in their husband's esteem, one very important sentence was spoken by that harem Begum. She said "See how Jodha's estimation has gone up in Jalal's eyes as she's now carrying the waarises. IF ONE OF THEM IS A BOY, JODHA WILL BECOME THE MARIUM UZ ZAMANI!"

Aha, so there's a catch here. It appears as if there is conditionality attached to becoming the Marium Uz Zamani. The mother gets that title only if she produces the "male heir" to the throne. This sentence of the harem Begum slightly reduces the value of what Jalal told Jodha that even if his daughters were girls he would give them the throne. It seems to me now that the daughters themselves will have as much entitlement to the throne as their brothers may have. But the mother's MUZ audha is a different story entirely. The mother can become Marium Uz Zamani only if a male heir to the throne is produced.

So now we have an interesting conundrum here! What if both babies are girls. Will neither Jodha nor Ruq get the MUZ title even if Ruq takes one daughter as hers. And if there is no title to be got will Ruq not want one baby at all if both are girls?

If the twins are born as one boy and one girl, will Ruq grab the boy baby for the sake of the title, even if the girl baby is older to the boy by a few minutes?

If both the twins are boys, will Ruq take the first born boy who inherits the throne for the sake of the audha?

And what will happen if the first born boy is taken by Ruq for the claim to the audha of MUZ but that first born baby dies making the second born twin boy the next in line to the throne. Will Ruq then lose the MUZ position to Jodha?

Mansi, Amazing analysis, You nailed this scene, , Perfect, perfect, perfect,👏 👏

Originally posted by: deejagi

Mansi, that can happen but from where will they get a just born dead male baby so soon. All they can do is to announce that the baby has caught some infection and no one is allowed to visit the same till it gets better and meanwhile look out for a alternative. However the chances are low.

Further I think Sharif will get to know about the baby's gender and in his fury he may squeeze it hard which may stop its breathing or throw it roughly which may cause death. The moment he realizes the truth of killing the child, he may run away.

But how the hell Maham will be a alive for the next 6 months or so and how will she be able to kill Jodha's kids while she will be living in the dark jail? Does it mean Resham will still be serving her and may help her to kill the children or will that dark, isolated jail room also will have a surang which runs to Jodha's hojra? And why will Jodha not go to her maika for her first delivery?

Originally posted by: deejagi

Mansi, that can happen but from where will they get a just born dead male baby so soon. All they can do is to announce that the baby has caught some infection and no one is allowed to visit the same till it gets better and meanwhile look out for a alternative. However the chances are low.

Further I think Sharif will get to know about the baby's gender and in his fury he may squeeze it hard which may stop its breathing or throw it roughly which may cause death. The moment he realizes the truth of killing the child, he may run away.

But how the hell Maham will be a alive for the next 6 months or so and how will she be able to kill Jodha's kids while she will be living in the dark jail? Does it mean Resham will still be serving her and may help her to kill the children or will that dark, isolated jail room also will have a surang which runs to Jodha's hojra? And why will Jodha not go to her maika for her first delivery?

Originally posted by: MPMANU

Hi Mansi...good to see you back with full analysis. Yesterdays episode was a light and a happy one even with crazy ruks stupid plan. After going true that breakdown baksi's babies arrival is like a sunshine for Agra. JJ are back to normal. But even though Jalal was telling Jo about not taking stress, I just can't stop thinking about Atifa track. Better late than never. All their scenes where very nice throughout the epi. They where together when even in the crowd. They seemed inseparable. The happiness on Jalal face when taking the baby and the way Jodha playing with the baby later was worth watching. Bring laddoo, I guess is just an excuse to see the baby. Now there will naming ceremony soon. In Agra, Jashn is equivalent to disaster. So now Jo knows its a girl and she shared it with Salima begum and HB which is good. Lets see what happens.

Now Shariff and BB. When viewing them we should keep JJ aside because they are one unique pair whose thinking is beyond their era. The thing is man blames the woman for giving birth to girl baby but the truth is man are solely responsible in determining the gender of the child. Unfortunately there is no genetic studies those days but this issue does happens even today in some corner of world. The believe that boys are superior to girl is not something new. Shariff is a man who does not respect woman, thinks they are just commodity who satisfy his needs. He married only to be part of royal family and gain power by hook or crook. Him biting BB just before delivery and demanding for son must have terrified BB. What if she have said that i is a girl. Shariff with no heart may have killed the baby the very moment before anyone can do anything. So out of fear she lied. But she should not carried on, at least should have told the truth to HB, her mother. BB if a person who is not evil or think bad but the problem is she does not think at all. She only follows. She is selfish. She is does not have any self esteem or confidence in her to even to think that her thoughts is right. She is so used to it of being unhappy and never bothered to make effort to be happy. Sometimes i dont understand how can Agra inmates live under one roof but as strangers. Only HB, Salima and Jo are only people who seems to be living in a family. Others are like guest in hotel. Now regarding gender discrimination, I read a book, a biography of Saudi princess, title Princess written by Jean Sasson. This book gives an inside view on the emotions of woman in great detail. Ruks emotions also can some how be understandable. Possibility of Baksi switching baby is nil. And I think Baksi loves her child very much. I want to see at least a little strong Baksi due to her love for her child. I want her to think of her child's well being even if she wants to hate Jodha, I done mind coz Jalal is there with Jodha and that is the only thing Jodha wants.

Coming to Ruks, she is crazy like split personality. What trigger her insanity is the word MUZ. This word should be banned around ruks earshot. Its clear that she wants to share the twin children. But does ruks have the patients to wait until delivery of the babies to ask her wish. Does she have the brain to think what if the children are girls coz in Agra when one is pregnant it is assumed that it is waris, male. Only JJ are exception. She is short sighted person. Her plans always have jumbo size loopholes. I want Jalal to realise the intention of Ruks when she make the wish and she can be easily tricked too. I dont want Jalal act majboor or Jodha all sad but gives the child away. Let him out smart ruks. I dont like this baby being separated from mother when we know how responsible is Ruks or anyone in Agra. Another question is how can maham kill the babies being in jail? she needs outside and a perfect partner would be Ruks. Will Shariff join in too? We viewers going to be tortured by this mentally imbalanced people of Agra paagalkhana.

Originally posted by: skanda12

That's a very good possibility Jaya! This Sharif may himself cold-bloodely murder the baby girl after hearing that Bakshi told lies!

Even I can't fathom how Maham can be involved in the twins ddeath from her jail cell, unless it happens like this:

Ruq may ask her two wishes for baby and MUZ title. Salima may use her one wish to nullify Ruq's wishes. Angry Ruq may be used by maham to kill Jodha babies with some ark. Later maham will get caught and Maham may implicate Ruq also (as per Zee man's old theory!)

Originally posted by: peepu

Hi mansi
My detailed update will follow..somehow i feel this will lead to
1 rukku killing jodha and becoming muz
2.cheapu leaving .BB and she turns negative for jodha and cheapu flees.
3..BB plotting with rukku against Jo.
4.cheapu gets more psycho for Jo.
I'm liking this track they better do .NR of other chcharacters rather than JoJa

Originally posted by: deejagi

Mansi, when did Ruqu got 2 wishes pending? Do you mean to say the first wish he gave when she became pregnant?? I was under the impression she has only one wish in her folly and that was granted after their war with Nigar & Abul Mali.

And I don't think Ruqu will have anything to do with the death of kids. If so Jodha / Jalal would not have left Salim's welfare to Ruqu as I have heard he was close to Ruqu than Jodha.

But Maham was to die with in 2 months (rather 40 days) after Adham's deatha nd Jodha is still in her first trimester. So how will that be possible for Maham to harm the children? May be she will arrange through some one to feed some slow poison to Jodha which may affect the kids health and they may born with some illness which may not be able to cure by the Hakims.

Originally posted by: skanda12

Surochita, my mom is much better now though not back to 100% health.

Don't get me started on Ruq, I am completely fed up. I know that compared with maham and other hard core vamps Ruq is not like that. But nevertheless I hate triangular love stories so in my book Ruq has to go!