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Posted: 11 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: Ash1991

2 things r being mentioned time n again thay jodha might suffer a miscarriage n jalal should not be shown so weak...
I'm 100% sure dere won't be a MC situation might arise where the baby is in danger bt he will survive like it happens in every drama n secondly jalal shown weak I guess he is also a human despite being a warrior so he also deserves to hv a weak moment n once in life even the greatest warriors need sm kind of a boost to go forward n that is his human.side..he will bounce back with ful strength n determination...

Well said, Ash!👏👏👏👏👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
#62

Originally posted by: skanda12

Jaya, we feel she did it out of duty and not love, because she herself declares it is out of duty and not love!
That is what I mean when I say she is "reconciled to her position" of one who does out of duty and not love.

Mansi, a person who doesn't have love and only duty doesn't have to bite back the tears, just to show that he or she is not weak. Unless we care for some one, we doesn't try to show them we are brave
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Posted: 11 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: skanda12


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I think the vote for the best scene is unanimous ... everyone has loved this last scene of Jdha singing Jalal to sleep. It was a nice touch by the Creatives, na? Good, these last few episodes the creative quality seems a bit improved!


Oh, yes last some episode creatives and director did good job hope it will continue. And what about ruk she will remain same or back to square one.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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A very very good episode ... So much has changed... The ppl, the conditions and mostly the relationships... Jo-Jalal and Jalal-Ruku... Ruku and Jo still staying at the totally opposite poles like they were before, but the equation of their relationship with Jalal changed coz, he shifted his position from one pole (Ruku) to another (Jo)...while he was close to Ruku, his relationship with Jo was that of hatred and mistrust... and when he started loving Jo, his relationship with Ruku started neutralizing... this is called a change...

Mansi, yest after that last scene I smsed u saying, I love Ruku...it was not for sending him to Jo... but it was for the strength and maturity she showed...it was for the way she showed why she deserved to be the chief queen of Mughal Sultanat, all her life... it was for a wife in her who understands the need of her husband in that moment... It was for the woman in her who understands and accepts the limitations in her relationship with him...it was for the courage she shows , when he is shaken... it was for friend and guide, who stood up firmly for him...

Yes... Yest if Jo was the ultimate source of peace and love for him, Ruku was the perfect source of strength and support for him... And the moment demanded, that he needed both then...both Ruku and Jo complimented eachother, even without being with eachother... And I felt he is lucky to have both of them in his life...

Friends, look at him...where he has come since his marriage to Jo... there was a time, when he used to spend his night before war, or night before any political tour, only with Ruku... surely the equation btw them was different then... I don't think Ruku would have ever been able to show him that motherly love, coz then he never needed one...their relationship for such nights was purely on physical basis, and marking Ruku's position in his life... And now here he is... His needs have changed, and so has changed his need for the partner of the night before the war...

Another thing is, previously, when he fought all those war, it was for expanding his kingdom and showing his superiority to rest of world, and to leave his mark on that other world... He was not attached to anybody from that other world, nor emotionally, not with blood relation...now is the different case... here he is fighting for his own survival...if he refuses to fight, he will be dead along with those for whom he is a soul to live...the moment he will accept defeat, he will embrace death, but that death will be much painful... not coz he may have to suffer physically, but with his death, his loved ones may suffer assaults or may face death... and if he decides to fight and win , then to he has to defeat/kill his own blood...

Jalal stood at the crossroads... he is well aware that war is inevitable for him... That he is not allowed to give up without fight...that those of his subjects, his own ppl , and his love, has gr8 expectations from him , and all of them trust him to protect them, and then he just can't push them towards the end of their life... So he knows , come what may, next day he has to offer himself to the war, he doesn't want to happen...

What do we think? Even if Ruku wouldn't have come and asked him to go to Jo, where he would have gone? I m sure , it would have been Jo's arms, he would have found himself, coz now a days that seems to be the only destination, where he can find solace... So whether or not Ruku had been there that moment, Jalal would have gone to Jo when finally he would have found the loneliness unbearable even for a sec... it just that Ruku gave him that push a moment before... and Jalal just took on her advice , like he always took, word to word... And he got what he needed most...

We saw a diff ruku yest... I was not surprised, nor I think she has changed... But her FP has changed her relationship with him forever... She has lost her husband forever, a friend too... And now what remains btw them is a king and his first wife who is his rightful first queen... the queen who understands the importance of that position... And so she delivers the same strength that is needed from her that moment... yes... All the time after this war has been declared upon Jalal and agra ppl, Ruku has always stood upto that position of a chief queen, with ultimate strength, and decision making ability... She showed it while talking to Harem ladies, she showed it while putting aside MA's attempts to instigate the ladies, and that too with unspoken challenge that only MA could understand... Ruku showed her real self while talking to Jo, that right at that moment Jo wasn't her competitor, but love of the person, she loves and cares deep inside her heart... while she is in Agra palace, Ruku is a wife , a friend, a queen , a girl who wants to be loved by her husband...but right in that Warfield, she is queen for everybody else, and a friend and guide for Jalal... She lived to the right mark...

Guys, after her FP, Jalal has clearly said, that he knows that his BEK will never become MUZ now... Along with the fact that Ruku will never be able to conceive coz of that Dhatura Ark, he even gave her a clear indication that there will never be any relationship btw them except as a King and his Queen... And still, she feels jealous of Jo... It's quite natural... but all that jealousy, insecurity suddenly gone away, she stepped in the Warfield... here now she is just the chief queen, nothing else...

And what to say abt Jo? If she can understands insecurities of Ruku, then is it possible she doesn't understand Jalal's needs of the moment? He is afterall not just her husband, he has become her soul, the reason for her life... and so when he needed the solace , how can she not give it to him? It was really so touchy to see the gr8 ruler sleeping peacefully in her lap , after tiring fight with his innerself, totally unknown to the fact, that that time he was somewhat close to the dream he has always seen, and is now growing in her womb... What will be her condition in that moment? What she will be suffering then? She was like a bridge btw the father and the unborn child, who r unaware of eachother's presence, holding on to both of them for these two r the ppl who r have now become her entire universe... And just losing one of them will cause her death alongwith the death of other too... and still she managed to stay calm, and gave him the peace he needed... how much strong a woman can be?

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Need 1 confirmation is the sword in jodhas hand in the pix jalals cz it looks quite simular to jalal one in the promo??
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Posted: 11 years ago
#66

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

A very very good episode ... So much has changed... The ppl, the conditions and mostly the relationships... Jo-Jalal and Jalal-Ruku... Ruku and Jo still staying at the totally opposite poles like they were before, but the equation of their relationship with Jalal changed coz, he shifted his position from one pole (Ruku) to another (Jo)...while he was close to Ruku, his relationship with Jo was that of hatred and mistrust... and when he started loving Jo, his relationship with Ruku started neutralizing... this is called a change...

Mansi, yest after that last scene I smsed u saying, I love Ruku...it was not for sending him to Jo... but it was for the strength and maturity she showed...it was for the way she showed why she deserved to be the chief queen of Mughal Sultanat, all her life... it was for a wife in her who understands the need of her husband in that moment... It was for the woman in her who understands and accepts the limitations in her relationship with him...it was for the courage she shows , when he is shaken... it was for friend and guide, who stood up firmly for him...

Yes... Yest if Jo was the ultimate source of peace and love for him, Ruku was the perfect source of strength and support for him... And the moment demanded, that he needed both then...both Ruku and Jo complimented eachother, even without being with eachother... And I felt he is lucky to have both of them in his life...

Friends, look at him...where he has come since his marriage to Jo... there was a time, when he used to spend his night before war, or night before any political tour, only with Ruku... surely the equation btw them was different then... I don't think Ruku would have ever been able to show him that motherly love, coz then he never needed one...their relationship for such nights was purely on physical basis, and marking Ruku's position in his life... And now here he is... His needs have changed, and so has changed his need for the partner of the night before the war...

Another thing is, previously, when he fought all those war, it was for expanding his kingdom and showing his superiority to rest of world, and to leave his mark on that other world... He was not attached to anybody from that other world, nor emotionally, not with blood relation...now is the different case... here he is fighting for his own survival...if he refuses to fight, he will be dead along with those for whom he is a soul to live...the moment he will accept defeat, he will embrace death, but that death will be much painful... not coz he may have to suffer physically, but with his death, his loved ones may suffer assaults or may face death... and if he decides to fight and win , then to he has to defeat/kill his own blood...

Jalal stood at the crossroads... he is well aware that war is inevitable for him... That he is not allowed to give up without fight...that those of his subjects, his own ppl , and his love, has gr8 expectations from him , and all of them trust him to protect them, and then he just can't push them towards the end of their life... So he knows , come what may, next day he has to offer himself to the war, he doesn't want to happen...

What do we think? Even if Ruku wouldn't have come and asked him to go to Jo, where he would have gone? I m sure , it would have been Jo's arms, he would have found himself, coz now a days that seems to be the only destination, where he can find solace... So whether or not Ruku had been there that moment, Jalal would have gone to Jo when finally he would have found the loneliness unbearable even for a sec... it just that Ruku gave him that push a moment before... and Jalal just took on her advice , like he always took, word to word... And he got what he needed most...

We saw a diff ruku yest... I was not surprised, nor I think she has changed... But her FP has changed her relationship with him forever... She has lost her husband forever, a friend too... And now what remains btw them is a king and his first wife who is his rightful first queen... the queen who understands the importance of that position... And so she delivers the same strength that is needed from her that moment... yes... All the time after this war has been declared upon Jalal and agra ppl, Ruku has always stood upto that position of a chief queen, with ultimate strength, and decision making ability... She showed it while talking to Harem ladies, she showed it while putting aside MA's attempts to instigate the ladies, and that too with unspoken challenge that only MA could understand... Ruku showed her real self while talking to Jo, that right at that moment Jo wasn't her competitor, but love of the person, she loves and cares deep inside her heart... while she is in Agra palace, Ruku is a wife , a friend, a queen , a girl who wants to be loved by her husband...but right in that Warfield, she is queen for everybody else, and a friend and guide for Jalal... She lived to the right mark...

Guys, after her FP, Jalal has clearly said, that he knows that his BEK will never become MUZ now... Along with the fact that Ruku will never be able to conceive coz of that Dhatura Ark, he even gave her a clear indication that there will never be any relationship btw them except as a King and his Queen... And still, she feels jealous of Jo... It's quite natural... but all that jealousy, insecurity suddenly gone away, she stepped in the Warfield... here now she is just the chief queen, nothing else...

And what to say abt Jo? If she can understands insecurities of Ruku, then is it possible she doesn't understand Jalal's needs of the moment? He is afterall not just her husband, he has become her soul, the reason for her life... and so when he needed the solace , how can she not give it to him? It was really so touchy to see the gr8 ruler sleeping peacefully in her lap , after tiring fight with his innerself, totally unknown to the fact, that that time he was somewhat close to the dream he has always seen, and is now growing in her womb... What will be her condition in that moment? What she will be suffering then? She was like a bridge btw the father and the unborn child, who r unaware of eachother's presence, holding on to both of them for these two r the ppl who r have now become her entire universe... And just losing one of them will cause her death alongwith the death of other too... and still she managed to stay calm, and gave him the peace he needed... how much strong a woman can be?

Very lovely post Diksha! Loved reading it. We are both nearly on the same wavelength but just a little distance away from each other in opinions, I think. I also felt and wrote that Ruq knows after the FP that she can never be close to Jalal in the way Jodha is or even in the way she herself was before. But she can at least be the Queen. The only difference that I see it as "Ruq reconciling to being just a queen" whereas you have described it as something she is by nature at a time like this. That's a small difference. But anyway what matters is that Ruq now knows what she can be and where the line is drawn and she can be good at being that much that the relationship now allows.
I too loved the last scene, by the way. It brought a lump to my throat and as we exchanged SMSes we both were very affected by that scene, na?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skanda12

Very lovely post Diksha! Loved reading it. We are both nearly on the same wavelength but just a little distance away from each other in opinions, I think. I also felt and wrote that Ruq knows after the FP that she can never be close to Jalal in the way Jodha is or even in the way she herself was before. But she can at least be the Queen. The only difference that I see it as "Ruq reconciling to being just a queen" whereas you have described it as something she is by nature at a time like this. That's a small difference. But anyway what matters is that Ruq now knows what she can be and where the line is drawn and she can be good at being that much that the relationship now allows.
I too loved the last scene, by the way. It brought a lump to my throat and as we exchanged SMSes we both were very affected by that scene, na?



@red... if as u say, she reconciled to being just a queen, then she has to stay like this even after the war... and that i doubt highly... forget the war...just let her know abt Jo's preg, she will be shaken to core... yes, she will show care and concern for in absence of Jalal, that unborn baby will be the only memory of Jalal for her... but let the war get over, same old Ruku will be back ... what i want to see, if she continues to be the same Ruku then, then we can say she reconciled... else as i said... it's her nature... she delivers what is expected from her...

i m not saying, she needs to be vamp to Jo... but before Jo came to their life, Ruku was everything for Jalal, and now she is replaced by Jo... so her behavior is natural...i don't think, she has changed... right now she needed to be top queen, and she is just that... but once back to Agra palace, be sure, same audha queen will be back...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Mansi, I liked, Yesterday Episode.

Episode was contrast of duties +Emotions, Acting wise, everbody good performed.⭐️ ⭐️

I think, jalal was first Heart-less King, So he not thinks War -effects, But Now His Heart, Has waken-up, So he is facing, Heart+Mind conflicts.

Heart-says, Realtives, How can does this, How i will fight them Duty says, You are A king, Your responsibilty is to save-public, So vattiations, of conflicts, showed, clearly,

But after this War, jalal will reach a BLANCE, Ladder, which is necessary for everyone, but Especeilly, For a King this a necessary, So he will Learn Blance.So conflicts will be finished.

1, Jalal was seeing Mud, & recalling his Father, & BK, Naturally, As A Son, or As a King both were his supporters, But lack of both in his life, Emotionally, Lacking jalal, so he needs strenght, but his duty is to Console others,If we say he should behave A strong King,
He will behave War-field, strong, Better he is checking, own First, You can't check in War field.where you have to Fight.

2, In this Way, which things will become cause of defeat, that will be sort-out.

3, Jodha, gives energy To Jalal, try to light the atmosphere, She is Own, Facing, cause of pregnancey, Unhealthyness;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;But she is tackling a situation, Good, Way.

So as a queen, as a Wife, she is fulling her duties in a Right-way, she is becoming strenght of Jalal, which he needed this time. She not wants cause of her pregnancey Jalal energy will distract.

4, Liked TM, digging, underground, (KHAAI ) type, things, for women safty. My Mother told me,1971, war they hide in Khaaiys,

5,Ruk behaviour, showed change,

1, she is, Worring for Jodha, i think she wants, in War, if Begums will show, Conflicts,
jalal energy will be effected, Thats not Right, Time. This Time, Need to be Motivating, Jalal.

2, Jalal not noticed, Ruk coming, but she said You should sleep, Jodha Hozara Today,

(Jalal ans was great, i Undersatnd, its tough for, Female.)

Is Ruk now knows, Jalal now Thinks, HEART +Mind Both, so Jodha have idea to Blance HEART +Mind Both, Time Demanding this, Jalal should be blanced,?

1, so she said these words to jalal, because, First wars, jalal stops Ruk Hozara, but then both not thinks, War-effects, This time which people will Die, they are going to be Jalal realtives.
& Rul knows, tough for her, to Blance realtions, Ruk not understands Heart-Language, but now Jalal understands Heart +Mind Language. so jalal needed this time JODHA,

2, Is AK, will misuse, Secreat, passage, Way, or he will tell MC party that, Way, passage?

3, Sharrif;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;is planning, to Sit Agra Takht,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Dream karne mee kaya Harz Hee,😆 😆, but Bakshi is saying you are thinking RIGHT,

4, After seeing Maham;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;GHAR KAA BHEDi LANKA DHAAYE.😡 😡, she knows war is happening, but she hide that talk from jalal.


Last scene, mind blowing;

Liked, Jodha Jalal emotional closeness.

Jodha is saying, AAP kabbhi nahi Har sakte.⭐️ ⭐️

You are a Brave King, They want to Live PRESENT, MOVEMENT, Yes Life you can enjoy when you live in PRESENT,

Jodhu sings Lorry,

MY, Song;;

Bhaut Raat beeti, Chalo, mee sulo duu, pawan Ched, Sargam, mee Lori Suna duu, Thumhe dekh kar yee Khyal aaa rah hee, kee jese PHIRSATA, koyi soo rah hee.

Tumi mere Mandir tumhi meri pooza, tumhi deveta Hoo. (Jodhu singing for jalal )

Precap,

Jodhu is sending jalal for war, & Doing Arti.⭐️ ⭐️


Zindgi har kadam ekk nayi jang hee, Jeet Jyengege, humm tuu agar sang hee.

So Jalal is living with poistive peoples, who i s giving him energy, so we know Jalal will be win.😃









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Finally I got to read your post Mansi...😊. Was stuck in a conference...well still I am...😉

Lovely analysis for a lovely episode...😃

Loved your comments in green...

Last scene was indeed very touching and emotional...😊

Both JJ were superb today in all the scenes but this last scene was something special...❤️

The part when Jo says to her baby that he also must have heard the lori along with his father...brought tears in my eyes.
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Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Mansi, I liked, Yesterday Episode.


Episode was contrast of duties +Emotions, Acting wise, everbody good performed.⭐️ ⭐️

I think, jalal was first Heart-less King, So he not thinks War -effects, But Now His Heart, Has waken-up, So he is facing, Heart+Mind conflicts.

Heart-says, Realtives, How can does this, How i will fight them Duty says, You are A king, Your responsibilty is to save-public, So vattiations, of conflicts, showed, clearly,

But after this War, jalal will reach a BLANCE, Ladder, which is necessary for everyone, but Especeilly, For a King this a necessary, So he will Learn Blance.So conflicts will be finished.

1, Jalal was seeing Mud, & recalling his Father, & BK, Naturally, As A Son, or As a King both were his supporters, But lack of both in his life, Emotionally, Lacking jalal, so he needs strenght, but his duty is to Console others,If we say he should behave A strong King,
He will behave War-field, strong, Better he is checking, own First, You can't check in War field.where you have to Fight.

2, In this Way, which things will become cause of defeat, that will be sort-out.

3, Jodha, gives energy To Jalal, try to light the atmosphere, She is Own, Facing, cause of pregnancey, Unhealthyness;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;But she is tackling a situation, Good, Way.

So as a queen, as a Wife, she is fulling her duties in a Right-way, she is becoming strenght of Jalal, which he needed this time. She not wants cause of her pregnancey Jalal energy will distract.

4, Liked TM, digging, underground, (KHAAI ) type, things, for women safty. My Mother told me,1971, war they hide in Khaaiys,

5,Ruk behaviour, showed change,

1, she is, Worring for Jodha, i think she wants, in War, if Begums will show, Conflicts,
jalal energy will be effected, Thats not Right, Time. This Time, Need to be Motivating, Jalal.

2, Jalal not noticed, Ruk coming, but she said You should sleep, Jodha Hozara Today,

(Jalal ans was great, i Undersatnd, its tough for, Female.)

Is Ruk now knows, Jalal now Thinks, HEART +Mind Both, so Jodha have idea to Blance HEART +Mind Both, Time Demanding this, Jalal should be blanced,?

1, so she said these words to jalal, because, First wars, jalal stops Ruk Hozara, but then both not thinks, War-effects, This time which people will Die, they are going to be Jalal realtives.
& Rul knows, tough for her, to Blance realtions, Ruk not understands Heart-Language, but now Jalal understands Heart +Mind Language. so jalal needed this time JODHA,

2, Is AK, will misuse, Secreat, passage, Way, or he will tell MC party that, Way, passage?

3, Sharrif;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;is planning, to Sit Agra Takht,;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Dream karne mee kaya Harz Hee,😆 😆, but Bakshi is saying you are thinking RIGHT,

4, After seeing Maham;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;GHAR KAA BHEDi LANKA DHAAYE.😡 😡, she knows war is happening, but she hide that talk from jalal.


Last scene, mind blowing;

Liked, Jodha Jalal emotional closeness.

Jodha is saying, AAP kabbhi nahi Har sakte.⭐️ ⭐️

You are a Brave King, They want to Live PRESENT, MOVEMENT, Yes Life you can enjoy when you live in PRESENT,

Jodhu sings Lorry,

MY, Song;;

Bhaut Raat beeti, Chalo, mee sulo duu, pawan Ched, Sargam, mee Lori Suna duu, Thumhe dekh kar yee Khyal aaa rah hee, kee jese PHIRSATA, koyi soo rah hee.

Tumi mere Mandir tumhi meri pooza, tumhi deveta Hoo. (Jodhu singing for jalal )

Precap,

Jodhu is sending jalal for war, & Doing Arti.⭐️ ⭐️


Zindgi har kadam ekk nayi jang hee, Jeet Jyengege, humm tuu agar sang hee.

So Jalal is living with poistive peoples, who i s giving him energy, so we know Jalal will be win.😃









Ayushi, see this surang that Todarmal is digging ... he also told Adham he should be the in-charge of that surang? I think maham will use that surang to hide Chand begum. What do you think?

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