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Posted: 11 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Divya I am wondering if this a plan of Jalal and Todarmal. Only 2 things make me wonder this
The scene in Jalal's hojara where Jalal straight away without asking a single Q told Todarmal he doesn't believe he can do this. When Todarmal told everything to Jalal - Todarmal told Jalal now he has to find out the truth and go to root of it something like this. Jalal then said how do we go about this? Jalal will never trust Shehnaz over Todarmal.

In DEK Todarmal defended calmly but he did not look worried to me.

I wonder if we might get a fb where Jalal and Todarmal told Jodha all this and also Todarmal tell Jodha about meeting Zakira and the scar on Shehnaz's hand.

What if this is plot of Jalal and Todarmal to make Shehnaz believe she succeeded? Otherwise Shehnaz would have acted more crazy in DEK.

BTW Shehnaz looked worried when Hakim was asked to inspect her hand, only 2 persons could have got Hakim to say this was water burn - MA or Jalal/Todarmal.

If Shehnaz believes she succeeded then easier to find out her truth.

When Jalal on proof sent Zakira to jail - why did when Hakim said the burn was due to water - not announce anything but asked for 1 day to decide. Trying to take a positive spin on this ME!

What does Zee think THIS was Nari Shakti vijay!!!!!



I hope what u described about JA JO TM working together is true. Really really hope but dioubtful yaar...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42
Jodha's and Zee's positioning that what they showed today was to show how women need to stand up for themselves and have a voice ... But, I have always believed that the right cause and justice was above gender. Women's rights is a part and parcel of human rights.
True!😊

It was difficult to see Jodha defend Shehnaaz with strongest of dialogues, go against Jalal, and not waver once seeing Jalal's conviction and belief in Todarmal. However, it was circumstances and the CVs that made Jodha in the wrong today ... Yes, she did not have to be that strong in her defense ... But she is allowed to make this mistake given circumstances.
No... there is still a difference, right? When Jalal blamed Jodha he did so after nearly three weeks and many influences like (MA, her meeting with Sujamal, Jodha lying etc)here, Jodha has only seen TM and Shenu once..😕
Jalal also once doubted Jodha's character given circumstances ... And then many, including me, understood his circumstances but did not agree with his impulsive anger. Similarly, I think it is only fair we give Jodha some slack ... She is a victim of circumstances and Shehnaaz's plotting. The only question is why does she trust Shehnaaz so much?
Jalal questioned Jodha inside her hojra. Here it was a DEK, so it didn't make sense for Jo to behave that way.😕
One more thing, there is no point that we keep falling back on what'd happened between the two. After the Ben incident we thought all MUs were to be put to rest. Then, it was the Sujamal incident. There needs to be a line drawn where the couple don't keep regressing...

However, just as the key was Jalal has always learned from his mistakes ... my only ray of hope is that Jodha learns from her mistakes as well through this track. This is not the first time she has misjudged character- remember Sharifuddhin? So, let's hope for the best or I see no reason why she was vehemently shown to defend Shehnaaz and attack Todarmal today.
This is where I have no hope, Divi... she has never and I doubt if she will ever accept she's done faults too. She is quick to forgive others no doubt, but she never seems to think she has faults. The contrast becomes even more evident when Jalal keeps apologizing for every line, word and deed.

While today was not Jodha's day, I felt Jalal and Todarmal stood out today and that is what my take 5 will focus on:

(1) Jalal-Todarmal-Atgah talk politics: I was glad Jalal could talk about something beyond babies and flirting ... He not only won a war but also discussed the taxes issue with Todarmal. I am glad he had not forgotten about these issues,
Again, with Maan Singh's victory, it was nice to see the rise of another Navratan.
And our other navaratan, Rahim was super cute today.
I would still prefer a couple of episodes without Akdha in it.. the pair and their scenes are becoming quite boring now... which couple keeps sleeping on laps and doing oil massages on a daily basis..
I would rather just have 1-2 akdha scenes a week but with QUALITY in it!
(2) In the Jodha-Jalal interactions, the romance was sweet but the same as usual. But, I liked Jodha recognizing how Jalal's goodness made him choose the right people on his court ... As this is always what I said, Jalal did take advice and was supported by people ... But it was his goodness that he recognized the right people for the right things.
The problem was Jodha forgot Jalal's sense of judgement later in the episode.

(3) Jalal trusted Todarmal ... Continues to be a testament of his good sense of judgement and hats off to Jalal for trusting Todamal
And he rightly asked Todarmal, why he didn't tell him before. But mistakes make you human.
Small mercies.. I genuinely hope Jalal doesn't go into his usual 'Jodha was always right' wide grin once all this is over and that he tells her sternly 'That she was wrong and that she is capable of committing mistakes too'
When audience are rubbed with 'Someone is right' 'Someone is right' 'Someone is right' mantra ALL the time, it can get quite tedious... at this point, even smaller faults start looking bigger. This is what's happening with Jodha's character (and that of most serial heroines) they are always portrayed like even their follies were done with the best of intentions and that at the end of the day, their sacrifices are the most glorious. It's not the case always. Sometimes it helps to not do something assuming you alone know what's right for others...😕

(4) Jalal held his own in front of Jodha: I am glad Jalal held his own in front of Jodha when he knew he was in the right ... Both in their personal interaction as well as the DEK where he gave Todarmal openings to defend himself.
I wish this continues AT the end of the track and AFTERWARDS too.. I would also like him to hold his own when he expresses a desire to be intimate with her... I mean how sexy is a man who knows how to be assertive (not authoritative) about his wants...he looks so bleugh always begging her to spend some time with him. I mean who's the emperor? Who's busier? And isn't Jodha that one who's got competition in the department of vying for Jalal's attention? Then, why is Jalal always yearning for her - DEK, Atgah discussions whatever! And she constantly smiling away or running away or choosing distractions (like MB or Rahim) over Jalal? 😕
(5) Todarmal continues to give himself a strong defense ... And I love his continued composure and logic in difficult times. Hence, he would be the Navratan that he was. After all, gold glistens when under fire.
He is the only one worth watching in the entire serial now.. 👏
Let's see how it plays out ... After all Shehnaaz will end up losing in the end of the day and we will see Jalal and Todarmal coming out stronger for this ... And hopefully, Jodha as well!

Edited by lashy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: adianasr

Divya, one point that strikes me - Jodha has seem the burn wound on Shenu's hand before and would know if there is a change in the wound would she not???? So if Shenu has deliberately burnt her hand with hot water to protect herself, Jodha shd know the difference in the earlier burn and what the burn is now shd she not????

This makes me stop to think - perhaps rt. from the questioning of Zakira this may have been a planned enterprise - yes I know I am being too optimistic (they call it Micawberian optimism after the character of Mr. Micawber from David Copperfield) - and our CVs do not have the capacity for this - but for a moment if we think - Zee has made this episode a stand on women empowerment - would they play with something as serious as rape????

All we saw in the earlier epi of thursday was that Jalal mentions to Jodha of Zakira knowing about poisons and both are shown serious and thinking and it cuts to DEK for Zakira's questioning - so what if Jalal says that Zakira's bg makes her the perfect pawn for such an accusation and adds that if we call her for questioning we will definitely find the bottle of poison in her room thus making her the fall guy by the real culprit - and as it is these 2 had zeroed in on 3 ppl - Moti, Zakira and Shehnaaz - and since Moti has been around too long and all her antecedents known so the remaining 2 become main suspects - and Zakira's knowledge of poisons automatically makes her suspect and thus perfectly placed to be used as a pawn - so maybe just maybe Jalal gets Jodha and Atgha and TM on to this mode of enquiry - as Jodha said TM took permission to enquire Moti and Zakira from Jalal so when Jodha asks if he did so for Shenu - Jalal keeps mum - but silence does not mean yes all the time (mounam samadam is not an eternal reality) - infact even in the Jalal TM convo we only see Jalal saying why did you no tell me this - we do not know what it was that TM did not tell Jalal.

All in all, I am going to wait till monday - but I will say this Jodha does need to learn the lesson of her own limitations.

Though a clarification...jodha had not seen the burns, she had seen them covered by a bandage when she asked shenaz what happned...and then shanaz said she burned her hands with water!!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#44
Hey Divya,
I did not watch the epi..no courage to do so and i am so glad i did not after reading your post and some of other comments. I only want to see Jalal Todarmal interaction and Jalal apparently taking a stand against Jodha and Shenaaz. But i will skip that too because i cannot handle this Jodha.

I am seriously shocked that both CV's and ZEE call this Jash-e -Jeet. Jeet of evil against good?

Are the writers of this show doing this on purpose, trying to destroy the show. I mean its basic common sense what they are showing and promoting are completely different.



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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hey Guys - will not be able to respond to posts individually for a while so a few points ...
- I am not saying Jodha is right ... She has fallen to circumstances and her anger and josh has gotten the better of her
- Why I am not livid yet is I am finally excited that the CVs are showing Jodha able to make a mistake after all the tracks where Jalal and Ruqs were shown making mistakes
- This excitement hinges on a hope she will learn from her mistake ... That is why I am waiting and watching .. Or else I am not sure why the CVs would show her so much in the wrong
- . If the CVs still show her as a murthi of perfection than that is the end of my excitement
- After all they did show her apologizing at the end of the Separation track ... That being said , I also agree she totally forgot about her side of the mistake when talking about Gangaur

And , Zee totally mis-positioned nari shakti ... Because it never comes at the cost of the honor and dignity of other humans, e.g., men. Women rights cannot come at the cost of human rights.



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Posted: 11 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: adianasr

Tabi, I am not bothered if Jodha is not in on the investigation - as long as we see Jalal's mind working on these lines with TM and Atgha - and since Jalal also knows that MA can go to any lengths to malign and harm Jodha he may have been suspecting her all along when this Shenu window comes before him - so lets see how he plans to untangle this knot within 24 hrs before the next DEK - becoz he will, since he not just trusts TM, he has total faith in TM's character and integrity.




Agreed Jalal totally trusts Todarmal which is a feather in his cap
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: adianasr


@bold, Divya I think we all do want Jodha to learn the lesson of her limitations - its about time.



Yes, And if the CVs showed Jodha so strongly in the wrong, I hope this is the only reason why
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: SindhuMenon



I am with you Divya here. just cannot see JA & Jo as two. I always see them as one..Kya karein..



The CVs love to pit JoJa against each other
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: adianasr

Tabi, the new promo only has Jodha saying Shenu is here to take revenge - it is Shenu who gives the reasons not Jodha - and Jalal already suspects Shenu since he believes TM.

Jodha seems as surprised with Shenu's reasons as Jalal is.



Yes, the promo says nothing that Jodha will save Jalal or solve this track
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Posted: 11 years ago
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